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MikeGolfEcho wrote:Curious when a DC3 becomes a C47 and vice versa? I thought the DC3 was the civilian airliner, and the C47 Skytrain was the military version? Mikey said that (at least one) DC3 was used to drop paratroops during WW2... so why isn't it a C47?

Maybe it's because they now use it to carry pax whereas the C46 Commando (also used as an airliner after the war) they have is just for freight??

Just curious :rolleyes:

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I've wondered the same thing... What's the difference between a DC3, a Dakota, a C-47, etc?

Turns out the FAA Type Certificate answers a lot of the questions:

http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_an ... v%2032.pdf

Truncated quote:

"NOTE 8. Models DC3C-SC3G, DC3C-S1C3G and DC3C-S4C4G (Army C-47, C-47A; Navy R4D-1, R4D-5) are
basically the same as models DC3A-SC3G, DC3A-S1C3G and DC3A-S4C4G, respectively. The DC3C-R-
1830-90C (C-47B, Navy R4D-6) is basically the same as the C-47A (Navy R4D-5) except for engine
installation. Certain production changes have been made in some of the aircraft such as forged engine mounts,
forged landing gear trusses, rear brace struts, etc., all of which is interchangeable, are structurally satisfactory
for use on any DC3 aircraft.......

Prior to certification as a civil aircraft, the following must be accomplished:
(a) Each airplane must satisfactorily pass on inspection for conformity, possible hidden damage, and for
workmanship and materials used in making any repairs and/or alterations. All Airworthiness Directive
Notes must be complied with. It should also be determined that the production reinforced wing tips are
installed. The reinforced tip was installed at the factory on serial No. 9000 of the C-47 (R4D-1) aircraft
and all of the C-47A (R4D-5) aircraft (Serial No. 9150 and up) but no rework of the aircraft already in
service was ever required. The reinforced tip can be identified from the standard tip since the revisions
consisted in changing all stringers in the top............

(m) If bullet sealing fuel cells are installed, the following must be complied with:
(1) Inspect the installation to ascertain that tanks are adequately supported, i.e., that tank, when empty,
retains approximately its full shape and such that the weight of the fuel or cell will not cause sagging
or pulling on any connections.
(2) Check tank capacities and gauges. Tanks of this type are known to vary considerably in volume and
the main cells may vary from 180 to 200 gallons capacity while the auxiliary cells may vary from 165
to 180 gallons capacity. Gauges and pertinent placards must show correct capacity for cells actually
installed.
Upon completion of the conversion to certificated status, the manufacturer's nameplate on the aircraft should
be altered to include the date of conversion and the new commercial model designation. In case the original
nameplate is not sufficiently large to include this additional information, a similar plate should be installed near
the original plate. Under no circumstances should the original or any succeeding nameplate be removed from
the aircraft."

It goes on for pages on the modifications and checks required for conversion of a C-47 to a civilian DC3C.
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According to the Ice Pilot NWT Facebook page, the tribute to Arnie will be airing this Wednesday evening on History.

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Thanks for letting me know that they did a tribute to Arnie

Will definitely be watching. Must of been a great guy to learn flying from

To bad gone so young
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wan2fly99 wrote:Thanks for letting me know that they did a tribute to Arnie

Will definitely be watching. Must of been a great guy to learn flying from

To bad gone so young
Little choked up, Brought on some tears.
A great guy!!
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Well saw the show First 1/2 2 pilots left One retired and the other went after 7 years.

Second part really got me Have to admit had some tears in my eyes. Arnie must have been a great guy, somebody you wanted to know and learn from. Lucky are the people who he knew and cared for

Everybody who talked, showed there emotions and there love for the man.

Would have loved to know the guy.

Tp bad this decease take people so young and what they do to your body

Tonight a glass of wine to a great man
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It would have been nice if Shaw Cable out in YYC on their show guide showed the show on History Channel was going to be 'New' with a proper description instead of saying it was an episode from 2009...

Best Ice Pilots episode produced thus far in my opinion...

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Not too many dry eyes in the house after the Arnie tribute.
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amraam wrote:It would have been nice if Shaw Cable out in YYC on their show guide showed the show on History Channel was going to be 'New' with a proper description instead of saying it was an episode from 2009...

Best Ice Pilots episode produced thus far in my opinion...

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+1

On the Arne tribute as well...

