kevenv wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 4:44 am

ATC2B wrote: ↑Sat Apr 02, 2022 6:54 pm
I wonder if there's a serious need to get people into training asap and not enough capacity to pull people from the beginning (ie time to have people come in and do FEAST) that might be why your FEAST score is now good for an interview when it wasn't before... just pure speculation

QM ACC did 2 weeks of FEAST testing recently. I was told that some days only 3 of the 10 that were scheduled actually showed up.

vultajolma wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:20 pm

sk1996 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:05 pm
Interesting. When I was signing up for my interview they went into late April. Please let me know if you hear anything.

I have no issues with waiting (already have waited 3 years) its just I don't want to pay money for certifcations and courses for my current career if I would stop halfway to switch into ATC training.

From what others have said though even if we are successful at every step of the way the earliest our training would start is likely after September 2022 so I'll probably do another semester of school regardless.

I doubt we will hear anything until all the interviews are over, good to know we will have to wait until May, when I did my interview the HR rep told me I would hear back in early April, but seems like that has changed now.

Agreed on Sept/Oct 2022 start dates. Personally I am likely to decline, especially given the fact I would lose my mortgage due to the massive paycut and being on probation the whole time. I am sure I am not the only one who has landed a good job in the last two years during the training hiatus so I think its a good idea for NAVCAN to increase the number of interviews and testing periods.

atcguy98 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 2:44 pm I just received an invite to an in-person test which I was super excited about - until I saw that it's next week. Unfortunately, I don't think I can attend unless I take a day off of work but we're super busy at the moment, and even if I did the stress of this busy period would probably hamper my performance.

I was hoping to get some clarification if anyone is more familiar:
1) Is it reasonable to assume that because in my email they said something along the lines of "we had a few extra spots so we decided to invite you" on such short notice, it would mean that I was probably below the online test cut-off for the "normal" invites, and they just happened to invite me as well since they had extra space? If I don't take it, do you think that there is a low chance I will get invited later on as well because this time it just seems that I was lucky to not have others who scored better than me attend?
2) Does anyone know when the next set of these in-person tests (specifically YYZ) would be, and if these in-person tests run on Saturdays/Sundays or only on weekdays?

atcguy98 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 2:44 pm I just received an invite to an in-person test which I was super excited about - until I saw that it's next week. Unfortunately, I don't think I can attend unless I take a day off of work but we're super busy at the moment, and even if I did the stress of this busy period would probably hamper my performance.

I was hoping to get some clarification if anyone is more familiar:
1) Is it reasonable to assume that because in my email they said something along the lines of "we had a few extra spots so we decided to invite you" on such short notice, it would mean that I was probably below the online test cut-off for the "normal" invites, and they just happened to invite me as well since they had extra space? If I don't take it, do you think that there is a low chance I will get invited later on as well because this time it just seems that I was lucky to not have others who scored better than me attend?
2) Does anyone know when the next set of these in-person tests (specifically YYZ) would be, and if these in-person tests run on Saturdays/Sundays or only on weekdays?

M1bmx wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 4:02 pm

atcguy98 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 2:44 pm I just received an invite to an in-person test which I was super excited about - until I saw that it's next week. Unfortunately, I don't think I can attend unless I take a day off of work but we're super busy at the moment, and even if I did the stress of this busy period would probably hamper my performance.

I was hoping to get some clarification if anyone is more familiar:
1) Is it reasonable to assume that because in my email they said something along the lines of "we had a few extra spots so we decided to invite you" on such short notice, it would mean that I was probably below the online test cut-off for the "normal" invites, and they just happened to invite me as well since they had extra space? If I don't take it, do you think that there is a low chance I will get invited later on as well because this time it just seems that I was lucky to not have others who scored better than me attend?
2) Does anyone know when the next set of these in-person tests (specifically YYZ) would be, and if these in-person tests run on Saturdays/Sundays or only on weekdays?

1. That's probably a good assumption. When I did my test I was told they were doing a lot of hiring this year, plus they may be having an issue with no-shows, so they've expanded eligibility.
I have no idea if you'll get invited later but, if I were you, I would see it as an opportunity and take it.
2. At the FIR I applied to, they have two intakes per year. I would assume this means they only test twice per year. When I signed up I didn't see any weekend testing.

atcguy98 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 4:23 pm

M1bmx wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 4:02 pm

atcguy98 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 2:44 pm I just received an invite to an in-person test which I was super excited about - until I saw that it's next week. Unfortunately, I don't think I can attend unless I take a day off of work but we're super busy at the moment, and even if I did the stress of this busy period would probably hamper my performance.

