Canada Jetlines

[pianokeys]

But why is Canada such a nation of dickheads that take pleasure in the misfortune of others? An entrepreneur trying to make a new business, who believes in it to the point he'll take on massive debt on his credit cards to desperately try and keep it alive - this is who we make fun of?

Its worth lampooning something thats only going to do harm to the aviation industry. The possible harm is that this company will drive wages down because of its ULCC model, making it harder for people in the aviation industry to make a living. Would you want a competing company to come in and undercut your company in terms of sale prices, which would then force your company to cut back its most expensive cost, the people, your wage?

The relevance - or lack of it - of this proposed venture isn't my point. But the smugness of people who are basically just wage-slaves, at the misfortune of people who actually take risks, is an embarrassment.

Try calling a regional pilot in the US, or some up here even, a 'wage-slave' and that they deserve low pay because their bosses are taking gargantuan risks. If thats how you see it, thats embarrassing.

[cdnpilot77]

One place I fly into regularly is MYAT. It is served by Silver Airways from the U.S. I thought this may be a service which might be handy to me occasionally. So I decided to look into it. The f/o on the Be02 fleet is making $18900/yr and the $22,000/yr on the Saab. These crews are forced to domicile in the inexpensive (sarcastic) areas like ft lauderdale. So, my question is, how do we know that a crew is prepared physically and mentally for a flight, when they could very well have to live in a shelter and get food from a food bank? (I wish that was sarcastic)
I don't think I will be using that service. Does anyone want to see that happen in Canada? Complexintentions, I hope not and if they do, I hope we ridicule them right out of the country. If that makes us bad people then so be it, but does it make us worse than them and "dickheads" because the rich guy is just trying to make a quick million while the worker bees barely make a penny? I think not!

[awitzke]

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[Big Pistons Forever]

JP doesn't like his ventures to fail.

That is why you will never see him have anything to do with this goat rope...

[Boreas]

Ahhhhh zombie threads....



Looks like they might start flying in 2019. Apparently the aircraft lease(s) is moving along.

Anyone care to chime in here with the standard "rabble rabble"? Anyone own any stock?

[schnitzel2k3]

Way to bring this back to life.

It's funny to read the comments from 4 years ago, prior to the kerfuffle surrounding Swoop.

I guess we should be seeing WAWCONs listed shortly.

S.

[cloak]

This "airline" has been very good at staying in the news; and had the foresight to make their shares available for trade years before they had done anything else!

[Old fella]

Well this topic and the many associated posts started five years ago and this airline hasn’t done their first take off yet.

[Jerry Boyle]

They are also the industry leader in safety with absolutely no accidents or incidents. Congratulations Canada Jetlines!!!

[C-GGGQ]

While I realize that we do not represent the entirety of Canadian pilots, would anyone here even consider flying one of these two imaginary... 320's? 737's? Whichever they are trying to acquire at this point?

[telex]

While I realize that we do not represent the entirety of Canadian pilots, would anyone here even consider flying one of these two imaginary... 320's? 737's? Whichever they are trying to acquire at this point?

Several guys overseas are already salivating over the idea.

[goingnowherefast]

Anybody know the WAWCON?

[telex]

Anybody know the WAWCON?

No OC. No airplanes. No pilots. No WAWCON.

[goingnowherefast]

Well they better pay better than that! Lol

Honestly, if they pay well and treat their pilots well, I couldn't care less what the marketing strategy is for the passengers. ULCC or all elite 1st class, does not matter.

[Irony]

Agreed!

[C-GGGQ]

I more meant that with all the stumbling around they've done, even if they do ever have a first takeoff, they'll go under so fast, who would risk It?

[pianokeys]

Anybody know the WAWCON?

No OC. No airplanes. No pilots. No WAWCON.

I sure hope Jetlines has a PML to Newleaf, or vice versa.

[jjj]

20 bucks says Tbaylx will be no. 1 on the seniority list when they launch.

JJJ

[HansDietrich]

This waste of internet space (Canada Jetlines) are but a bunch of guys in suits trying to start an airline. It'll never happen. The only people that get excited are the middle age women who are new to Facebook and are excited to take the trip of their lifetime, from Hamilton (to) "OUT WEST" in Edmonton, for $39.99 one way fare, to see their grand kids who are now about to start grade 7 and have not seen them since they were born. Did I get that right? Close enough...

[Bacunayagua]

This waste of internet space (Canada Jetlines) are but a bunch of guys in suits trying to start an airline. It'll never happen. The only people that get excited are the middle age women who are new to Facebook and are excited to take the trip of their lifetime, from Hamilton (to) "OUT WEST" in Edmonton, for $39.99 one way fare, to see their grand kids who are now about to start grade 7 and have not seen them since they were born. Did I get that right? Close enough...