Shaw has been messing up shows here too. In fact there are lots of shows that shaw messes up lately and the pvr screws the recording!
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I just finished watching this week's episode and enjoyed seeing "Rollie" in the 215 ..... last time I saw him was about grade ten and throughout public school when we used to fly model airplanes together in our home town .....
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He's good man, lots of fun to be around and has a freight train load of experience and types in his log book.
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Sad to see the CL-215 going across again. Same people minus one. Life is strange

Poor girl though she was going to do her check ride but JOE again deflates the young

Lots of hard work up there, I admire all those young people that are working hard to full fill a dream

PS: I wonder if the girl will come bacl
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Wondering that too. I think she'll be back, but I'm also thinking she's somewhat crazy too. Seven months of back breaking work in a NWT winter? There has to be better places to work up there...?
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Taiser. That is how vicous rumors start. (she's somewhat crazy) You don't know the girl other than what the producers have wanted to show. It's business first, who gives a shit about reputations. Unless you have more concrete evidence of this I suggest you keep you idiotic and stupid opinions to yourself. And for the record, I didn't see the episode and I have never met this girl. But I do know this, any one who puts up with the bullshit at Buffalo and works through the winter in a thankless environment would most likely have some excellent qualities. Been there done that.
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You could have made your point without the language.
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Just last week I was asking a bud,"whatever happened to Rolly". Good to see him still floggin around!
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Anyone know the story on the CL215's? They say Newfoundland and Buffalo on them and are headed to Turkey?
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Your ability to clean an airplane has no bearing on your skills as a pilot OR resemble any of the traits required to be a good First Officer. It's cheap labour, that's it, that's all. It only shows how much crap you're willing to put up with. Once again one of the many problems with our profession placed front and centre for everyone to see. No wonder there are less CPLs being issued year after year.
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MUSKEG wrote:Taiser. That is how vicous rumors start. (she's somewhat crazy) You don't know the girl other than what the producers have wanted to show. It's business first, who gives a shit about reputations. Unless you have more concrete evidence of this I suggest you keep you idiotic and stupid opinions to yourself. And for the record, I didn't see the episode and I have never met this girl. But I do know this, any one who puts up with the bullshit at Buffalo and works through the winter in a thankless environment would most likely have some excellent qualities. Been there done that.
Ummmm....

Wow... you might want to grow a thicker skin there bud! When I said she was somewhat "crazy" it's because of what she is putting herself through, not that she was actually a "crazy" person. Anybody who puts up with the working conditions and abuse up there for that long has my vote for dedication.

Obviously since you say you went through a similar situation, you're taking that comment a bit to heart. So I'm sorry you took it too heart. and got "offended" by it. FYI I've been there too. But if you're that sensitive about things...geezzz

BTW, I call balloon pilots crazy too, said it publicly to them (even have a buddy who does it) and never had anyone freak on me!

Anyways, I usually don't get too offended by internet bullies who feel they have to ram THEIR opinions down a person's throat on a internet thread. FYI, next time, you might want to try the PM feature before going all ape-shit on me, after all, you don't know anything about me either!

This was entertaining, now back to Ice Pilots...
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tincanflyer wrote:Anyone know the story on the CL215's? They say Newfoundland and Buffalo on them and are headed to Turkey?
The Government of Newfoundland and Labrador has purchased 4 CL-415's to replace their 215's. Joe has apparently bought up the 215's and sold them to Turkey (and Korea).
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teacher wrote:Your ability to clean an airplane has no bearing on your skills as a pilot OR resemble any of the traits required to be a good First Officer. It's cheap labour, that's it, that's all. It only shows how much crap you're willing to put up with. Once again one of the many problems with our profession placed front and centre for everyone to see. No wonder there are less CPLs being issued year after year.
I certainly agree that Joe takes advantage of his rampies and treats them beyond poorly, but they've agreed to those working conditions, and could leave at any time if they can't take it anymore. I don't like it anymore than you do, but from Joe's perspective, these kids are auditioning for a role as a pilot and trying to distinguish themselves from the hundreds of others who would be just as capable at flying the airplanes. He's looking for someone who goes above and beyond the already shitty working conditions, and shows they have the work ethic that sets them apart from the other candidates; if someone isn't willing to put in that extra effort, why wouldn't he just hired a first officer off the street?
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I was wondering where Joe was getting these things! It seemed like he had a never exhausting stash of 215's just laying around! :)

Seems like a good idea, pick them up cheap (relatively) and re-sell them abroad, something most governments won't bother doing! Wonder what it cost to ferry them across like that? Even better is how maintenance intensive these things are!!! So how are some of these far away countries going to maintain them, or find parts for that matter?
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Meatservo wrote:You could have made your point without the language.
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Sorry. I lost my patience reading two idiots try to out-bicker each other. You're right.
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Taiser wrote:Even better is how maintenance intensive these things are!!! So how are some of these far away countries going to maintain them, or find parts for that matter?
Not Joe's problem, really... I suspect, in time, that Avgas might well be the limiting factor in the operation of 215s - especially in countries that don't have a thriving GA sector.
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saw yesterdays show

Joe seemed actually nice and not a grumpy old man. Liked pictures of his youth flying days

Question: If CL215 were picking up so much ice, shouldn't they have climbed out earlier? I would have been pissing my pants ice, mid Atlantic ouch. Neat show last night
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Joe has his soft spots.
Don't forget this is a TV show edited for drama.
The 215 can carry a pile of ice. I've been told that if the 415 (same wing) is certified for ice it'll not have any boots or heated leading edge protection on the wing.
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