T.C shuts part of Skyward down

Go Guns · Post by **Go Guns** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:24 pm

There is no "D" Day

As long as Skyward is actively working with TC to get airborne again, TC won't cancel the OC.

Right Seat Captain · Post by **Right Seat Captain** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:14 pm

Chantal wrote:minus 40 below and the plane wouldn't warm up

Is that Celsius or Farenheit?

V1CUT · Post by **V1CUT** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:39 pm

Anything new Kicking around skyward besides tumbleweeds? any news about an OC reinstatement? herd that predium checks were bouncing and the bond payments were defaulting, is it the end of the end????

Kandi · Post by **Kandi** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 6:56 am

Corporate Pilot · Post by **Corporate Pilot** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 1:12 pm

Kandi wrote:TC keeps changing what it is they want the maintenance department to look like and who they want to head it up...

Been there. Done that. Fortunately we never stopped flying during the process. TC sometimes have very odd ideas and want things done their way. Often it becomes a personality battle between the inspector and the operator where the inspector is in no particular rush to do anything.

According to managers K9 isn't bankrupt, but according to some of the line pilots bond cheques and expense cheques are indeed bouncing...

You don't have to be bankrupt to have no cash. But the consequence of having no cash is the inability to meet your obligations as they come due. And that is the definition of bankruptcy. This is where the dominos begin to fall, and fall fast. The next things to happen, in no particular order, will be the loss of their insurance, the issuance of statements of claims and the seizure of assets by the secured creditors including Revenue Canada.

It ain't pretty.

Congrats to the guys getting other jobs and to those who are still looking ...

I doubt there are too many standing around waiting for a miracle but most should have collected their first EI cheques and will be on the road distributing resumes.

If the company somehow pulls up before they reach Vne, there probably won't be anyone suitable to fill the jobs. The best will have already relocated and only the dross will be left.

V1CUT · Post by **V1CUT** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 10:50 pm

sounds like they got the OC back today, i don't have details, but skeleton flights are to resume tomorrow

ice ice baby · Post by **ice ice baby** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:30 pm

Somehow I think Skyward would have changed the notice on their website if they had gotten their OC back.....

snag · Post by **snag** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 12:43 am

Let's not jump the gun boys and girls.

The new Person Responsible for Maintenance (PRM) was accepted by the TC Gestapo, along with some fine-tuning of paperwork, and other such goodies. AOC is still to go. Mind you, this is certainly more positive news than most have heard in a month or more. Maybe TC just got bored with Skyward and is moving on to Perimeter ..... Haha...... ha.... hmmm.... ehhhh ..... ...dumb industry.

Let's hope for the best.

Corporate Pilot · Post by **Corporate Pilot** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:32 pm

V1CUT wrote:sounds like they got the OC back today, i don't have details, but skeleton flights are to resume tomorrow

So how did the flights go???

Busted · Post by **Busted** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:38 pm

As far as I know there were no flights today....
But the company had meetings sked in YTH and YWG this evening.
No details as to what was covered at this point and time....

Last story was that the drivers were told to look for work elsewhere if they didn't get the OC back by Friday.........

scooterguy · Post by **scooterguy** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:38 pm

V1, did you refer to them as skeleton flights because they are so dangerous, or because the company's dead?

scooterguy · Post by **scooterguy** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 9:19 pm

Depends how senior you are and how they merge...if there's truth to this BS anyways. Watch how you shoot your mouth off JUICE, you could be CO-JOE to a SENIOR single engine Pilatapus driver. I'm sure you could show him how to do the engine inoperative procedures!

V1CUT · Post by **V1CUT** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:40 pm

for the flights, obviously they didn't happen and i took the word of rumour

as for the skeleton comment it only meant the couple planes that they have airworthy out of the 26 or so they used to have online.

V

Corporate Pilot · Post by **Corporate Pilot** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:02 pm

lookie here wrote:the company had meetings sked in YTH and YWG this evening....Last story was that the drivers were told to look for work elsewhere if they didn't get the OC back by Friday.........

