Potential Airline Bailout

[alkaseltzer]

There is no aid coming. Especially since WestJet just laid off 415 pilots.

We all saw that coming.

Anyone remember when Gerry Schwartz called out Trudeau?

Liberal power couple back Harper on Mideast - https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/na ... le4109511/

Raise your hand if you have a shorter term memory than Trudeau aka “the Original Jim Crow”.

[Curiousflyer]

There is no aid coming. Especially since WestJet just laid off 415 pilots.

Still 10 days before that happens. Hopefully it won’t

[Dh8Classic]

No problem. They can continue on just as before, but without taxpayer money. After all, it is communism where the taxpayer pays for the airline.

You do realize that every other airline in the world is subsidized by taxpayers?

AC will do just fine without a bailout. And WJ has big money backing it. Each of them is going to be quite full in about 4 or 5 months with high prices to match. The bailout is our future ticket prices.

I'm sorry that as a newhire, you are not working now(which definitely affects your opinion on this), but I don't think the taxpayers need to be subsidizing AC or WJ. Maybe Flair when they are soon hit hard by targeted low prices on only the routes that they fly.

[Curiousflyer]

No problem. They can continue on just as before, but without taxpayer money. After all, it is communism where the taxpayer pays for the airline.

You do realize that every other airline in the world is subsidized by taxpayers?

AC will do just fine without a bailout. And WJ has big money backing it. Each of them is going to be quite full in about 4 or 5 months with high prices to match. The bailout is our future ticket prices.

I'm sorry that as a newhire, you are not working now(which definitely affects your opinion on this), but I don't think the taxpayers need to be subsidizing AC or WJ. Maybe Flair when they are soon hit hard by targeted low prices on only the routes that they fly.

Why don’t you think they should be subsidized? On principle? What makes a Canada’s airlines so special as to NOT be subsidized when airlines are subsidized everywhere in the world?

[newlygrounded]

You do realize that every other airline in the world is subsidized by taxpayers?

AC will do just fine without a bailout. And WJ has big money backing it. Each of them is going to be quite full in about 4 or 5 months with high prices to match. The bailout is our future ticket prices.

I'm sorry that as a newhire, you are not working now(which definitely affects your opinion on this), but I don't think the taxpayers need to be subsidizing AC or WJ. Maybe Flair when they are soon hit hard by targeted low prices on only the routes that they fly.

Why don’t you think they should be subsidized? On principle? What makes a Canada’s airlines so special as to NOT be subsidized when airlines are subsidized everywhere in the world?

Because we don't subsidize a lot of things in normal times that other countries do. Everything is expected to make a profit (transit, airports, dairy) Instead of industry bailouts we went with CEWS

[Curiousflyer]

Because we don't subsidize a lot of things in normal times that other countries do. Everything is expected to make a profit (transit, airports, dairy) Instead of industry bailouts we went with CEWS

It’s ironic that you list transit (all transit is subsidized in this country except aviation), airports (operate non profit in Canada), dairy (actually is communist (go and buy a cow and try to sell milk)).

The United States, Germany, France, Denmark, Ireland, Sweden, UK, and Australia all have a wage subsidy program. All have also provided industry specific support for aviation in addition to a wage subsidy.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org. ... comparison

[newlygrounded]

Because we don't subsidize a lot of things in normal times that other countries do. Everything is expected to make a profit (transit, airports, dairy) Instead of industry bailouts we went with CEWS

It’s ironic that you list transit (all transit is subsidized in this country except aviation), airports (operate non profit in Canada), dairy (actually is communist (go and buy a cow and try to sell milk)).

The United States, Germany, France, Denmark, Ireland, Sweden, UK, and Australia all have a wage subsidy program. All have also provided industry specific support for aviation in addition to a wage subsidy.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org. ... comparison

I never said transit isn't subsidized, just that WE expect stuff to stand on it's own despite the rest of the world not working that way. This "new" behavior isn't new.

[Mach1]

I never said transit isn't subsidized, just that WE expect stuff to stand on it's own despite the rest of the world not working that way. This "new" behavior isn't new.

I would be happy if the government stopped acting like a tick trying to suck aviation dry with fees and taxes.

As an example, if airport improvement fees actually improved the airport by fixing runways, taxiways and approach equipment, rather than buying more airports and building shopping malls.

[ayseven]

i have to agree there, Mr Mach. We, the consumers get gouged twice: once by the "non profit" airport agency, and again by the feds. There has to be a change with how the airports are managed, because now, the airport managers make all the money and have so much, they don't know what to do with it all. That should go back to services like ATC, runway maintenance etc, and not fancy totem poles or statues in the waiting room.

I have no problem paying for a ticket where the money goes to the airline, but the airline gets dinged for landing fees etc already, and we pay AGAIN on the add on fees. This system doesn't help the airlines, except to make their prices look lower than they really are. I KNOW the price is very low compared to years ago, but the money should go to the company providing the service, not the airport managers directly.

Transparency is showing where the money goes, and it is never clear with "non profits", because the managers themselves are allowed to skim as much as they want under the law, in ginaormous salaries and perks, as long as the place doesn't show a profit. I mean, that is what Trump does: skims benefits, without showing any income.