I was hoping to get some clarification if anyone is more familiar:
1) Is it reasonable to assume that because in my email they said something along the lines of "we had a few extra spots so we decided to invite you" on such short notice, it would mean that I was probably below the online test cut-off for the "normal" invites, and they just happened to invite me as well since they had extra space? If I don't take it, do you think that there is a low chance I will get invited later on as well because this time it just seems that I was lucky to not have others who scored better than me attend?
2) Does anyone know when the next set of these in-person tests (specifically YYZ) would be, and if these in-person tests run on Saturdays/Sundays or only on weekdays?

1. That's probably a good assumption. When I did my test I was told they were doing a lot of hiring this year, plus they may be having an issue with no-shows, so they've expanded eligibility.
I have no idea if you'll get invited later but, if I were you, I would see it as an opportunity and take it.
2. At the FIR I applied to, they have two intakes per year. I would assume this means they only test twice per year. When I signed up I didn't see any weekend testing.

Thanks, seeing that answer to 1) really sucks considering that I can't really take the opportunity, but I appreciate you confirming my suspicion. I may try to get out of work on one of the 2 days which were available but it's not looking like that will be possible.

yoshi91 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 7:16 pm I’m assuming the invite is for FEAST. In my opinion you should go, is one day off work worth it to have a shot at an amazing career? If you’re that concerned about not being in the right mindset, take off the day before too. That’s what I’d do.

I’ve heard about multiple FIRs having no-shows to FEAST. I’d take your invite as a win and attend.

sk1996 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 7:06 pm

atcguy98 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 4:23 pm

M1bmx wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 4:02 pm

1. That's probably a good assumption. When I did my test I was told they were doing a lot of hiring this year, plus they may be having an issue with no-shows, so they've expanded eligibility.
I have no idea if you'll get invited later but, if I were you, I would see it as an opportunity and take it.
2. At the FIR I applied to, they have two intakes per year. I would assume this means they only test twice per year. When I signed up I didn't see any weekend testing.

Thanks, seeing that answer to 1) really sucks considering that I can't really take the opportunity, but I appreciate you confirming my suspicion. I may try to get out of work on one of the 2 days which were available but it's not looking like that will be possible.

This is for YYZ right? May I ask when you interviewed / how long after the interview they offered you the spot?

yoshi91 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 7:16 pm I’m assuming the invite is for FEAST. In my opinion you should go, is one day off work worth it to have a shot at an amazing career? If you’re that concerned about not being in the right mindset, take off the day before too. That’s what I’d do.

I’ve heard about multiple FIRs having no-shows to FEAST. I’d take your invite as a win and attend.

atcguy98 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 7:49 pm

sk1996 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 7:06 pm

atcguy98 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 4:23 pm

Thanks, seeing that answer to 1) really sucks considering that I can't really take the opportunity, but I appreciate you confirming my suspicion. I may try to get out of work on one of the 2 days which were available but it's not looking like that will be possible.

This is for YYZ right? May I ask when you interviewed / how long after the interview they offered you the spot?

Oh looks like I misunderstood sorry

This isn't regarding an interview, it's about the in-person test (FEAST) after the online test.

sk1996 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 9:03 am
Just so you know you won't lose your mortgage as long as you keep up your payments. Now the feasibility of that with a pay cut is a different issue.

I'm juggling the decision right now, I genuinley think this is a job that I would enjoy compared to what I am doing now/will be doing in the future. I'm willing to take a pay cut for that. I also don't really care about the money. It's more so just feeling as though I am actually doing something worthwhile.

kevenv wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 4:02 am

vultajolma wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:20 pm Personally I am likely to decline, especially given the fact I would lose my mortgage due to the massive paycut and being on probation the whole time.

Once you have a mortgage banks don't keep checking to see how much you make, calling in the mortgage if you have a change of circumstances. So long as you keep up the payments they don't care that you changed jobs or took a pay cut. Now come renewal you might have an issue....

vultajolma wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 12:36 am

sk1996 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 9:03 am
Just so you know you won't lose your mortgage as long as you keep up your payments. Now the feasibility of that with a pay cut is a different issue.

I'm juggling the decision right now, I genuinley think this is a job that I would enjoy compared to what I am doing now/will be doing in the future. I'm willing to take a pay cut for that. I also don't really care about the money. It's more so just feeling as though I am actually doing something worthwhile.

kevenv wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 4:02 am

vultajolma wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:20 pm Personally I am likely to decline, especially given the fact I would lose my mortgage due to the massive paycut and being on probation the whole time.

Once you have a mortgage banks don't keep checking to see how much you make, calling in the mortgage if you have a change of circumstances. So long as you keep up the payments they don't care that you changed jobs or took a pay cut. Now come renewal you might have an issue....

