Things I hate teaching
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Although I am not a working instructor any more, what I really hated was teaching female co-pilots how to dance. Kept stepping on my toes.
The average pilot, despite the somewhat swaggering exterior, is very much capable of such feelings as love, affection, intimacy and caring.
These feelings just don't involve anyone else.
These feelings just don't involve anyone else.
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Shiny Side Up
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Occasionally stuff gets boring to teach, especially when you have a bunch of students all at the same place in their training. The worst is when they all get to doing the circuit. Those few days where you have four to six hours of non-stop hard arrivals are tough for my back to take sometimes and I'm pretty sure my ass has compressed all the padding out of that poor bird's seat. I think some days I'm a few inches shorter at the end. 
Of course then they all solo at the same time too and I just then get to watch them up there having fun by themselves... Don't worry I'll be ok, they just don't need me anymore. No, no you people all go flying, I'll just wait here until you come back... by myself... have fun.
Of course then they all solo at the same time too and I just then get to watch them up there having fun by themselves... Don't worry I'll be ok, they just don't need me anymore. No, no you people all go flying, I'll just wait here until you come back... by myself... have fun.
We can't stop here! This is BAT country!
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Right Seat Captain
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That's where I'm at this week and the last. All my students recently finished at the same time just over a month ago, so I got a whole bunch of new students all at the same time. So now about 5 times a day I'm doing just circuits...Shiny Side Up wrote:Occasionally stuff gets boring to teach, especially when you have a bunch of students all at the same place in their training. The worst is when they all get to doing the circuit. Those few days where you have four to six hours of non-stop hard arrivals are tough for my back to take sometimes and I'm pretty sure my ass has compressed all the padding out of that poor bird's seat. I think some days I'm a few inches shorter at the end.
At lerast in a few weeks it'll all be X-country!-
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To all instructors....
Keep up the good work. I was once a class 4 many , many years ago...Only instructed for 6 months or so before moving on. But, I can relate and appreciate the fine job that most of you do everyday. I now fly corporately, but often revert back to my instructing days, using the old tricks, when upgrading new hires, or line- indoc. pilots. Just a friendly reminder...instructing allows you to build a fantastic base of skills, knowledge, and flying time, however it is only the first step in the learning process...You may not know as much as you think you do! But if you remember that, and have the right attitude you will succeed.
To CYYZ: your pompous attitude is noxious . Please keep your high -brow comments to yourself. And please try not to be bitter when you are passed over for promotion, and advancement by those you look down on.
Keep up the good work. I was once a class 4 many , many years ago...Only instructed for 6 months or so before moving on. But, I can relate and appreciate the fine job that most of you do everyday. I now fly corporately, but often revert back to my instructing days, using the old tricks, when upgrading new hires, or line- indoc. pilots. Just a friendly reminder...instructing allows you to build a fantastic base of skills, knowledge, and flying time, however it is only the first step in the learning process...You may not know as much as you think you do! But if you remember that, and have the right attitude you will succeed.
To CYYZ: your pompous attitude is noxious . Please keep your high -brow comments to yourself. And please try not to be bitter when you are passed over for promotion, and advancement by those you look down on.
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Usually its not the ground school instructor's fault. About half the students I see in groundschool don't take notes, some don't even crack open their FGUs to see what's going on, a few even take a seat in the back of the class and have a nap. Hey, this ain't high school, I ain't going to force you to learn. When its time for class you're only there because you want to be there. Don't feel like paying attention to how the nav log is filled out? Ok, you can pay my briefing rate to learn it again - your choice.
We can't stop here! This is BAT country!
Flight Instruction
It's quite true about cross country training. I used to teach the groundschool classes for navigation and was doing what I could to make it interesting. Many of the students were paying attention, however there are always the ones in the back who seem to spend their time counting holes in the ceiling. I guess they think that sitting in a classroom sucking in oxygen for 45 hours means that they will absorb all the information by osmosis or something. They're grown-ups, you can't really force them to learn, mind you we certainly do our bit to convey the info as best we can in a professional manner.
When it comes to cross-country day, some arrive without even a track line drawn on their map. I guess they think that all the stuff we carefully teach them in the groundschool is just for the written exam and doesn't apply to the real world. I usually go to dispatch with them, cancel the plane so that someone else could use it rather than see it sit on the ground, and THEN take him into a classroom to begin our flight planning. Surprisingly, it seems to take about as long to plan the cross country the first time as it would have been to fly it. I then charge him for the total time I spent with him and have absolutely no problem doing so. After all, I gave up a couple of hours that I could have been logging air time to do what he should have done the night before.
In my case, I was the guy who taught the groundschool class so I know what they have covered. I also went through the flight confuser calculations with them, and handed out an exercise sheet with problems to do. The ones that actually do the exercises do fine, the ones that don't seem to struggle.
I suppose you could call me a heartless bastard, but I was an instructor not a babysitter.
