Online Petition to Scrap the Long Gun Registry

[HS-748 2A]

Gun owners already enjoy the same protection of property everyone else does and don't require special mention of their hunting rifles in the constitution. Is there a provision in the constitution that guarantees your right to own a boat.

My understaing of Bill C-68 was that there were certain search and seizure provisions which circumvented normal protocal for a warrant if there were thought to be firearms on the premises. A clear violation of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

It is this errosion of civil liberties that must be gaurded against by us all.

Anybody who thinks Big Brother has our best interests at heart, has his head where the enima tube goes, never mind the waste and expense of this useless 'registry'.

http://www.rkba.ca/c68_charter_violations.html

This is a quote from this link that is the basis for your belief:
"The Firearms Act interferes with this liberty by making illegal the mere act of owning a firearm inside one's own home."

It is patently false because as you know it is perfectly legal to own a firearm inside one's own home. The first thing you need to do when reading this kind of crap is consider the source and what their motivation is.

Actually, it's in Section 117, Subpart .02 of Bill C-68

[trey kule]

Well Rockie, let me give you a bit of personal history.

In about 1975-76, they brought in a little brown firearms certificate, and they made certain classes of weapons, prohibited...I made the mistake of agreeing with their decision..the weapons were ultimatley confiscated or voluntarily turned in, or made inoperative.
I owned a revolver I bought in 1973...still have it today.
In about 2000 someone decided that a barrel length of , I believe 105 mm or shorter would catagorize so that it would no longer be restricted, but become prohibited. The number used was exactly 1mm shorter than a 4 inch barrel...1 mm.
So now my weapon is prohibited. I am allowed to keep it, just have to have it destroyed when I kick the bucket.
Now the justification was to rid Canada of snub nose handguns...the kind with 2" barrels..Many, many target weapons have 4 inc barrels, and they are all now on the prohibited list.
Yes, it is slowly expanding..and the end result, if Rock had had his way, would be the total elimination of guns from the civilian population. One small step at a time.
You compared that to the first step towards anarchy. Let me add that the first step towards total dictatorship and despotism is disarming the population. And there are more examples , I believe of this path than the one you are suggesting.

[HS-748 2A]

Well put Trey Kule. Cudos.

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[Rockie]

What's that got to do with a gun registry? In ontario we can't use pesticides on our lawns anymore which I think is pretty unfair, but I don't think it's another step toward a dictatorship. Do you honestly think the government has this plan to form a dictatorship but can't move on it until all the handguns with 4" barrels have been confiscated?

[HS-748 2A]

If I'm not mistaken they haven't come for the handguns and you can still own one. If that isn't correct then I had better tell my friend the police officer who owns two of them.

Don't worry, no matter what happens to the rules, your cop pal will always be able to keep his guns.

One only need to look as far as the attempted cover up of Robert Dziekanski murder to see how much we can trust the police to look out for us.

[Dex]

Search and seizure without warrant where offence committed

117.02 (1) Where a peace officer believes on reasonable grounds

(a) that a weapon, an imitation firearm, a prohibited device, any ammunition, any prohibited ammunition or an explosive substance was used in the commission of an offence, or

(b) that an offence is being committed, or has been committed, under any provision of this Act that involves, or the subject-matter of which is, a firearm, an imitation firearm, a cross-bow, a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device, ammunition, prohibited ammunition or an explosive substance,

and evidence of the offence is likely to be found on a person, in a vehicle or in any place or premises other than a dwelling-house, the peace officer may, where the conditions for obtaining a warrant exist but, by reason of exigent circumstances, it would not be practicable to obtain a warrant, search, without warrant, the person, vehicle, place or premises, and seize any thing by means of or in relation to which that peace officer believes on reasonable grounds the offence is being committed or has been committed.

[HS-748 2A]

So they can search my garage without a warrant and that's not somthing that should concern me?

[Dex]

OOps forgot the link.

http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublication ... ile=185#55

[niss]

In hindsight maybe Hitler had the right idea. I guess we'll never know.

[Dex]

So they can search my garage without a warrant and that's not somthing that should concern me?

"dwelling-house"
«maison d’habitation »

"dwelling-house" means the whole or any part of a building or structure that is kept or occupied as a permanent or temporary residence, and includes

(a) a building within the curtilage of a dwelling-house that is connected to it by a doorway or by a covered and enclosed passage-way, and

(b) a unit that is designed to be mobile and to be used as a permanent or temporary residence and that is being used as such a residence;

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/showdoc/cs ... rbo-ga:s_2

[xsbank]

The US is a republic, not a democracy. The founding fathers saw that government was only essential to organize things but it was also seen as a threat to liberty. All citizens should bear arms to protect themselves from the government, lest it become too powerful and tyrannical. They based their constitution on what they had seen in the past, avid readers of history they were.

Nothing has changed, except that rumbling you hear is the founding fathers collectively rolling over in their graves.

I don't want to go to that argument that the US is nowhere near what the original vision was.