Unfortunately I went with a private lender and my renewal is coming up this year, maybe I will able to bypass it if the timing is right, renewal is over the summer so I might be able to to trick them. But the bigger issue is my mortgage would be like 2/3 of my monthly income @ 48K/year which is not ideal.

I agree this is something I would want to try and worth living frugally for a while but alot of things have to go right for me, I definitely wont take any VFR/FSS offers, only IFR in the YYZ region which is pretty narrow.

Good luck on your interview by the way!

naribari wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 3:54 pm

kevenv wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 4:44 am

ATC2B wrote: ↑Sat Apr 02, 2022 6:54 pm
I wonder if there's a serious need to get people into training asap and not enough capacity to pull people from the beginning (ie time to have people come in and do FEAST) that might be why your FEAST score is now good for an interview when it wasn't before... just pure speculation

QM ACC did 2 weeks of FEAST testing recently. I was told that some days only 3 of the 10 that were scheduled actually showed up.

This was my experience during my FEAST test as well. Not only that, everyone other than me seemed to be over the age of 30 meaning they were probably applying for FSS anyway.

sk1996 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 9:26 am

vultajolma wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 12:36 am

sk1996 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 9:03 am
Just so you know you won't lose your mortgage as long as you keep up your payments. Now the feasibility of that with a pay cut is a different issue.

I'm juggling the decision right now, I genuinley think this is a job that I would enjoy compared to what I am doing now/will be doing in the future. I'm willing to take a pay cut for that. I also don't really care about the money. It's more so just feeling as though I am actually doing something worthwhile.

kevenv wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 4:02 am

Once you have a mortgage banks don't keep checking to see how much you make, calling in the mortgage if you have a change of circumstances. So long as you keep up the payments they don't care that you changed jobs or took a pay cut. Now come renewal you might have an issue....

Unfortunately I went with a private lender and my renewal is coming up this year, maybe I will able to bypass it if the timing is right, renewal is over the summer so I might be able to to trick them. But the bigger issue is my mortgage would be like 2/3 of my monthly income @ 48K/year which is not ideal.

I agree this is something I would want to try and worth living frugally for a while but alot of things have to go right for me, I definitely wont take any VFR/FSS offers, only IFR in the YYZ region which is pretty narrow.

Good luck on your interview by the way!

Isn’t vfr and ifr similarly paid?

Thank you! I think I’ll be fine. May have over prepped a bit even haha

kashep wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 9:34 am

naribari wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 3:54 pm

kevenv wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 4:44 am


QM ACC did 2 weeks of FEAST testing recently. I was told that some days only 3 of the 10 that were scheduled actually showed up.

This was my experience during my FEAST test as well. Not only that, everyone other than me seemed to be over the age of 30 meaning they were probably applying for FSS anyway.

Just curious, how does over 30 have anything to do with FSS? There are people of all ages in all streams.

naribari wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 11:41 am

kashep wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 9:34 am

naribari wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 3:54 pm

This was my experience during my FEAST test as well. Not only that, everyone other than me seemed to be over the age of 30 meaning they were probably applying for FSS anyway.

Just curious, how does over 30 have anything to do with FSS? There are people of all ages in all streams.

"Be age 30 or under (on the closing date of the application period)"
https://www.faa.gov/levelup

The American version of ATC is a lot more harsh in this regard, but the reality is true in NAVcan as well.

viewtopic.php?t=66366

This old thread shows the attitudes and policies.
To be honest, before going in this forum, it was my belief that the 30 years old cut off was explicit for ATC. I was sure I had read it, but now I can't find it. Whatever the case, the attitude is there, the imperative is there, the counterpart does it explicitly, old people fail more often in training and are less intellectually agile in general. Personally, I'm under 30 and I'm still feeling bad about my age because I'm not 22 which I feel is probably the optimal age they're looking for.

Obviously NAVCAN isn't hiring 55 years olds to train them for ATC. Are they hiring 45 year olds? What about 35 year olds?
If the hiring selection looks like a bell curve, it's a bad sign for over 30s. I've done training for a few other jobs, in every single one of them the over 40s struggle to keep up. Obviously this isn't an environment where they got extensively tested like NAVCAN does, but the concerns are still there.

Edit: If someone is really motivated to know, they could always ATIP navcan.

sk1996 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 9:26 am
Isn’t vfr and ifr similarly paid?

Thank you! I think I’ll be fine. May have over prepped a bit even haha

naribari wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 11:41 am Are they hiring 45 year olds? What about 35 year olds?

evilgravy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:55 pm

naribari wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 11:41 am

kashep wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 9:34 am

Just curious, how does over 30 have anything to do with FSS? There are people of all ages in all streams.