When it comes to cross-country day, some arrive without even a track line drawn on their map. I guess they think that all the stuff we carefully teach them in the groundschool is just for the written exam and doesn't apply to the real world. I usually go to dispatch with them, cancel the plane so that someone else could use it rather than see it sit on the ground, and THEN take him into a classroom to begin our flight planning. Surprisingly, it seems to take about as long to plan the cross country the first time as it would have been to fly it. I then charge him for the total time I spent with him and have absolutely no problem doing so. After all, I gave up a couple of hours that I could have been logging air time to do what he should have done the night before.
In my case, I was the guy who taught the groundschool class so I know what they have covered. I also went through the flight confuser calculations with them, and handed out an exercise sheet with problems to do. The ones that actually do the exercises do fine, the ones that don't seem to struggle.
I suppose you could call me a heartless bastard, but I was an instructor not a babysitter.
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wha happen
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luscombe:
I completely agree with you. It pisses me off to no end when they show up unprepared, and even moreso when they get pissed when you charge them for 2 or 3 hours of ground time. Ive said it before and ill say it again, if you are taking my time, you better believe you are paying for it.
I completely agree with you. It pisses me off to no end when they show up unprepared, and even moreso when they get pissed when you charge them for 2 or 3 hours of ground time. Ive said it before and ill say it again, if you are taking my time, you better believe you are paying for it.
Its the way she goes boys, its the way she goes.
Lets sacrifice him to the crops.
Lets sacrifice him to the crops.
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Yeah, I pulled that one out a couple of days ago. The guy shows up for his first cross country and he wants to do a full stop to have some lunch, but there's no navlog, no track lines and no weather. I felt kinda evil cancelling the plane but if you don't teach it right the first time, he's not gonna learn. When it comes to the groundschool, my favourite was a student who couldn't tell me what topic they covered in groundschool 2 days earlier. Talk about showing up for 40 hours and being ready for the written exam!
Its not so much topics that I hate/enjoy to teach, so much as types of students that I hate/enjoy to teach.
I have a student at the moment who is the most keen, excited, motivated person I have ever met! Just two days after her fam flight, she was on the phone complaining that she was going through withdrawal and HAD to go flying again. This student may not be the next Einstein, but her attitude is in the right place.
Unfortunately, students like that are usually not as common as we'd like. I have a couple of students who feel that reading is for 'nerds', they learn better by doing... well, he did... after 5 hours in a ground brief.
As much as situations like that really annoy me, it usually results in a good chat with my class 1 as he tries to help me understand the student, and attempt to apply a new learning style.
But... that being said, I found forced approaches straight forward to teach. The student at this point can fly the plane on his own. Now, we're putting it together. He knows what the runway looks like in a glide, so we substitue farmer Joe's field for the runway... add in the procedure (checks, radio calls, pax brief etc) and he's all set.
***I feel like the Oscars music is starting to play... when I've said too much... ***
I really like teaching the precautionary. Now you're teaching the student how to think - as well as fly the aircraft. I also enjoy challenging my senior students with this exercise as well.
Okay, I'm done!
- Isis
PS Sorry for the long post.
I have a student at the moment who is the most keen, excited, motivated person I have ever met! Just two days after her fam flight, she was on the phone complaining that she was going through withdrawal and HAD to go flying again. This student may not be the next Einstein, but her attitude is in the right place.
Unfortunately, students like that are usually not as common as we'd like. I have a couple of students who feel that reading is for 'nerds', they learn better by doing... well, he did... after 5 hours in a ground brief.
As much as situations like that really annoy me, it usually results in a good chat with my class 1 as he tries to help me understand the student, and attempt to apply a new learning style.
But... that being said, I found forced approaches straight forward to teach. The student at this point can fly the plane on his own. Now, we're putting it together. He knows what the runway looks like in a glide, so we substitue farmer Joe's field for the runway... add in the procedure (checks, radio calls, pax brief etc) and he's all set.
***I feel like the Oscars music is starting to play... when I've said too much... ***
I really like teaching the precautionary. Now you're teaching the student how to think - as well as fly the aircraft. I also enjoy challenging my senior students with this exercise as well.
Okay, I'm done!
- Isis
PS Sorry for the long post.
Keep Flyin'!
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LostinRotation
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Hehehe.... just an observation but...
I hear in the womens forum there is a thread that deals with industry stereo types and how questions from Pax are always directed at the men etc...and how women tend to get steamed about it.
I try not to be sexist....although it burns my ass to find out a place just hired a woman....because she was a she..not because she was the best for the job....but I digress
Sorry Isis, you seem like a great person and I'm not trying to single you out. Just wanted to say that sometimes a comment or asking the male crew the question isn't intended as sexist, but just a comfort thing or simply how a comment was presented.