Governments today are governing with fear. We are so bombarded with information that only fear gets our attention. Fear is what drove the gun registry, fear of more women getting shot or fear of confiscation. Use your own brain and see if the fear doesn't go away. Or you can always worry about the sun blowing up. Like Rockie does.

[Rockie]

Or you can always worry about the sun blowing up. Like Rockie does.

Haha, that's rich. Who's sitting up at night worried about jackbooted stormtroopers taking their guns away as a prelude to full scale dictatorship? You make me laugh.

[Jastapilot]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yJ7cfr9Lso

[JakeYYZ]

Updated Thu. Dec. 8 2005 11:30 PM ET
CTV.ca News Staff
Liberal Leader Paul Martin is proposing a sweeping ban on handguns to combat growing gun-related violence in Canada's cities.
"Handguns kill people -- that's why they exist, and they're taking too many Canadian lives," said Martin during his "safer communities announcement" at a school near Toronto's violence-plagued Jane and Finch area this morning.

Link: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/s ... ection2006

I've been called paranoid, a nut, illogical, and brain-dead for suggesting that a handgun ban was going to be the next step on the stairway to banning all guns in Canada. Lefties, who of course know better than any of us, have laughed many a time at such a silly notion. Yet, there we were, facing a Liberal leader who is promising a handgun ban to stem "gun crime" in Canada. A ban, that will do ZERO to prevent handgun crime; but which is targeted at those who are fast becoming the dumbest voters in the civilized world... Torontonian Lefties. The proposed ban was for them, and them alone.

[HS-748 2A]

So they can search my garage without a warrant and that's not somthing that should concern me?

"dwelling-house"
«maison d’habitation »

"dwelling-house" means the whole or any part of a building or structure that is kept or occupied as a permanent or temporary residence, and includes

(a) a building within the curtilage of a dwelling-house that is connected to it by a doorway or by a covered and enclosed passage-way, and

(b) a unit that is designed to be mobile and to be used as a permanent or temporary residence and that is being used as such a residence;

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/showdoc/cs ... rbo-ga:s_2

My detached garage - pardon me.

[Dex]

So they can search my garage without a warrant and that's not somthing that should concern me?

"dwelling-house"
«maison d’habitation »

"dwelling-house" means the whole or any part of a building or structure that is kept or occupied as a permanent or temporary residence, and includes

(a) a building within the curtilage of a dwelling-house that is connected to it by a doorway or by a covered and enclosed passage-way, and

(b) a unit that is designed to be mobile and to be used as a permanent or temporary residence and that is being used as such a residence;

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/showdoc/cs ... rbo-ga:s_2

My detached garage - pardon me.

Sigh!!!! I hope I dont have to spell this out for you. But in any case I have added Section 117.2 for your comparison.

Authority to enter dwelling without warrant

529.3 (1) Without limiting or restricting any power a peace officer may have to enter a dwelling-house under this or any other Act or law, the peace officer may enter the dwelling-house for the purpose of arresting or apprehending a person, without a warrant referred to in section 529 or 529.1 authorizing the entry, if the peace officer has reasonable grounds to believe that the person is present in the dwelling-house, and the conditions for obtaining a warrant under section 529.1 exist but by reason of exigent circumstances it would be impracticable to obtain a warrant.

Exigent circumstances
(2) For the purposes of subsection (1), exigent circumstances include circumstances in which the peace officer

(a) has reasonable grounds to suspect that entry into the dwelling-house is necessary to prevent imminent bodily harm or death to any person; or

(b) has reasonable grounds to believe that evidence relating to the commission of an indictable offence is present in the dwelling-house and that entry into the dwelling-house is necessary to prevent the imminent loss or imminent destruction of the evidence.


COMPARED TO


Search and seizure without warrant where offence committed

117.02 (1) Where a peace officer believes on reasonable grounds

(a) that a weapon, an imitation firearm, a prohibited device, any ammunition, any prohibited ammunition or an explosive substance was used in the commission of an offence, or

(b) that an offence is being committed, or has been committed, under any provision of this Act that involves, or the subject-matter of which is, a firearm, an imitation firearm, a cross-bow, a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device, ammunition, prohibited ammunition or an explosive substance,

and evidence of the offence is likely to be found on a person, in a vehicle or in any place or premises other than a dwelling-house, the peace officer may, where the conditions for obtaining a warrant exist but, by reason of exigent circumstances, it would not be practicable to obtain a warrant, search, without warrant, the person, vehicle, place or premises, and seize any thing by means of or in relation to which that peace officer believes on reasonable grounds the offence is being committed or has been committed.

[Dex]

Updated Thu. Dec. 8 2005 11:30 PM ET
CTV.ca News Staff
Liberal Leader Paul Martin is proposing a sweeping ban on handguns to combat growing gun-related violence in Canada's cities.
"Handguns kill people -- that's why they exist, and they're taking too many Canadian lives," said Martin during his "safer communities announcement" at a school near Toronto's violence-plagued Jane and Finch area this morning.