"Be age 30 or under (on the closing date of the application period)"
https://www.faa.gov/levelup

The American version of ATC is a lot more harsh in this regard, but the reality is true in NAVcan as well.

viewtopic.php?t=66366

This old thread shows the attitudes and policies.
To be honest, before going in this forum, it was my belief that the 30 years old cut off was explicit for ATC. I was sure I had read it, but now I can't find it. Whatever the case, the attitude is there, the imperative is there, the counterpart does it explicitly, old people fail more often in training and are less intellectually agile in general. Personally, I'm under 30 and I'm still feeling bad about my age because I'm not 22 which I feel is probably the optimal age they're looking for.

Obviously NAVCAN isn't hiring 55 years olds to train them for ATC. Are they hiring 45 year olds? What about 35 year olds?
If the hiring selection looks like a bell curve, it's a bad sign for over 30s. I've done training for a few other jobs, in every single one of them the over 40s struggle to keep up. Obviously this isn't an environment where they got extensively tested like NAVCAN does, but the concerns are still there.

Edit: If someone is really motivated to know, they could always ATIP navcan.

I received 2 FSS offers last year (I declined both). I was 45. I noted my preference was IFR throughout the process.

naribari wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 11:41 am

kashep wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 9:34 am

naribari wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 3:54 pm

This was my experience during my FEAST test as well. Not only that, everyone other than me seemed to be over the age of 30 meaning they were probably applying for FSS anyway.

Just curious, how does over 30 have anything to do with FSS? There are people of all ages in all streams.

"Be age 30 or under (on the closing date of the application period)"
https://www.faa.gov/levelup

The American version of ATC is a lot more harsh in this regard, but the reality is true in NAVcan as well.

viewtopic.php?t=66366

This old thread shows the attitudes and policies.
To be honest, before going in this forum, it was my belief that the 30 years old cut off was explicit for ATC. I was sure I had read it, but now I can't find it. Whatever the case, the attitude is there, the imperative is there, the counterpart does it explicitly, old people fail more often in training and are less intellectually agile in general. Personally, I'm under 30 and I'm still feeling bad about my age because I'm not 22 which I feel is probably the optimal age they're looking for.

Obviously NAVCAN isn't hiring 55 years olds to train them for ATC. Are they hiring 45 year olds? What about 35 year olds?
If the hiring selection looks like a bell curve, it's a bad sign for over 30s. I've done training for a few other jobs, in every single one of them the over 40s struggle to keep up. Obviously this isn't an environment where they got extensively tested like NAVCAN does, but the concerns are still there.

Edit: If someone is really motivated to know, they could always ATIP navcan.

naribari wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 12:22 am

evilgravy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:55 pm

naribari wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 11:41 am

"Be age 30 or under (on the closing date of the application period)"
https://www.faa.gov/levelup

The American version of ATC is a lot more harsh in this regard, but the reality is true in NAVcan as well.

viewtopic.php?t=66366

This old thread shows the attitudes and policies.
To be honest, before going in this forum, it was my belief that the 30 years old cut off was explicit for ATC. I was sure I had read it, but now I can't find it. Whatever the case, the attitude is there, the imperative is there, the counterpart does it explicitly, old people fail more often in training and are less intellectually agile in general. Personally, I'm under 30 and I'm still feeling bad about my age because I'm not 22 which I feel is probably the optimal age they're looking for.

Obviously NAVCAN isn't hiring 55 years olds to train them for ATC. Are they hiring 45 year olds? What about 35 year olds?
If the hiring selection looks like a bell curve, it's a bad sign for over 30s. I've done training for a few other jobs, in every single one of them the over 40s struggle to keep up. Obviously this isn't an environment where they got extensively tested like NAVCAN does, but the concerns are still there.

Edit: If someone is really motivated to know, they could always ATIP navcan.

I received 2 FSS offers last year (I declined both). I was 45. I noted my preference was IFR throughout the process.

Are you going to try for ATC again? What's your outlook?

naribari wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 11:41 am "Be age 30 or under (on the closing date of the application period)"

https://www.faa.gov/levelup

The American version of ATC is a lot more harsh in this regard, but the reality is true in NAVcan as well.

viewtopic.php?t=66366

kevenv wrote: ↑Sun Apr 03, 2022 4:44 am

ATC2B wrote: ↑Sat Apr 02, 2022 6:54 pm
I wonder if there's a serious need to get people into training asap and not enough capacity to pull people from the beginning (ie time to have people come in and do FEAST) that might be why your FEAST score is now good for an interview when it wasn't before... just pure speculation

QM ACC did 2 weeks of FEAST testing recently. I was told that some days only 3 of the 10 that were scheduled actually showed up.