Traf wrote:At least I am not the clown on the net saying AC won;t be able to staff their airline because I didin't get hired. Whah, I have a lot time, whah, I was in the military, whah I have an education whah whah whah!!!
They can't hire everyone that they intreview so someone one has to be on the no list. Seems like they have made some good choices thus far eh sport!
Crying towel posted here! SNif sniff!!!
I don't get the impression that is the gist of the post. You seem to imply a sense of entitlement that I'm not getting from the posts. It seems to be more about confusion, imo. You nor I can solve the dilemma for these folks that want to work for AC, though, unless you are super well connect to the AC Matrix, Traf.
At the best of times I'm confused -- more to do with Alzheimer's maybe but AC does have an opaque system in many regards, even for insiders. This whole HR thing is fairly new, so the age old standards don't seem to apply.
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I don't get the impression that is the gist of the post. You seem to imply a sense of entitlement that I'm not getting from the posts. It seems to be more about confusion, imo. You nor I can solve the dilemma for these folks that want to work for AC, though, unless you are super well connect to the AC Matrix, Traf.
At the best of times I'm confused -- more to do with Alzheimer's maybe but AC does have an opaque system in many regards, even for insiders. This whole HR thing is fairly new, so the age old standards don't seem to apply.
Thank you . That is what is being discussed here from where I stand. None of the pilots that have been turned down have ever said anything about being entitled to anything. All of them have gotten to where they are now through hard work and dedication. They would just like to know what it is that seems to be required by AC so that they can fix what was lacking during their first interview, and fix it before they hopefully have another kick at the cat.
So it looks like that AC is declining a big portion of those whom they interview, eh? I hate how the airline industry does that, don't call tons of people for a job if you have no intention of hiring them. With that said, it seems that the morons always slip through the cracks!
Oh well.
What do you guys think, they hire 50% of those whom they invite to an interview?
The fact remains that supply far exceeds the demand at the top of the tree in Canadian Avaition. Air Canada is the best job going and the result is not everone gets in. It sounds as though the selection process has developed in to a modestly level playing field for all. Good people will get turned away and some retards will slip through. It happens.
If I was trying to get in to AC I would be concentrating heavily on the selection process and not worrying about who has or has not been successfull. That being said if I was one of the many who was turned away I may be questioning the very high success rate of candidates hired early in the recruitment drive. Dig a bit on that one and it may make you cringe, laugh or cry depending on your state of mind. Of course I don't want to start that debate again.
hercpilot, as military pilot you are competeing with other military pilots for the same jobs at AC. As a practice AC does not select pilots strictly from one hiring pool or another. They take so many from off the street, so many from Jazz, so many from tier 2/3 and so many from other sources, ie: expat pilots returning home from working offshore. So, your field of competition is standing around you in the mess. You just have to look at the composition of each new hire class and this will be readily obvious, what is working for you is the Herc time, crew consept is everything in my book. On several ocasions I have worked with ex-mil guys the Herc guys tend to be the best, the fighter jocks, WELL!, lets just say alot of them just don't get it. One ex-major/squadron leader that I flew with was such a lone wolf that I had to read him the riot act twice in one day, and for the next two days I had to ride him like a rented mule. This guy had next to no team work skills, it left me wondering how he made it through line Idoc
LuckyPilot wrote:hercpilot, as military pilot you are competeing with other military pilots for the same jobs at AC. As a practice AC does not select pilots strictly from one hiring pool or another. They take so many from off the street, so many from Jazz, so many from tier 2/3 and so many from other sources, ie: expat pilots returning home from working offshore. So, your field of competition is standing around you in the mess. You just have to look at the composition of each new hire class and this will be readily obvious, what is working for you is the Herc time, crew consept is everything in my book. On several ocasions I have worked with ex-mil guys the Herc guys tend to be the best, the fighter jocks, WELL!, lets just say alot of them just don't get it. One ex-major/squadron leader that I flew with was such a lone wolf that I had to read him the riot act twice in one day, and for the next two days I had to ride him like a rented mule. This guy had next to no team work skills, it left me wondering how he made it through line Idoc
Narrowminded generalizations. I am from a fighter background and I could say the best "crew minded" pilots I have ever flown with have come from the same background. It's also true that the worst crew minded people I've seen come from the Herc and civilian world. But thinking those traits are systemic of their backgrounds is simply not true. Fighter guys are not lone wolves any more than you are so try to keep an open mind. Could your preconceived opinion of fighter pilots have had anything to do with your bad experience?
thats sad to hear. I am an 06 hire, I think I am going to take the quickest emj upgrade in the next bid so I dont have to sling gear for these type of guys if they take it. When flying the 320 as a captain, I had an fo like that. He was not military, but tried to make it a one man show. Personally I didnt care, personally if thought he was the captain i could give a rats ass. Fly upside down in your seat, dont care. (la la la)He can even wear the hat if he was that much of a loser. I only had 2 rules when it came to these chumps, fine be a one man show. 1) i dont like paperwork, and 2) keep it out of the weeds, If i thought either of these 2 rules was to be broken I would put the guy in his place. The flight deck is supposed to be a really laid back, fun, team atmosphere. Dont these jackasses realize that working as a crew makes life much easier. Man we dont get paid enough to work hard. Rant over lol
"Could your preconceived opinion of fighter pilots have had anything to do with your bad experience?"
Now I'm a fairly open minded person so I won't get into arguement over who or what type of pilot makes a good airline pilot. My particular experience with this individual was unfortunate and my only hope is that he walked away with some understanding of what he was doing was not proper, regardless of where and what he flew prior to AC.
LuckyPilot wrote:"Could your preconceived opinion of fighter pilots have had anything to do with your bad experience?"
Now I'm a fairly open minded person so I won't get into arguement over who or what type of pilot makes a good airline pilot. My particular experience with this individual was unfortunate and my only hope is that he walked away with some understanding of what he was doing was not proper, regardless of where and what he flew prior to AC.
You just said the key word...individual. It has nothing to do with where he came from. I've seen a few like him too from all kinds of different places.
but AC does have an opaque system in many regards, even for insiders. This whole HR thing is fairly new, so the age old standards don't seem to apply.
