Co-pilot time for ATPL

[Etihad]

That is correct. It is NOT retroactive.

[cdnpilot77]

Show me the reg that says that.

Edit: here is the line from the gazette II, "— repeal section 401.10 so as to allow the Minister to credit the holder of a pilot licence for 100% of co-pilot flight time towards the total flight time required for the issuance of a higher class of pilot licence and harmonize Canadian requirements with ICAO’s equivalent standard."
no where does it say " not retroactive". Just because you heard it from someone does not make it true. If you find it somewhere else in the regs, by all means show it here but to just say it's not retroactive with no proof is going to confuse the issue. Facts only please

[Etihad]

I inquired about the new regulation when I was at TC in YUL in Feb. that's what I was told........ "It will not be retroactive.

[cdnpilot77]

Again, if it's not in regulations saying it isn't retro, then you can't just take someone's word for it as gospel to spout off on here and confusing the issue. If they say it isn't when the regs are changed, ask them to point out in the CARS where it specifically says it isn't retroactive. It's not there, no interpretation permitted.

[Illya Kuryakin]

Now, an hour is an hour. That copilot time you flew in 2011? Yup, that's the same as that PIC hour you flew yesterday. Not every Tom Dick and Harry has any idea what they're talking about. As cdn77 says, if it ain't IN WRITING it ain't a FACT!
Illya

[Etihad]

Then I apologize for believing a TC Licensing agents words to be correct information.

[Illya Kuryakin]

Imagine the shitshow? "No sir, those hours were flown before 1/3/14....." You think they have time for that? FORGETABOUTIT!
Illya

[Illya Kuryakin]

Then I apologize for believing a TC Licensing agents words to be correct information.

No harm....just quote the motto on the licence plates from the State of Missouri. "Show Me"
Keep in mind....this reg is new to them as well. They should have a copy right there, and they should read it!
Illya

[Colonel Sanders]

Shop around and find a region who's interpretation
agrees with yours. Sometimes there are HUGE
differences between regions. For example, in
PNR, trying to get a homebuilt legal for aerobatics
is insane. Any other region, it's easy.

I apologize for believing a TC Licensing agents words to be correct information

Don't worry about it. Just because someone gets
hired by TC doesn't make them omniscient.

Can I use that word here? Omniscient?

TC has some great people, and some incredible
donkeys. It's important to figure out which is
which.

One of the donkeys tried to interpret CAR 602.27(c)
so as to outlaw all aerobatics in Canada below 18,000
feet.

[Etihad]

Well hopefully TC will have it all ironed out this week for those that need it.

[Illya Kuryakin]

Well hopefully TC will have it all ironed out this week for those that need it.

There's nothing to iron out mate
Illya

[Etihad]

For those interested in the topic, take from it what you would like..........a copy of an email......

Thank you for your e-mail received in the Transport Canada Civil Aviation Communications Centre.

In consultation with one of our specialists, I am pleased to provide you with the following information:

Counting 100% Co-Pilot time towards total flight time for the issuance of a higher class of Pilot Licence will only count starting April 14, 2014.

I trust that the foregoing has addressed your questions. Should you need other information on civil aviation matters, please feel free to contact us via email at services@tc.gc.ca or toll free at 1-800-305-2059 (Option 7).

Again, thank you for writing.

Kind regards,

[frozen solid]

I think the main problem they're having making it retroactive is that before 2013 gum ball machines didn't take loonies and the slots weren't big enough for the blue booklets. I hear the OK manufacturing company has been given the contract to make new ones and they're a bit behind.

[ahramin]

Etihad, I suspected this was the problem. Perhaps they didn't understand your question, or you didn't write it clearly but in any case you are not understanding the answer. Read it again. They are talking about when the co-pilot time will count at 100%, not when the time has to be logged for it to count at 100%.

Stupid response on TC's part in any case. A whole paragraph just to say that the rule changes on the 14th . Probably they just didn't read your question. Maybe ask them if hours flown before the 14th will count at 100% after the 14th.

[Etihad]

Perhaps you are correct. I'll inquire this week and see what comes out of it.

[takamasa]

thanks guys for answering hopefully Eithad will find out more this week.

[cdnpilot77]

I agree with Ahramin, it appears to be a misinterpretation of the words. There is nothing that states the hours flown before the 14th won't count.

[Canadian Skyhawk]

There's nothing confusing, it's all clearly spelled out in the Gazette Part II and the new CARs text. I am taking advantage of the change and have moved up my planned ATPL application by almost a year. I will be writing the two exams next week and will also be dropping off my logbooks at the same time.

The change was announced over a year ago and puts Canada in line with ICAO. Being over 40, there's a double bonus: Physicals are now required only once a year!

Happy Flying!

[Etihad]

I STAND CORRECTED! Was at TC this morning............... All co-pi time including those before today are credited 1-1. For those that it benefits........... "HAVE AT'ER"!!!!

[cpt.sam]

hmmmmm
Why hasn't this been updated?

421.10 Crediting of Flight Time Acquired by a Co-pilot

The holder of a pilot licence may be credited not more than 50% of co-pilot flight time towards the total flight time required for the issuance of a higher class of pilot licence.
(amended 1998/12/01; >previous version)`

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/r ... 1-1086.htm`

[rac007]

Maybe the TC site isn't updating anymore since they switched to the DOJ site.