This is how you treat staff

[rookiepilot]

I’m not educated either. I learned it through self-study.

It means your conclusion does not follow your premise(s).

There are a great many non-business owners—and failed business owners who do or did dirty jobs.

And there are plenty of business owners—a few of which I had the displeasure of working for—for whom any form of dirty work was beneath them. One winner didn’t even do DIs.. so he took off with the flight control locks on and—after miraculously surviving—promptly blamed the mechanics for not removing them.

It also implies that people want to work for themselves. I sure don’t. If the company I work for treats me badly or fails I simply move on to the next one. No attachments, no worries about losses or external factors. No long hours or taking it home with me worrying about how the competition or US economy or Canadian government is going to ruin it.

And it pays dividends in mental health and a good nights sleep.

Fair enough.

[photofly]

no worries about losses or external factors. No long hours or taking it home with me worrying about how the competition or US economy or Canadian government is going to ruin it.

And it pays dividends in mental health and a good nights sleep.

I take your point, but having seen both sides of the divide, the security of working for someone else is illusory. Permanent jobs are just as much subject to the vagaries of the competition, the US economy and whether the Canadian government is going to ruin it as working for yourself. The good night’s sleep of the employee is based on a fantasy, albeit a comfortable one.

[‘Bob’]

Where did I say anything about job security? I don’t care about job security.

That’s the whole point. I can pack up (or be sent packing) and have opportunities abound while being none the worse for wear. A business owner loses a business… not exactly easy to start another one now, is it?

Some people care. Typically they are the ones grinding up the ladder of union seniority hoping that they’ve picked a winning horse and hoping that they have enough for when the world inevitably implodes. Motivated to do terrible things to start for the promise of a carrot at the other end that few survive to collect.

[photofly]

Where did I say anything about job security? I don’t care about job security.

Noting that you are unusual in this respect, when most people talk about having a good nights sleep because they have a job and don't work for themselves, it's because they feel insulated by having an employer from the things that worry the self-employed. That confidence is illusory.

[digits_]

Where did I say anything about job security? I don’t care about job security.

Noting that you are unusual in this respect, when most people talk about having a good nights sleep because they have a job and don't work for themselves, it's because they feel insulated by having an employer from the things that worry the self-employed. That confidence is illusory.

Often it is an illusion, but not always. If you work for a startup, then you might as well start your own business job security wise. If you work for a bank, you're likely more secure than when you would have started your own business.

[photofly]

Where did I say anything about job security? I don’t care about job security.

Noting that you are unusual in this respect, when most people talk about having a good nights sleep because they have a job and don't work for themselves, it's because they feel insulated by having an employer from the things that worry the self-employed. That confidence is illusory.

Often it is an illusion, but not always. If you work for a startup, then you might as well start your own business job security wise. If you work for a bank, you're likely more secure than when you would have started your own business.

Uh-huh.

https://fortune.com/2020/09/16/incredib ... -hsbc/amp/

[digits_]

Noting that you are unusual in this respect, when most people talk about having a good nights sleep because they have a job and don't work for themselves, it's because they feel insulated by having an employer from the things that worry the self-employed. That confidence is illusory.

Often it is an illusion, but not always. If you work for a startup, then you might as well start your own business job security wise. If you work for a bank, you're likely more secure than when you would have started your own business.

Uh-huh.

https://fortune.com/2020/09/16/incredib ... -hsbc/amp/

Yup

Citigroup said this week it will restart job cuts, joining rivals such as Deutsche Bank AG and HSBC, which resumed staff reductions in May and June. The U.S. bank’s reductions will affect less than 1% of its global workforce, which amounted to about 204,000 at the end of the second quarter.

Do you think that less than 1% of self employed people/small business goes bust every year?

Anyway, I think you can agree that there are definitely sectors out there where you have more job security at an established company than at your own start up. Nothing's guaranteed, but if you were a gambling man, would you bet that a random walmart employee still has his job in 2 years (assuming he doesn't quit), or that the new local arts and crafts business is still operating in 2 years?

[rookiepilot]

Depends on how one is wired

I'm made to run my own show. It's the way I always wanted it, and I happily traded any version of security for it ----

I would seriously get fired at any job, cause I'd run my mouth on how I knew better, right or wrong.

My last job before starting out on my own, I had a VERY tolerant boss in hindsight.

[pilotidentity]

I just watched a video of a man reconditioning a lead acid battery out on a busy street somewhere in India. My point? We are so out of touch with the reality most in this world face... So thankfull I can even consider complaining about anything other than food shelter and clean water.

[flyingcanuck]

I just watched a video of a man reconditioning a lead acid battery out on a busy street somewhere in India. My point? We are so out of touch with the reality most in this world face... So thankfull I can even consider complaining about anything other than food shelter and clean water.

"You can't complain because someone has it worse"... so? That's a silly argument. Perspective is important however we can still try to make our own situations better.