YYC Base

[yowflyer23]

I wonder if YYC-LHR will be next to go for winter 2024-2025?

I would be shocked. They can use LH Group to cover FRA with the A++ JV in the interim while they sort out the mess at Jazz. They wouldn’t give up one of their highest yielding routes to LHR altogether. The slots are quite valuable and I can’t see them adding an additional winter frequency to any other hubs.

[Inverted2]

I did hear the Jazz F/A base in YHZ is on borrowed time since there’s not much flying left there due to the PAL cpa.

[truedude]

I did hear the Jazz F/A base in YHZ is on borrowed time since there’s not much flying left there due to the PAL cpa.

Perhaps the CIRB will order AC to hault the PAL relationship... I'm dreaming I know, but it sure would feel good.

[Turboprops]

I did hear the Jazz F/A base in YHZ is on borrowed time since there’s not much flying left there due to the PAL cpa.

Perhaps the CIRB will order AC to hault the PAL relationship... I'm dreaming I know, but it sure would feel good.

I thought a couple months ago you were so confident that the “ALPA lawyers” would storm in once there’s something officially signed? What about now?

[truedude]

I did hear the Jazz F/A base in YHZ is on borrowed time since there’s not much flying left there due to the PAL cpa.

Perhaps the CIRB will order AC to hault the PAL relationship... I'm dreaming I know, but it sure would feel good.

I thought a couple months ago you were so confident that the “ALPA lawyers” would storm in once there’s something officially signed? What about now?

It is before the CIRB now. So it isn't being ignored. There was hope that AC and Jazz would deal with it during bargaining, but AC didn't want to acknowledge anything. So now we can see how the CIRB deal with it. They could technically order AC to shut it down. Or they could order AC that it can't be expanded, and that it can't be duplicated. They could order AC into arbitration to pay restitution... Lots of things could happen.

[Inverted2]

Perhaps the CIRB will order AC to hault the PAL relationship... I'm dreaming I know, but it sure would feel good.

I thought a couple months ago you were so confident that the “ALPA lawyers” would storm in once there’s something officially signed? What about now?

It is before the CIRB now. So it isn't being ignored. There was hope that AC and Jazz would deal with it during bargaining, but AC didn't want to acknowledge anything. So now we can see how the CIRB deal with it. They could technically order AC to shut it down. Or they could order AC that it can't be expanded, and that it can't be duplicated. They could order AC into arbitration to pay restitution... Lots of things could happen.

And Air Canada could argue they had to because Jazz can’t keep or hire pilots while at the same time Air Canada is/was dead set against giving Jazz pilots a proper industry competitive wage increase and intervened which is why we are in this mess we are in!

[truedude]

I thought a couple months ago you were so confident that the “ALPA lawyers” would storm in once there’s something officially signed? What about now?

It is before the CIRB now. So it isn't being ignored. There was hope that AC and Jazz would deal with it during bargaining, but AC didn't want to acknowledge anything. So now we can see how the CIRB deal with it. They could technically order AC to shut it down. Or they could order AC that it can't be expanded, and that it can't be duplicated. They could order AC into arbitration to pay restitution... Lots of things could happen.

And Air Canada could argue they had to because Jazz can’t keep or hire pilots while at the same time Air Canada is/was dead set against giving Jazz pilots a proper industry competitive wage increase and intervened which is why we are in this mess we are in!

And the lawyers will argue AC refused any attempt at actually dealing with the real problem, and attempted to end round a labour group. And then when Jazz and the pilots did reach an agreement, AC said no. The entire CPA is structured in a way that is designed to keep labour costs down, as there is zero profit in the CPA that goes to Jazz. Also the ALPA lawyers will argue that AC failing to follow through on flow, helped to create the labour issues at Jazz.

[Inverted2]

It will be interesting to see how it all plays out. I don’t see Jazz being flooded with resumes anytime soon though. Sure they will be able to hire 250-500 hour wonders but that will be it. We are still losing pilots to Porter/WJA after the new pay scales.

[truedude]

It will be interesting to see how it all plays out. I don’t see Jazz being flooded with resumes anytime soon though. Sure they will be able to hire 250-500 hour wonders but that will be it. We are still losing pilots to Porter/WJA after the new pay scales.

I 100% agree, which means AC isn't taking the issue seriously. It is like they entered negations from a, "what is the minimum we can offer that will pass," "instead of, what do we need to do to rebuild our regional network."

If it is next summer they hope to save, they will now shorty that this is not working, and will need to come back with more money. I hope anyways.

[canadian_aviator_4]

Perhaps the CIRB will order AC to hault the PAL relationship... I'm dreaming I know, but it sure would feel good.

I thought a couple months ago you were so confident that the “ALPA lawyers” would storm in once there’s something officially signed? What about now?

It is before the CIRB now. So it isn't being ignored. There was hope that AC and Jazz would deal with it during bargaining, but AC didn't want to acknowledge anything. So now we can see how the CIRB deal with it. They could technically order AC to shut it down. Or they could order AC that it can't be expanded, and that it can't be duplicated. They could order AC into arbitration to pay restitution... Lots of things could happen.

AC will do as they please. Whatever is in their best interest. Nothing more. No one is ordering AC to do anything , except maybe the federal government.

[NovaBoy]

I did hear the Jazz F/A base in YHZ is on borrowed time since there’s not much flying left there due to the PAL cpa.