Link: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/s ... ection2006

I've been called paranoid, a nut, illogical, and brain-dead for suggesting that a handgun ban was going to be the next step on the stairway to banning all guns in Canada. Lefties, who of course know better than any of us, have laughed many a time at such a silly notion. Yet, there we were, facing a Liberal leader who is promising a handgun ban to stem "gun crime" in Canada. A ban, that will do ZERO to prevent handgun crime; but which is targeted at those who are fast becoming the dumbest voters in the civilized world... Torontonian Lefties. The proposed ban was for them, and them alone.

And all of a sudden you believed the promises of a Liberal leader? I guess in this case Martin's words were not a "stable covered in tons of Liberal horseshit"?

[Rockie]

Updated Thu. Dec. 8 2005 11:30 PM ET
CTV.ca News Staff
Liberal Leader Paul Martin is proposing a sweeping ban on handguns to combat growing gun-related violence in Canada's cities.
"Handguns kill people -- that's why they exist, and they're taking too many Canadian lives," said Martin during his "safer communities announcement" at a school near Toronto's violence-plagued Jane and Finch area this morning.

Link: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/s ... ection2006

I've been called paranoid, a nut, illogical, and brain-dead for suggesting that a handgun ban was going to be the next step on the stairway to banning all guns in Canada. Lefties, who of course know better than any of us, have laughed many a time at such a silly notion. Yet, there we were, facing a Liberal leader who is promising a handgun ban to stem "gun crime" in Canada. A ban, that will do ZERO to prevent handgun crime; but which is targeted at those who are fast becoming the dumbest voters in the civilized world... Torontonian Lefties. The proposed ban was for them, and them alone.

An election promise at the eleventh hour of a desperate campaign, and if memory serves he wasn't re-elected. Not even by the dumbest voters in the civilized world.

[JakeYYZ]

There’s always tomorrow.

[Rockie]

There’s always tomorrow.

Not for him or that other boogeyman Alan Rock. Funny how the two worst enemies of the NFA have both been punted by the electorate. Maybe you guys should lighten up on your own "sky is falling" doomsday prophesies.

[HS-748 2A]

Sigh!!!! I hope I dont have to spell this out for you. But in any case I have added Section 117.2 for your comparison.

Authority to enter dwelling without warrant

529.3 (1) Without limiting or restricting any power a peace officer may have to enter a dwelling-house under this or any other Act or law, the peace officer may enter the dwelling-house for the purpose of arresting or apprehending a person, without a warrant referred to in section 529 or 529.1 authorizing the entry, if the peace officer has reasonable grounds to believe that the person is present in the dwelling-house, and the conditions for obtaining a warrant under section 529.1 exist but by reason of exigent circumstances it would be impracticable to obtain a warrant.

Exigent circumstances
(2) For the purposes of subsection (1), exigent circumstances include circumstances in which the peace officer

(a) has reasonable grounds to suspect that entry into the dwelling-house is necessary to prevent imminent bodily harm or death to any person; or

(b) has reasonable grounds to believe that evidence relating to the commission of an indictable offence is present in the dwelling-house and that entry into the dwelling-house is necessary to prevent the imminent loss or imminent destruction of the evidence.

Right - So they can enter my home or premises, without a warrant if:

- I am about assault or murder sombody
- I am about to destroy evidence of an indictable offence

COMPARED TO


Search and seizure without warrant where offence committed

117.02 (1) Where a peace officer believes on reasonable grounds

(a) that a weapon, an imitation firearm, a prohibited device, any ammunition, any prohibited ammunition or an explosive substance was used in the commission of an offence, or

(b) that an offence is being committed, or has been committed, under any provision of this Act that involves, or the subject-matter of which is, a firearm, an imitation firearm, a cross-bow, a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device, ammunition, prohibited ammunition or an explosive substance,

and evidence of the offence is likely to be found on a person, in a vehicle or in any place or premises other than a dwelling-house, the peace officer may, where the conditions for obtaining a warrant exist but, by reason of exigent circumstances, it would not be practicable to obtain a warrant, search, without warrant, the person, vehicle, place or premises, and seize any thing by means of or in relation to which that peace officer believes on reasonable grounds the offence is being committed or has been committed.

Or - If they think I own an unregistered firearm or some gun powder.

Excellent.

[niss]

In hindsight maybe Hitler had the right idea. I guess we'll never know.

Did I misinterpret this? This is not a bigger deal to anyone else?

[HS-748 2A]

Wasn't one of Hitler's ideas to register everybody's guns and then confiscate them?

http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/registra ... ation.html

[Rockie]

Or - If they think I own an unregistered firearm or some gun powder.

Writing your own laws now? It's pretty clear to me they can't enter your house without a warrant for any reason including looking for an unregistered firearm unless:

- I am about assault or murder sombody
- I am about to destroy evidence of an indictable offence

Where's the heartache in that?

[Rockie]

Wasn't one of Hitler's ideas to register everybody's guns and then confiscate them?

http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/registra ... ation.html

Yup, it's a small step from registering firearms to invading Poland, plunging an entire continent into war and gassing 6 million people. We need to be very careful here.