How long until you hear back from AC?

[Cavalier44]

What exactly is this medical done by AC? Extra stuff on top of class 1 you do?

Pretty similar to a standard Cat 1 medical, however, there are a few additions. They will draw blood for various blood tests (complete blood count, glucose levels, cholesterol, etc. - pretty standard stuff). You will also complete an audiogram, as well as an EKG, whether you're due for one or not. The rest is all standard stuff as far as I can remember.

[Blueontop]

What exactly is this medical done by AC? Extra stuff on top of class 1 you do?

Pretty similar to a standard Cat 1 medical, however, there are a few additions. They will draw blood for various blood tests (complete blood count, glucose levels, cholesterol, etc. - pretty standard stuff). You will also complete an audiogram, as well as an EKG, whether you're due for one or not. The rest is all standard stuff as far as I can remember.

Don’t forget the drugs

[rooster]

Not my pain, my co workers who have a written agreement to fill 60% of the grounds schools and were bypassed for many OTS pilots who will now be senior to every one of them.
So, AC decides to fill a few ground schools with Jazz pilots who should have been there in the first place and some of you get bent out of shape over it. If AC honoured the agreement properly, there would have been far less OTS positions available in the first place.

Please explain to me where and how in the world have you seen that me or the other guy got bent out of shape?

When all we did is explain our situations and get some insight on the process.

Man i get that your frustrated more than 99% of the forum due to a beautiful PFO or not being call since your at jazz.

But stop that shit man, your not on the right radial right now. Don"t be frustrated. #smile

Hey man,
It’s pretty hard to decipher typed intent however there are words that when added to the end of a statement of fact have meaning.
When you say, “ I guess it'll go to the 12th week mark due to Jazz filling classes up for october and november apparently.”
You can hear the frustration about it dragging on and the it could end at November but the poster adds, “apparently”, you can literally see their eyes roll at the fact the Jazz pilots are filling up the courses and delaying his entitlement to a sooner course.
If this poster could unequivocally state he/she is not frustrated at that, I’ll apologize.
As for my supposed PFO, sure I would have loved to give up my top scale defined benefit package for the BOTL shit pay and “apparently” crappy lifestyle contract, sounds like something a guy with 30 years of flying and 10 years left for retirement would give up. Did you hear the sarcasm, if not, it was extreme and laden with multiple eye rolls!
One last thing, a common theme from candidates who do pass the interview and are being considered for employment is, the background check is immediate, like same day or next day with references being called just before an acceptance. If you haven’t been asked for a background check yet, I would move on with your life, the PFO is in the mail.

In all fairness, I didn't detect a lick of entitlement in either of their posts. If, as you say it's hard to decipher, wouldn't you rather give the benefit of the doubt or would you rather go on the offensive and attack? I guess you already answered that but just food for thought is all. You can be quite combative in a lot of your posts and I don't see the merit in any of it. Chill.

[cdnavater]

Please explain to me where and how in the world have you seen that me or the other guy got bent out of shape?

When all we did is explain our situations and get some insight on the process.

Man i get that your frustrated more than 99% of the forum due to a beautiful PFO or not being call since your at jazz.

But stop that shit man, your not on the right radial right now. Don"t be frustrated. #smile

Hey man,
It’s pretty hard to decipher typed intent however there are words that when added to the end of a statement of fact have meaning.
When you say, “ I guess it'll go to the 12th week mark due to Jazz filling classes up for october and november apparently.”
You can hear the frustration about it dragging on and the it could end at November but the poster adds, “apparently”, you can literally see their eyes roll at the fact the Jazz pilots are filling up the courses and delaying his entitlement to a sooner course.
If this poster could unequivocally state he/she is not frustrated at that, I’ll apologize.
As for my supposed PFO, sure I would have loved to give up my top scale defined benefit package for the BOTL shit pay and “apparently” crappy lifestyle contract, sounds like something a guy with 30 years of flying and 10 years left for retirement would give up. Did you hear the sarcasm, if not, it was extreme and laden with multiple eye rolls!
One last thing, a common theme from candidates who do pass the interview and are being considered for employment is, the background check is immediate, like same day or next day with references being called just before an acceptance. If you haven’t been asked for a background check yet, I would move on with your life, the PFO is in the mail.

In all fairness, I didn't detect a lick of entitlement in either of their posts. If, as you say it's hard to decipher, wouldn't you rather give the benefit of the doubt or would you rather go on the offensive and attack? I guess you already answered that but just food for thought is all. You can be quite combative in a lot of your posts and I don't see the merit in any of it. Chill.

Hey, sure I’m combative, I’ll own that. It comes from having to defend Jazz and our long term contract all the time, to which AC has been more than happy to ignore when it’s convenient for them.
I will stand by my observation that if you add the word apparently to the end of a statement of fact, you are quite literally rolling your eyes at the fact.
If you are speaking and conveying your understanding of a situation and add “apparently” at the end, are you in agreement with it or do you disagree.
The price of fuel has gone up significantly due to the carbon tax.
Or, The price of fuel has gone up significantly due to the carbon tax, apparently.
Which of those two statements express frustration?