PAL is doing YQX, YDF, YYR and YOW as of the November AC schedule, on top of the YYT run which will be up to 4 daily flights.

[TheStig]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfound ... -1.6959984

The service cut announcements are made before the job cut announcements.

[truedude]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfound ... -1.6959984

The service cut announcements are made before the job cut announcements.

Looks like another union is going to file a CIRB complaint. At this rate, AC can have a lawyer take up permanent residence at the CIRB offices, as it looks like they will be busy for sometime.

[Blueontop]

Wasn’t jazz supposed to be the sole service provider under the air canada express tag? Wasn’t that one of the pillars of the deal that was signed for 17 YEARS? What is Jazz ALPA doing about this? Why is the Jazz pilots accepting that meh MOS? Seriously grow fn backbone but all I see is shrugged shoulders from the majority.

[hithere]

Wasn’t jazz supposed to be the sole service provider under the air canada express tag? Wasn’t that one of the pillars of the deal that was signed for 17 YEARS? What is Jazz ALPA doing about this? Why is the Jazz pilots accepting that meh MOS? Seriously grow fn backbone but all I see is shrugged shoulders from the majority.

The exclusivity was only ever until the end of 2025 for aircraft in the 70-78 seat range. So on the day we ratified their “meh” offer, ALPA National, on behalf of the JAZ MEC launched a ULP(Unfair Labour Practice) complaint with the Canadian Industrial Labour Board.
It would be very extreme for the Canadian Industrial Labour board to order AC to shut down the PAL deal. More likely an order for no more PAL type stuff (and no more than the previously agreed to 6 tails for PAL) until the end of 2025, when our exclusivity expired anyway.
Beyond 2025 there is another guarantee of at least 80 tails in the 70- 78 seat seat range.
Not sure what else more than a ULP we can do to prove we have a backbone in your eyes. Then again I don’t really give a f!ck what you think, Mr. Anonymous internet person

[Blueontop]

Wasn’t jazz supposed to be the sole service provider under the air canada express tag? Wasn’t that one of the pillars of the deal that was signed for 17 YEARS? What is Jazz ALPA doing about this? Why is the Jazz pilots accepting that meh MOS? Seriously grow fn backbone but all I see is shrugged shoulders from the majority.

The exclusivity was only ever until the end of 2025 for aircraft in the 70-78 seat range. So on the day we ratified their “meh” offer, ALPA National, on behalf of the JAZ MEC launched a ULP(Unfair Labour Practice) complaint with the Canadian Industrial Labour Board.
It would be very extreme for the Canadian Industrial Labour board to order AC to shut down the PAL deal. More likely an order for no more PAL type stuff (and no more than the previously agreed to 6 tails for PAL) until the end of 2025, when our exclusivity expired anyway.
Beyond 2025 there is another guarantee of at least 80 tails in the 70- 78 seat seat range.
Not sure what else more than a ULP we can do to prove we have a backbone in your eyes. Then again I don’t really give a f!ck what you think, Mr. Anonymous internet person

Vote no.

[hithere]

You going to pay my mortgage when AC decides we are in default of our obligations to staff our aircraft and blows up the whole CPA? We weren’t even in open bargaining and AC offered us a deal worth over 45 million a year?
Look after your own issues at whatever airline you work for, our bargaining realities as a CPA carrier in Canada are far different than yours

[rudder]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfound ... -1.6959984

The service cut announcements are made before the job cut announcements.

So much for the ‘temporary’ nature of the PAL CPA.

[cdnavater]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfound ... -1.6959984

The service cut announcements are made before the job cut announcements.

So much for the ‘temporary’ nature of the PAL CPA.

Seems like uniform is planning to challenge the federal labour law about the right to follow the work for the same pay, hopefully they are successful!

[truedude]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfound ... -1.6959984

The service cut announcements are made before the job cut announcements.

So much for the ‘temporary’ nature of the PAL CPA.

Seems like uniform is planning to challenge the federal labour law about the right to follow the work for the same pay, hopefully they are successful!

Good! Maybe if all the unions make ACs management's life miserable, and the board starts asking questions, they will start to decide this war on all fronts isn't worth the effort, or a good business strategy.

[TheStig]

So much for the ‘temporary’ nature of the PAL CPA.

Seems like uniform is planning to challenge the federal labour law about the right to follow the work for the same pay, hopefully they are successful!

Good! Maybe if all the unions make ACs management's life miserable, and the board starts asking questions, they will start to decide this war on all fronts isn't worth the effort, or a good business strategy.

Obviously this forum tends to focus on pilots, but the "never let a crisis go to waste" mantra is being seen here as a way to furlough airport staff as well. From my experience with them Jazz airport personal have all been first rate but from a Bean Counters perspective, no doubt more expensive than their non-union peers at other carriers.

[twinpratts]

Back to the origin of this tread…
Are there any Q400 vacancies currently/ projected at the YYC base, and is there any hiring for the YYC base in the short term?
Thanks
TP

[KenoraPilot]

Yes, for the foreseeable future YYC Q400 seems to be the junior spot at Jazz for new hire initial classes. Last 6 classes in a row have had at least 4-8 YYC Q400 positions for new hire FOs.

New class starts today so will know tomorrow what positions available.

[freedom liberty]

any CRJ spots at YYC?

[Hysteria]

There were around 7 in the previous groundschool, and I’ve read on other topics that there will be more to come in the next groundschools.