I'm sorry, a firearm is not a weapon?
Ummm... you do know why they were invented, right?
That's like saying a sword is not a weapon. Sure you could cut up cardboard boxes with it, but please. I know that people target shoot, but you could do that with paintballs. Or play darts.
Again, I'm not anti-gun, but being offended by calling a spade a spade? It's a weapon, plain and simple. That doesn't make it bad. I own a sword, I'm not evil because of it.
Really, upset over symantics, has the world gone insane?! Next thing you know, NWONT will be ordering a Chai latte and talking about his feelings...
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Just checked with my good friend Webster. He describes a weapon as " any instrument used for fighting". I use my firearms the same way I use my fishing rod, does this make my fishing tackle weapons also. Some years back a guy killed a goose on a golf course with a golf club. Should all golf clubs now be registered as weapons? Many people have been killed with golf clubs, its called blunt force trauma, when used in this way they are weapons. Should we waste another couple of billion regulating clubs? There are 280,000 registered semi-automatic shotguns in Canada, I don't know how many unregistered. The Liberals intend to collect these first. Are you, Mellow Pilot, and the rest of your ilk, too stupid and incompetent to be allowed to own and use these firearms or do you feel the need to have them removed from society? Its so easy to see how the Liberals controlled the population of Canada when they are dealing with mentalities like yours. If we go back 6000+ hits on this thread, the discussion was about a law abiding family being brutalized and demonized by a corrupt political party. The Liberals used the incredible power of our tax dollars to destroy these citizens while the rest of Canada was either oblivious or decided to sit back and let someone else stand against these bastards. I've tried to keep this thread alive to let as many people as I can know whats going on in this matter. Getting the message to you, mellow-pilot and those like you is a waste of time, but there are intelligent, interested people who read this site, who care about having their rights stomped on that I'm trying to reach. You and your ilk will continue to find a word or a phrase to twist around just so you can peck away at your keyboard. I've met a thousand of you as I've travelled around this world. I've watched you head for the mens room everytime a round of drinks is coming to the table, then return to spout off after its been paid. Full of opinions by short of action.
The Liberals are driving us gunowners paranoid.
Those who have registered their guns are afraid they're coming to take them away.
Those who haven't registered their guns are thinking twice about doing so.
And one more nut out on a rampage with a firearm will drive the city dwellers paranoid again.
We're gonna need more psychiatrists.
Those who have registered their guns are afraid they're coming to take them away.
Those who haven't registered their guns are thinking twice about doing so.
And one more nut out on a rampage with a firearm will drive the city dwellers paranoid again.
We're gonna need more psychiatrists.
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Ah yes, the old dictionary defence. Are you retarded? Firearms were invented as a replacement for archers in war. They were invented as a weapon. When you hunt deer, are you chasing them down and having a tickle fight? I assume you kill and eat them. Because they are tasty and you enjoy hunting, not because you're hungry and can't get to a grocery store. So how is an instrument used for killing not a weapon? And why are you such a sally that you're knickers are in a knot over calling a gun a weapon. It kills, that's it's purpose. I thought you 'northerners' weren't a bunch of new-age, politically-correct pansys like the Toronto yuppies.NWONT wrote:Just checked with my good friend Webster. He describes a weapon as " any instrument used for fighting".
Its so easy to see how the Liberals controlled the population of Canada when they are dealing with mentalities like yours.
It's so easy to see how the Conservatives manipulate you. So easily scared into doing what they want... Be afraid, they gonna steal your guns!!!
Reminds me of the manipulation in the states, "Be afraid, the terrorists want to eat your kids!!!! ORANGE ALERT EVERYONE!!!!!"
By the way, I'm no more a card-carrying Liberal than you. And if that's your only answer to people who disagree with you, calling them a liberal... well then I guess it's obvious why nothing ever changes in our political landscape. Now, everyone man the party ramparts, there's blind, illogical partisanism to be had!!!!
For the record,
Liberal Party = yuppie moron thieves
Conservatives = head-buring, bible-thumping, science-ignoring morons
NDP = wussie-assed, unitard-wearing, circle-jerking morons
BQ = HAHAHAHAHA, a federal party bent on dismantling the federation, ok that one's just funny.
Organised politics in this country is much like organised religion. Causes all the problems and we just won't tell them off.
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Dyslexics of the world... UNTIE!
I really hate that this is such a "pickle" in Canada
Four people are killed in this country every day by drunk drivers. Over 1200 Canadians a year, just from that one cause alone
In 2004, one of the worst years for homicide, 633 people were murdered. Approximately 28% of those murders involved firearms.
So in 2004, 177 people were murdered by use of a gun. 85% of those were unregistered (read illegally obtained). If I've crunched the numbers correctly, that means 26 people were killed last year by a registered firearm. Even less than that total were commited by the firearms owner.
Since 1975, firearms deaths have steadily declined
Compare that to:
65,000 deaths from Cancer
50,000 deaths from Heart Disease
3,700 suicides
3,000 deaths in motor vehicle accidents
No amount of deaths are insignificant, but numbers don't lie and it looks to me like we aren't putting enough time, MONEY, or effort into the things that really need it
How many people suffering from cancer or heart disease could we have helped with the 2 BILLION dollars we threw away on the gun registry?