[rooster]

Hey man,
It’s pretty hard to decipher typed intent however there are words that when added to the end of a statement of fact have meaning.
When you say, “ I guess it'll go to the 12th week mark due to Jazz filling classes up for october and november apparently.”
You can hear the frustration about it dragging on and the it could end at November but the poster adds, “apparently”, you can literally see their eyes roll at the fact the Jazz pilots are filling up the courses and delaying his entitlement to a sooner course.
If this poster could unequivocally state he/she is not frustrated at that, I’ll apologize.
As for my supposed PFO, sure I would have loved to give up my top scale defined benefit package for the BOTL shit pay and “apparently” crappy lifestyle contract, sounds like something a guy with 30 years of flying and 10 years left for retirement would give up. Did you hear the sarcasm, if not, it was extreme and laden with multiple eye rolls!
One last thing, a common theme from candidates who do pass the interview and are being considered for employment is, the background check is immediate, like same day or next day with references being called just before an acceptance. If you haven’t been asked for a background check yet, I would move on with your life, the PFO is in the mail.

In all fairness, I didn't detect a lick of entitlement in either of their posts. If, as you say it's hard to decipher, wouldn't you rather give the benefit of the doubt or would you rather go on the offensive and attack? I guess you already answered that but just food for thought is all. You can be quite combative in a lot of your posts and I don't see the merit in any of it. Chill.

Hey, sure I’m combative, I’ll own that. It comes from having to defend Jazz and our long term contract all the time, to which AC has been more than happy to ignore when it’s convenient for them.
I will stand by my observation that if you add the word apparently to the end of a statement of fact, you are quite literally rolling your eyes at the fact.
If you are speaking and conveying your understanding of a situation and add “apparently” at the end, are you in agreement with it or do you disagree.
The price of fuel has gone up significantly due to the carbon tax.
Or, The price of fuel has gone up significantly due to the carbon tax, apparently.
Which of those two statements express frustration?

Honestly? Neither. There is a reason emojis were added to forums and messaging platforms. It conveys better the tone of the sentence. I think maybe the amount of time you've spent 'defending' jazz has led you to become cynical, hence the combativeness. I dunno man, who gives a shit what people say about jazz or any other company on this forum? You shouldn't feel the need to defend your employer. Most of the stuff posted on here ends up in heated arguments because most everyone are simply keyboard warriors who think they know everything. Just go to work, collect your paycheque and go home. I never let any of the posts or posters on here affect me. I say my piece, I log off and life goes on

[flying4dollars]

Hi Folks, so some have mentioned that they aren't getting the PFO (due to medical/psych/BG chk) until after the board has met.

How often does the board meet? Does anyone know officially?

About 9 weeks since the interview and medical (following day was BG check email and no ref checks yet) - just waiting - biting my nails - OTS

I would have thought that if you have a medical/psych discrepancy or an issue with the BG check that they would contact you sooner to arrange further testing.

Skippy

I find the timeline varies. It took me several weeks to receive an offer. Thought for sure I'd be getting a PFO. The other guy who was interviewing the same day as me got a July course date and I got one a month later Although, that delay worked heavily in my favor. Had I gotten on the same course as him, I'd have ended up commuting on the 767F in YYZ and would have had to wait several months only to burn another course right to bid an aircraft in my base. Instead I only had to wait an extra month to get hired and ended up on an aircraft that got me to my home base once training ended and never had to commute.

Good luck!

[Gicash09]

Hi guys, i went over my 12 weeks of waiting since interview and medical i am presently at the 13th week and i was wondering if anyone here went over the 12 weeks of waiting since the interview and medical ?

Also no background check and my references have not been contacter either.

Cheers

[tata324]

Any idea when calls are going out for jan 2024 PIT?

[tata324]

Hi guys, i went over my 12 weeks of waiting since interview and medical i am presently at the 13th week and i was wondering if anyone here went over the 12 weeks of waiting since the interview and medical ?

Also no background check and my references have not been contacter either.

Cheers

My first contact came about 11 weeks after interview for background check, so hopefully you hear something good if you haven’t .

[CaptDukeNukem]

Best to wait at least 12 weeks. Hr is inundated with applicants from everywhere and elsewhere. PFOs and offers are employment for equipment/bases you may or not want on your hire PIT date are for sure in the hands of a capable “HR specialist”.

They will respond to you as soon as possible.


Edit: meant to type 12 weeks, first type was 52.
Sorry

[bring me the horizon]

Hi guys, i went over my 12 weeks of waiting since interview and medical i am presently at the 13th week and i was wondering if anyone here went over the 12 weeks of waiting since the interview and medical ?

Also no background check and my references have not been contacter either.

Cheers

I was in the same boat. They told me to wait 8-12 weeks for a call back. 12 weeks went by and the first day of the 13th week I emailed HR to let them know I was still interested. The next day they called a couple of my references and I was offered a PIT course all in the same day. This was back in May so I think they just forgot about me. There are less applicants now so I assume they'd be less busy so get on the horn with them now!

