Ice Pilots of NWT Series on History Channel this Fall!

[100LL81]

Who would want to work there anyway? There are way better employers up there then Buffalo.

Amen to that!!

[canwhitewolf]

When the prop wouldn't feather I totally cringed, or the no use doing a MAP briefing since we won't have enough power with one windmilling anyway. Also liked the story about the guy falling off a wing and breaking his arm, hope he got WCB. Remember, you have the right to refuse unsafe work practices... ppppffrfft! YEah Right...if you like being on EI.

The guy who fell off that plane was me. And I didn't break my arm, I broke my back. 2 vertibre to be exact. And no, I did not recieve WCB. Another long story. To any new rampies workin at the green hangar just remember, it's a long god damn way down from the wing of a 46 so for f*** sake be careful.

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yea up on a wing like that is terrifying, ive been up on PBY catalina wings/dc3 etc and didnt like it a bit

why didnt they design something they could push or pull to the plane to allow people to do work up there without being physically on the wing or engine nacelle, or a hell of a long handled brush or something

i shudder everytime i see it, even tonnight watching the guy on the engine nacells...aaarg

sorry for your accident blueoval56, hope you recovered

enjoy the show a lot i must say

[flying4dollars]

I wonder how many resumes came flying through the door after the first episode...

[godsrcrazy]

When the prop wouldn't feather I totally cringed, or the no use doing a MAP briefing since we won't have enough power with one windmilling anyway. Also liked the story about the guy falling off a wing and breaking his arm, hope he got WCB. Remember, you have the right to refuse unsafe work practices... ppppffrfft! YEah Right...if you like being on EI.

The guy who fell off that plane was me. And I didn't break my arm, I broke my back. 2 vertibre to be exact. And no, I did not recieve WCB. Another long story. To any new rampies workin at the green hangar just remember, it's a long god damn way down from the wing of a 46 so for f*** sake be careful.

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yea up on a wing like that is terrifying, ive been up on PBY catalina wings/dc3 etc and didnt like it a bit

why didnt they design something they could push or pull to the plane to allow people to do work up there without being physically on the wing or engine nacelle, or a hell of a long handled brush or something


i shudder everytime i see it, even tonnight watching the guy on the engine nacells...aaarg

sorry for your accident blueoval56, hope you recovered

enjoy the show a lot i must say

There are machines designed to do this in the 20th century they are called MAN LIFTS. Just because they run ww2 aircraft doesn't mean you have to have ww2 ops gear , and do things the way they did it back then. I can't believe WCB doesn't shut people wing walking down. Having to do this in the bush is 1 thing. But doing it right on your main base come on already. Frost on wings in a main airport if you can't tie off and sweep safe then its called de ice.

[Donald]

I guess they can't afford ladders with wheels and a platform attached??

Oh no wait, it's the "I-managed-to-get-it-done-without-complaining-or-killing-myself-maybe-you-just-can't-cut-it-here" attitude.

[flyinthebug]

blueoval56..Im sorry to hear about your accident and I can imagine your WCB story would be well worth reading if you feel so inclined to share your story with us. I hope your recovery has gone well.

Good show last night.. A little too much drama when the narrater(sp?) suggested the "threat of stall has been averted for now".. but overall still a good show. I`ll be interested to see if frenchie gets the right seat over Jeremy and if so, what Jeremy will do? They sure are old school up there and yes, the least they could do is buy a freakin lift and lessen the chances of a repeat of blueoval56 adventures.

Keep it comin though!! Its good TV.

Fly safe all.

[Rubberbiscuit]

It is easier said than done finding something that will get you up high enough to sweep the top of the wings. Can't say I remember for sure but believe the top of the wing on the '46 is 16' above ground at the highest point. We used to stand on a pallet lifted up by a fork lift sometimes if the ground was even enough or not to icy. Not any safer really but it worked! I fell and slid off the trailing edge a few times, but it was sheer luck that prevented me from not falling off the leading edge or engine nacelle while sweeping, fuelling or putting on engine tents.

[Donald]

So then is there an exemption to WCB rules governing fall protection? In particular that you MUST have fall protection above 2.4m?

[Dino]

Kind of interested myself why there was no compensation claim. Anyone know when the episode shows up on historytv?

[flyinthebug]

Kind of interested myself why there was no compensation claim. Anyone know when the episode shows up on historytv?

Weds @ 7 & 10 pm Eastern.

[blueoval56]

I guess they can't afford ladders with wheels and a platform attached??

Oh no wait, it's the "I-managed-to-get-it-done-without-complaining-or-killing-myself-maybe-you-just-can't-cut-it-here" attitude.

That's exactly the attitude.

It is easier said than done finding something that will get you up high enough to sweep the top of the wings. Can't say I remember for sure but believe the top of the wing on the '46 is 16' above ground at the highest point. We used to stand on a pallet lifted up by a fork lift sometimes if the ground was even enough or not to icy. Not any safer really but it worked! I fell and slid off the trailing edge a few times, but it was sheer luck that prevented me from not falling off the leading edge or engine nacelle while sweeping, fuelling or putting on engine tents.

I slid off the trailing edge quite a few times as well, not really that big of a deal because you can kind of prepare yourself while you're sliding down. I was 6 feet indoard of the wing tip and fell off the leading edge. Not alot of time to prepare for that.

If you want to know why WCB denied my claim just send a PM.
It won't be in any episode, because it wasn't caught on film and after I found out my back was broken I quit.

[Dino]

Kind of interested myself why there was no compensation claim. Anyone know when the episode shows up on historytv?

Weds @ 7 & 10 pm Eastern.