So? What happend at the supposed meetings? Its Friday and no OC. Or is there no one left that cares?

ice ice baby · Post by **ice ice baby** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 1:31 pm

Well atleast they'll be looking for work when spring hiring is taking place elsewhere. It could have been worse for the pilots if this thing had happened last fall.

NoneSoBlind · Post by **NoneSoBlind** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 5:51 pm

Hey Cee Ess Jay, you MORON, that's rice paddy or paddie, not as in hamburger. Your limited cred is lost when your spelling lines up with your limited grasp of the topic. Back to school, loser.

Rubberbiscuit · Post by **Rubberbiscuit** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:12 pm

Why did a Skyward 1900D get de-iced beside us in YWG last Sunday?

Go Guns · Post by **Go Guns** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:14 pm

Hey Cee Ess Jay, you MORON, that's rice paddy or paddie, not as in hamburger. Your limited cred is lost when your spelling lines up with your limited grasp of the topic. Back to school, loser.

If there is such a thing as forum "cred" I'm not sure thats how to go about getting it...

Anyways, time to feed the dogs.....

From the CBC - Skyward nearly airborne again

Corporate Pilot · Post by **Corporate Pilot** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:16 pm

Rubberbiscuit wrote:Why did a Skyward 1900D get de-iced beside us in YWG last Sunday?

Perhaps it was being flown off to a new owner!?

As long as the aircraft is airworthy and no pax are involved, they don't need an OC to fly them.

Week SIX begins .... and not a peep from any of the ex-employees ...

Canus Chinookus · Post by **Canus Chinookus** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:09 pm

My thoughts are with the people affected most by this, the employees. I hope the best for you, and that your little airline does get through this. Alot of good people have gone through the doors of Skyward over the years, and I know a few there now who are no different.

Hat's off.

Rubberbiscuit · Post by **Rubberbiscuit** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:14 pm

I'm serious.....not trying to give false hope ( or be funny CSJ ).
Like I said, we were getting de- iced on sunday ( the 27th of february 2005 @ 09:00am local time) when Skyward requested a de-ice!!!!
I guess it could have been a private flight??

Corporate Pilot · Post by **Corporate Pilot** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:27 pm

Rubberbiscuit wrote:I guess it could have been a private flight??

Like I say, as long as there are no paying PAX involved, they can fly their own aircraft as if they were privately registered. I imagine there has been a fair bit of management traffic between YTH and YWG.

Busted · Post by **Busted** » Sat Mar 05, 2005 8:02 am

This was found on CBC news - last paragraph is the one i have been expecting for awhile.....
Figured they would be asking for protection sometime soon......

Skyward nearly airborne again
Last Updated Mar 4 2005 06:32 PM CST
CBC News
WINNIPEG – Skyward Aviation expects to get back in the air within the next few business days.

The Thompson-based airline was grounded in February by Transport Canada, which cited "safety deficiencies" found during an audit of the company.

Specifically, officials with Transport Canada said they had concerns with the company's ability to "exercise operational control, which includes record keeping, training and aircraft maintenance," adding that 13 of the company's 25 planes had "airworthiness issues."

FROM FEB. 1, 2005: Skyward Aviation grounded
Skyward vice-president Richard Halliday says the airline has been working with Transport Canada to meet the conditions imposed for the company to get back in the air.

"We have pretty much completed the majority of requirements, but we're just finishing off the last little bit," he says. "We anticipate being back in the air very soon."

A month without ticket sales has dramatically changed the company. Halliday says Skyward will begin flying again on only a few routes, because it will take awhile to rebuild customer support.

The airline previously served about two dozen communities in northern Manitoba and Nunavut. Halliday is not sure if it will ever be possible to fly every route again.

Meanwhile, Skyward has also won court protection from its creditors to allow the company to rebuild slowly, without having to sell off its assets to pay bills.

centerstored · Post by **centerstored** » Sat Mar 05, 2005 8:52 am

Yeah,...and it was also posted 7 posts earlier. Old news.

Dockjock · Post by **Dockjock** » Sat Mar 05, 2005 9:48 am

Perhaps new TC regulations require all aircraft to be deiced daily regardless of whether or not they're going flying?

Ba-dum