The fact remains that if you take firearms away from legal owners, murders will not stop because the criminals that were doing it in the first place will suffer no ill effects.
In other words, taking guns away from law abiding owners will only boost the perception of safety among the uninformed and maybe win a few votes in the process. Very frustrating...
If you want to see the stats for yourselves, here they are
http://www.statcan.ca/english/freepub/8 ... 02-XIE.pdf
Four people are killed in this country every day by drunk drivers. Over 1200 Canadians a year, just from that one cause alone
In 2004, one of the worst years for homicide, 633 people were murdered. Approximately 28% of those murders involved firearms.
So in 2004, 177 people were murdered by use of a gun. 85% of those were unregistered (read illegally obtained). If I've crunched the numbers correctly, that means 26 people were killed last year by a registered firearm. Even less than that total were commited by the firearms owner.
Since 1975, firearms deaths have steadily declined
Compare that to:
65,000 deaths from Cancer
50,000 deaths from Heart Disease
3,700 suicides
3,000 deaths in motor vehicle accidents
No amount of deaths are insignificant, but numbers don't lie and it looks to me like we aren't putting enough time, MONEY, or effort into the things that really need it
How many people suffering from cancer or heart disease could we have helped with the 2 BILLION dollars we threw away on the gun registry?
The fact remains that if you take firearms away from legal owners, murders will not stop because the criminals that were doing it in the first place will suffer no ill effects.
In other words, taking guns away from law abiding owners will only boost the perception of safety among the uninformed and maybe win a few votes in the process. Very frustrating...
If you want to see the stats for yourselves, here they are
http://www.statcan.ca/english/freepub/8 ... 02-XIE.pdf
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I'm from Ontario, never heard of Wendy. Fill us in.
Gun control only controls registered guns. Honest people register guns.
Criminals don't register guns.
My instructor used to say "which word don't you understand?"
Brings me back to: Why are there exceptions to laws based on race?
Are some races more trustworthy than others?
Smacks of racism.
Look at what the Liberal's agenda will bring.
Some people have not registered their guns. The law is going to look for all semi-automatic guns if Liberals have their way. That should deflect them from pursuing murderers, robbers, rapists, etc., while they root out the newly created class of criminals.
Pump shotguns can put out a rate of fire close to that of semi-automatics, so logically they are next on the ban list.
Rock did say he would like the citizens disarmed. I believe he'll get his way.
Whoa, what about the American hunters. Guess they'll be staying south of the border.
But the reserves straddle the border and Injuns are exempt from our laws, so where will the criminals get their guns from?
There are so many loopholes, created and sustained by the Liberals, that this entire witchhunt will cost billions of dollars and provide not one measure of comfort to any Canadian.
Would you like me to get out my calculator and work out what 8 billions dollars will cost us taxpayers?
Gun control only controls registered guns. Honest people register guns.
Criminals don't register guns.
My instructor used to say "which word don't you understand?"
Brings me back to: Why are there exceptions to laws based on race?
Are some races more trustworthy than others?
Smacks of racism.
Look at what the Liberal's agenda will bring.
Some people have not registered their guns. The law is going to look for all semi-automatic guns if Liberals have their way. That should deflect them from pursuing murderers, robbers, rapists, etc., while they root out the newly created class of criminals.
Pump shotguns can put out a rate of fire close to that of semi-automatics, so logically they are next on the ban list.
Rock did say he would like the citizens disarmed. I believe he'll get his way.
Whoa, what about the American hunters. Guess they'll be staying south of the border.
But the reserves straddle the border and Injuns are exempt from our laws, so where will the criminals get their guns from?
There are so many loopholes, created and sustained by the Liberals, that this entire witchhunt will cost billions of dollars and provide not one measure of comfort to any Canadian.
Would you like me to get out my calculator and work out what 8 billions dollars will cost us taxpayers?
Good to hear someone who can see the forest, instead of just the trees.
Gun crimes capture the headlines, but people who kill themselves on snowmachines, boats, even planes, aren't of much interest to the media.
I suppose the thought of being helpless while being stalked by a gun wielding killer is terrifying.
When the Liberals send out their force to pursue the long gun folks, you'll have even less coverage where it's needed, in the cities.
If anyone thinks that gun registry will impact on urban crime, they're going to be sadly mistaken (forgive the quote).
By the way, I voted Conservative, but I believe all government officials are accountable to the people. I have voted NDP and Liberal in the past.
And I'll vote again when all the facts are in at ballot time.
Gun crimes capture the headlines, but people who kill themselves on snowmachines, boats, even planes, aren't of much interest to the media.
I suppose the thought of being helpless while being stalked by a gun wielding killer is terrifying.
When the Liberals send out their force to pursue the long gun folks, you'll have even less coverage where it's needed, in the cities.
If anyone thinks that gun registry will impact on urban crime, they're going to be sadly mistaken (forgive the quote).