Sorry, typo I was looking for the episode on history tv website.

[sarg]

So then is there an exemption to WCB rules governing fall protection? In particular that you MUST have fall protection above 2.4m?

My guess is that is why blueoval56 didn't get anything from WCB, claim denied due wllfully disregarding safety regs.

[co-joe]

Sorry blueoval56 I didn't mean to say it was a "funny story", but rather on of those shitty things that happen to good people who accept unsafe jobs as Donald said

Lots of us are guilty of doing dangerous stuff as new hires. I fell off the trailing edge of Borek's Super 3 while cleaning it. Fucking scary! Even though it's only about 6 feet to the ground I had been standing up at the top of the nacelle when I slipped on a mixture of oil, grease, soap and, water, and I felt like I was doing 50 mph by the time I slid all the way down and dropped off the trailing edge. Landed on my feet at a full sprint! Heck, Even falling off the king air hurts if you land wrong.


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[North Shore]

It is easier said than done finding something that will get you up high enough to sweep the top of the wings. Can't say I remember for sure but believe the top of the wing on the '46 is 16' above ground at the highest point. We used to stand on a pallet lifted up by a fork lift sometimes if the ground was even enough or not to icy. Not any safer really but it worked! I fell and slid off the trailing edge a few times, but it was sheer luck that prevented me from not falling off the leading edge or engine nacelle while sweeping, fuelling or putting on engine tents.

Not necessarily so - every time you drive by a commercial construction site you'll see a Genie lift http://www.genielift.com/zb-series/zb-z34n.asp that'd work, I'd think.

[North Shore]

Any one else not able to find todays episode on history.ca i can find 1 and 2.

I dont think they put it up till midnight, eastern time.

Strange, it's 10:30 Pacific on Thursday, and still not up yet?

[sidestick stirrer]

Just wondering, watching the employees sweep the snow off their vehicle windshields to get to the airport, and looking at the wing surface as the overnight snowfall is swept off, there doesn't appear to be any frost or other contaminate adhering to the wing.
At the company I fly for, an assessment of the wing would be made and-if nothing was actually sticking and there was no frost or ice underneath- no effort would be made to remove it as it would all blow off during the takeoff roll.
Wonder why people are risking their necks to do this everyday if the wing is clean underneath the snow which doesn't appear to be sticking at those temperatures.

[MUSKEG]

Not sure i got the gist of your post or not. Are you saying it's ok to start your takeoff roll with loose snow on the wing that is NOT sticking? Correct me if I'm wrong but that is not what the car's says. Oh we have all done it with a scattering of flakes but a layer? There is absolutely no guarantee that it will slide or blow off.

[cyxe]

So then is there an exemption to WCB rules governing fall protection? In particular that you MUST have fall protection above 2.4m?

My guess is that is why blueoval56 didn't get anything from WCB, claim denied due wllfully disregarding safety regs.

Disregard for existing safety regs does not preclude you from getting WCB coverage. That is the whole point of WCB coverage in Canada - no fault insurance in exchange for not being able to sue the employer. (google "meredith principles" if you're interested in the history of that reasoning)

Airlines fall under Federal OHS regulations (Labour Canada). I would be interested to see what they say about cleaning wings that way.

[Sam300]

Why not use a leaf blower for the wings?

[HS-748 2A]

Not sure i got the gist of your post or not. Are you saying it's ok to start your takeoff roll with loose snow on the wing that is NOT sticking? Correct me if I'm wrong but that is not what the car's says.

CAR 602.11
(2) No person shall conduct or attempt to conduct a take-off in an aircraft that has frost, ice or snow adhering to any of its critical surfaces.

[CLguy]

Great series! Kudo's to everyone involved and especially the camera folks for all the great footage.

I see Arnie hasn't gotten any prettier with age!! Would someone please pass that along to him for me!! I gave him his first ride in a CL-415 when he was on the CL-215. Haven't seen him for a few years but great to see he is still strapping the spurs on.

By the way, anyone know how many times he has been fired by Joe?

[godsrcrazy]

Not sure i got the gist of your post or not. Are you saying it's ok to start your takeoff roll with loose snow on the wing that is NOT sticking? Correct me if I'm wrong but that is not what the car's says.

CAR 602.11
(2) No person shall conduct or attempt to conduct a take-off in an aircraft that has frost, ice or snow adhering to any of its critical surfaces.

Exactly i now of people that have been reported to MOT from the tower due to surface contamination. Its a shitty thing for them to do but i believe they can now be liable if they see some thing wrong and don't report it. If you are taking off with snow on your wings you better hope nobody in the tower can see it.

[HS-748 2A]

adhering

It is all such a bunch of BS and ass-covering. "adhering" is the word.

I wonder how many hundreds of gallons of Type II I've seen used at $5.00/litre to hose loose snow off a -20 airplane.

Nothing sticking; just making a mess, wasting time and money.

Adhering is the word. That should be beaten into everybody's head at the annual deice training we all have to endure.

No wonder there's no profit in this business. Nobody can use their heads anymore.

We just cower for fear of 'appearance' and liable..



'48

[godsrcrazy]

adhering

It is all such a bunch of BS and ass-covering. "adhering" is the word.

I wonder how many hundreds of gallons of Type II I've seen used at $5.00/litre to hose loose snow off a -20 airplane.

Nothing sticking; just making a mess, wasting time and money.

Adhering is the word. That should be beaten into everybody's head at the annual deice training we all have to endure.

No wonder there's no profit in this business. Nobody can use their heads anymore.

We just cower for fear of 'appearance' and liable..





'48

very true