Yeah! How dare these peasants want to travel and see family members they haven't been able to see in years? Plebs better learn their place and jump on Greyhound if they want to go anywhere. Best leave air travel to only those who can pay for an overpriced YYZ-YEG ticket. /S

[HansDietrich]

You must vote for Trudeau, taking offense to any sarcastic comment. Let me explain to you what I meant:

A lot of Canadians think that flying 3000 km across the country is worth 40 bucks. If they think that, they should walk there, nevermind taking a bus. A bus is a lot more expensive.

Aviation is now fast food...

[schnitzel2k3]

This waste of internet space (Canada Jetlines) are but a bunch of guys in suits trying to start an airline. It'll never happen. The only people that get excited are the middle age women who are new to Facebook and are excited to take the trip of their lifetime, from Hamilton (to) "OUT WEST" in Edmonton, for $39.99 one way fare, to see their grand kids who are now about to start grade 7 and have not seen them since they were born. Did I get that right? Close enough...

Yeah! How dare these peasants want to travel and see family members they haven't been able to see in years? Plebs better learn their place and jump on Greyhound if they want to go anywhere. Best leave air travel to only those who can pay for an overpriced YYZ-YEG ticket. /S

The PFO finally reached his inbox. Usually the first ones to post overtly negative random critiques, were the first ones to get rejected.

I said the same thing about Swoop, if this comes to fruition, creates jobs, no matter how poorly paid, it dries up the talent pool and will be the eventual driver to industry wide wage increases.

You can't expect bottom feeders like Flair, New Leaf and Canada Jetlines to lead this industry if we openly justify and allow national companies like Air Canada to do the same.

The only way wages increase is from the top, ACPA needs to cut out the flat pay, and start qualified pilots off at a higher salary before we see any insurmountable change elsewhere. If AC can get away paying new FOs 52k++ flying mainline 777, then why should anyone else flying anything smaller do differently?

Food for thought.

S.

[schnitzel2k3]

You must vote for Trudeau, taking offense to any sarcastic comment. Let me explain to you what I meant:

A lot of Canadians think that flying 3000 km across the country is worth 40 bucks. If they think that, they should walk there, nevermind taking a bus. A bus is a lot more expensive.

Aviation is now fast food...

There was nothing sarcastic about your earlier comment.

Someone who is sarcastic says the opposite of what they really mean in order to mock or insult someone. For example, I envy your captains as you must be an absolute joy to fly with...

S.

[HansDietrich]

The only way wages increase is from the top, ACPA needs to cut out the flat pay, and start qualified pilots off at a higher salary before we see any insurmountable change elsewhere. If AC can get away paying new FOs 52k++ flying mainline 777, then why should anyone else flying anything smaller do differently?

Food for thought.

S.

Hey, I agree with you 100% here. AC is the top SCUM, followed by the rest of them. That's why I left the airlines.

(BTW, I'm left seat now, with a salary that I can afford to eat and send my kids to school, flying corporate). I'm not an ass to fly with, despite my AVCANADA politically incorrect posts, but I'm also not going to feel sorry for some Joe Schmoe or Jane Doe for "not willing to pay a fair price" to fly across the 2nd largest country in the world. Flying is not meant for everyone. It's expensive. Low cost carriers made everyone think that flying is affordable and "ANYONE CAN FLY"... At who's expense? What's next? "$99 spine surgery"?

If I sound negative, it's because I am. At least I'm willing to call out bullshit on the public and their unreasonable expectations.

[telex]

This waste of internet space (Canada Jetlines) are but a bunch of guys in suits trying to start an airline. It'll never happen. The only people that get excited are the middle age women who are new to Facebook and are excited to take the trip of their lifetime, from Hamilton (to) "OUT WEST" in Edmonton, for $39.99 one way fare, to see their grand kids who are now about to start grade 7 and have not seen them since they were born. Did I get that right? Close enough...

Yeah! How dare these peasants want to travel and see family members they haven't been able to see in years? Plebs better learn their place and jump on Greyhound if they want to go anywhere. Best leave air travel to only those who can pay for an overpriced YYZ-YEG ticket. /S

The PFO finally reached his inbox. Usually the first ones to post overtly negative random critiques, were the first ones to get rejected.

I said the same thing about Swoop, if this comes to fruition, creates jobs, no matter how poorly paid, it dries up the talent pool and will be the eventual driver to industry wide wage increases.

You can't expect bottom feeders like Flair, New Leaf and Canada Jetlines to lead this industry if we openly justify and allow national companies like Air Canada to do the same.

The only way wages increase is from the top, ACPA needs to cut out the flat pay, and start qualified pilots off at a higher salary before we see any insurmountable change elsewhere. If AC can get away paying new FOs 52k++ flying mainline 777, then why should anyone else flying anything smaller do differently?

Food for thought.

S.

ps. New Leaf is defunct. Jetlines does not have an OC. Neither are relevant.