By the way, I voted Conservative, but I believe all government officials are accountable to the people. I have voted NDP and Liberal in the past.
And I'll vote again when all the facts are in at ballot time.
Just google cukier, she is some sort of big cheese at ryerson tech. She is a control freak par none, she was a prime moving force behing the gun laws we have today. After the shootings by Lepine in Montreal, cukier went on a witch hunt to further an agenda which has nothing to do with keeping guns from criminals, problem being is she forgot to look in the mirror. She is a ranting idealogue control freak/feminist of the worst sort, and imho, is largely responsible for creating all the negative press against lawful gun owners. The term gun control should refer to using both hands, anything else is total social engineering nonsense.
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Damn them females, they don't like to be shot at.
This is where hysteria sets in.
Then the salvation comes via registering guns.
Sorry, that won't do it. Bullets hurt from registered guns same as from un-registered guns.
If registering guns could prevent crimes, I'd vote for it and surrender all my firearms except for the 12 gauge which I need for them bears which haven't even been to one of them firearms courses.
I would say that gang busting and keeping those scumbags in jail is the way to curb gun violence.
From what I've heard about Caledonia, the law is an ass.
Should I have overstepped my intelligence threshold, feel free to correct me in any way you deem necessary.
This is a blog, if you can't hack it, go home.
This is where hysteria sets in.
Then the salvation comes via registering guns.
Sorry, that won't do it. Bullets hurt from registered guns same as from un-registered guns.
If registering guns could prevent crimes, I'd vote for it and surrender all my firearms except for the 12 gauge which I need for them bears which haven't even been to one of them firearms courses.
I would say that gang busting and keeping those scumbags in jail is the way to curb gun violence.
From what I've heard about Caledonia, the law is an ass.
Should I have overstepped my intelligence threshold, feel free to correct me in any way you deem necessary.
This is a blog, if you can't hack it, go home.
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Regardless of where you stand on the issue of the U.S. involvement in Iraq,
here is a sobering statistic.
There has been a monthly average of 160,000 troops in the Iraq theatre of
operations during the last 22 months, and a total of 2,112 deaths.
That gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000 soldiers.
The firearm death rate in Washington D.C. is 80.6 per 100,000 persons for
the same period.
That means that you are about 25% more likely to be shot and killed in the
U.S. Capital than you are in Iraq.
Conclusion: The U.S. should pull out of Washington!"
Regardless of where you stand on the issue of the U.S. involvement in Iraq,
here is a sobering statistic.
There has been a monthly average of 160,000 troops in the Iraq theatre of
operations during the last 22 months, and a total of 2,112 deaths.
That gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000 soldiers.
The firearm death rate in Washington D.C. is 80.6 per 100,000 persons for
the same period.
That means that you are about 25% more likely to be shot and killed in the
U.S. Capital than you are in Iraq.
Conclusion: The U.S. should pull out of Washington!"
"What's it doing now?"
"Fly low and slow and throttle back in the turns."
"Fly low and slow and throttle back in the turns."
Curbing organized gang crime would go a very long way to reducing gun crime. HA is the biggest criminal organization going and every last chapter should be shut down. Richmond had a huge shoot out one evening a couple of weeks ago. This crap can be stopped but the political will is not there. These immigrants, who chose to take the criminal route, need to be dealt with severely whether by deportation or locking them up. The U.S. has something like 2 million people behind bars (many of them for 3rd strike offences which are sometimes way over the top - like failure to pay disputed child support for instance and getting 25yrs). My point is that they are on the far end of the pendulum, and the criminals with means are still committing the crimes, we need to find some sort of median.
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And your dad should have pulled out!And Canada should pull out of Toronto and Montreal.
Sorry spook! lol Nothing against you, I just couldnt let that one slide!
Procede with your guns are good guns are bad thingy.
She’s built like a Steakhouse, but she handles like a Bistro.
Let's kick the tires, and light the fires.... SHIT! FIRE! EMERGENCY CHECKLIST!
Let's kick the tires, and light the fires.... SHIT! FIRE! EMERGENCY CHECKLIST!
Well there you go again Mellow-pilot, you, like the Liberals like the word weapon"an instrument used for fighting" to demonize firearms. This would insinuate that when fathers and sons or brothers go out for a weekend of hunting, they are combatants going out fighting. If I take my pen out of my shirt pocket and slam it into your chest, it is now a weapon. That goes for anything else a person would pick up and attack his fellow man with. As I have said my rifle is no more a weapon than my fishing rod, which I use to kill fish. And just for the record I have no idea what a " chai latte" is but I'm sure you or one of your fudge-packing buddies will explain it to me even though I have no desire to know.
The National News just announced the grand opening of the newly rebuilt Toronto airport at a cost of over four billion dollars. This is a new, modern, state-of-the-art facility that will be in use for many years to come. I'm sure this will have a positive effect on Canadas economy. Its very interesting that for about half that much we have managed to register a bunch of hunting firearms which will give us absolutely nothing. Makes you proud to be a taxpayer.