[matrix77]

Hi guys, i went over my 12 weeks of waiting since interview and medical i am presently at the 13th week and i was wondering if anyone here went over the 12 weeks of waiting since the interview and medical ?

Also no background check and my references have not been contacter either.

Cheers

Have you contacted HR about your situation?
Did anyone receive call for Jan ground school?

[Pilotguy123]

I was told by my buddy at jazz that guys he works with have been called for the end of Jan GS….

[Oilandgas]

Has anyone got a called recently? I am at 8 weeks after interview now. Back ground and ref checks were done 2 days after the interview.

[Yogi21]

Has anyone got a called recently? I am at 8 weeks after interview now. Back ground and ref checks were done 2 days after the interview.

Whats your experience like? It took them 6 weeks for to give me a start date. I have 3000tt with 1000 on the bus

[canadian_aviator_4]

Hi guys, i went over my 12 weeks of waiting since interview and medical i am presently at the 13th week and i was wondering if anyone here went over the 12 weeks of waiting since the interview and medical ?

Also no background check and my references have not been contacter either.

Cheers

For all you know you could wait another 12 weeks. AC does whatever they want. Just ask jazz pilots that interviewed Jan 2023…no call until July to start in late September.

[Oilandgas]

Has anyone got a called recently? I am at 8 weeks after interview now. Back ground and ref checks were done 2 days after the interview.

Whats your experience like? It took them 6 weeks for to give me a start date. I have 3000tt with 1000 on the bus

Around 2100tt with 1300pic, mostly turbopro hours.

[itsgrosswhatinet]

HR is probably doing ritual dances and sacrifices praying that people with more experience apply.

[altiplano]

HR is probably doing ritual dances and sacrifices praying that people with more experience apply.

No doubt they are scratching their heads and wondering where the 5000 and 6000 hour pilots with large airline command experience and jet time went.

But I doubt they are doing a single thing about it other than yelling the board that they are hiring another McManager to analyse the trend.

The word is that the significant reduction in experienced applicants and high failure / ATO rate occurring on both initial training and upgrade training at AC has piqued the interest of Transport... that, along with the C grade from ICAO on our air transport oversight has put Transport in a position that thet are now pressuring AC to raise the experience bar of their new hires.

Expect to see less hiring as AC scales back class sizes in response. Of course they won't raise pay to attract and retain more experienced applicants in the immediate term. Asinine and obstinate as always, I expect this will result in the persistence of the staffing and training crisis and the continued bleed of service and market share to our competitors, at least until the ACA Pilots' contract demands are achieved which will correct much of the deficiency.

Rooting for the low timers currently in the interview mix, but know if it doesn't happen at this moment it's because there are other factors at play.

[Inverted2]

I applied and was turned down during the Jazz PML in 2015. I think I had 12000 hours then.

Now Jazz is going to be running out of 2000 hour pilots to send over in short order.

[flyingcanuck]

HR is probably doing ritual dances and sacrifices praying that people with more experience apply.

The word is that the significant reduction in experienced applicants and high failure / ATO rate occurring on both initial training and upgrade training at AC has piqued the interest of Transport... that, along with the C grade from ICAO on our air transport oversight has put Transport in a position that thet are now pressuring AC to raise the experience bar of their new hires.

While I do enjoy this rumour, it is false. When has TC ever cared about failure rates, or been proactive?

[Dry Guy]

Are they assigning WB FO to new-hires without previous jet time now? They were 6 years ago but I think they stopped for awhile.

[a2btrail]

Are they assigning WB FO to new-hires without previous jet time now? They were 6 years ago but I think they stopped for awhile.

Right now 98% if not all WB FO positions have been taken over the last 16 months of hiring. Only WB positions left is RP. Anyone coming here over the next 11 months expect NB FO positions to be offered and occasional RP positions. Right now the priority is filling NB positions in YYZ. Most positions open are now in YYZ. We will not be hiring as many pilots this year compared to last year. There isn't much variety in positions compared to 12-16 months ago. The environment has changed.

[altiplano]

HR is probably doing ritual dances and sacrifices praying that people with more experience apply.

The word is that the significant reduction in experienced applicants and high failure / ATO rate occurring on both initial training and upgrade training at AC has piqued the interest of Transport... that, along with the C grade from ICAO on our air transport oversight has put Transport in a position that thet are now pressuring AC to raise the experience bar of their new hires.

While I do enjoy this rumour, it is false. When has TC ever cared about failure rates, or been proactive?

If you say so... But of course it's being dismissed by middle managers in training meetings and so on, they won't admit there's a problem. I believe my source and the situation supports it.

TC started caring when their political masters started getting bad press over it with the ICAO report placing Canada below third world countries.

The likelihood of a major accident is high on the current trajectory. TC knows it and the company knows it. Historically they have been able to lean on the high levels of experience of Canadian pilots to avoid catastrophe, but the well has dried up... Of the handful of experienced guys we get, some are walking, even while still on course. They didn't think it could be THAT bad and then they realise that they don't need to deal with it...

Stale contract, stale management attitudes, too old for so much BS.

[itsgrosswhatinet]

We need to get even more retired AC pilots to join TC to help improve safety. It is also my plan when I retire.