Oh and as for things I hate teaching....anything where when you correct the student or give advice how to improve...and they always respond...." Oh yes ", " I knew that " " Oh right " " But I didn't "
.....those communications generally end quickly after a " Ok fine....lets see how well you know _____ " Then they usually come to the realization they don't know everything and they need to listen and pay attention if they want to learn. Only had two students like this and now after an adjustment, one of them is one of my best students that hasn't missed a booking in 3 months and has progressed very well.
LOL ! Just realized how much your students become like your kids and how proud you can be of them...especially the slow to start ones
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I hear in the womens forum there is a thread that deals with industry stereo types and how questions from Pax are always directed at the men etc...and how women tend to get steamed about it.
I try not to be sexist....although it burns my ass to find out a place just hired a woman....because she was a she..not because she was the best for the job....but I digress
Isis wrote:The student at this point can fly the plane on his own. Now, we're putting it together. He knows what the runway looks like in a glide, so we substitue farmer Joe's field for the runway... add in the procedure (checks, radio calls, pax brief etc) and he's all set.
Sorry Isis, you seem like a great person and I'm not trying to single you out. Just wanted to say that sometimes a comment or asking the male crew the question isn't intended as sexist, but just a comfort thing or simply how a comment was presented.
Oh and as for things I hate teaching....anything where when you correct the student or give advice how to improve...and they always respond...." Oh yes ", " I knew that " " Oh right " " But I didn't "
.....those communications generally end quickly after a " Ok fine....lets see how well you know _____ " Then they usually come to the realization they don't know everything and they need to listen and pay attention if they want to learn. Only had two students like this and now after an adjustment, one of them is one of my best students that hasn't missed a booking in 3 months and has progressed very well.
LOL ! Just realized how much your students become like your kids and how proud you can be of them...especially the slow to start ones
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Sometimes I think it's a shame when I get feelin' better when I'm feelin no pain.
..gives head a shake...squints at computer screenLostinRotation wrote:Hehehe.... just an observation but...
I hear in the womens forum there is a thread that deals with industry stereo types and how questions from Pax are always directed at the men etc...and how women tend to get steamed about it.
I try not to be sexist....although it burns my ass to find out a place just hired a woman....because she was a she..not because she was the best for the job....but I digress
Isis wrote:The student at this point can fly the plane on his own. Now, we're putting it together. He knows what the runway looks like in a glide, so we substitue farmer Joe's field for the runway... add in the procedure (checks, radio calls, pax brief etc) and he's all set.
Sorry Isis, you seem like a great person and I'm not trying to single you out. Just wanted to say that sometimes a comment or asking the male crew the question isn't intended as sexist, but just a comfort thing or simply how a comment was presented.
OK.
Dude, it's called "starting another topic."
I can't stand it either when a "she" gets hired just cuz she is a "she" but if I really wanted to get into the reasons I'd start another thread.
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LostinRotation
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I was merely pointing out when refering to a pilot/student pilot alot of ppl don't use the term "they" but instead generalize and say "he"
As for the getting hired because "she is a she" was going off on a tangent and I pointed that out myself. Thanks. I know alot of women that share this opinion and want to be hired for their skills and merit. It was simply an aside to the bigger point of the post and I don't really think it requires it's own thread....if you do, feel free.
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As for the getting hired because "she is a she" was going off on a tangent and I pointed that out myself. Thanks. I know alot of women that share this opinion and want to be hired for their skills and merit. It was simply an aside to the bigger point of the post and I don't really think it requires it's own thread....if you do, feel free.
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Sometimes I think it's a shame when I get feelin' better when I'm feelin no pain.
LostInRotation,
I too had a tough time getting the jist of your point.
When I generalize, I do tend to take the masculine. It may be the french in me "shrugs" but what can you do?!
*laughs* I don't even know to respond to your post! I'm thinking you used my comments to make your point, but I don't believe there were any personal acusations. - and yes, I am a great person
My first scenerio regarding a student was about a female student. My second point about students was a generalization - hence the 'he'. I am not going to play the he/she game.
I do agree with your point about hiring her because of 'her'. I really hope I never find myself in that position.
I understand taking the opportunity to prove your point, but I find it humorous on a personal note as I am the last person to yell 'sexist'!
I enjoy my industry, and its perks! As a student, I was one of the guys... and wouldn't have wanted it any other way.
- Isis
I too had a tough time getting the jist of your point.
When I generalize, I do tend to take the masculine. It may be the french in me "shrugs" but what can you do?!
*laughs* I don't even know to respond to your post! I'm thinking you used my comments to make your point, but I don't believe there were any personal acusations. - and yes, I am a great person
My first scenerio regarding a student was about a female student. My second point about students was a generalization - hence the 'he'. I am not going to play the he/she game.
I do agree with your point about hiring her because of 'her'. I really hope I never find myself in that position.
I understand taking the opportunity to prove your point, but I find it humorous on a personal note as I am the last person to yell 'sexist'!
I enjoy my industry, and its perks! As a student, I was one of the guys... and wouldn't have wanted it any other way.
- Isis
Keep Flyin'!
