Is a Beech 1900D..

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Re: Is a Beech 1900D..

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Shiny Side Up wrote:Actually the garmin and avidyne set ups are very reasonable to learn the ins and outs of if one spends a little bit of time with their simulators which can be aquire to use on one's PC at home. The exercises are comprehensive and the systems are relatively user friendly. Personally the Garmin is more user friendly, but that's splitting hairs. The handbook I acquired on how to instruct with them (and an associated course I took) were very enlightening, and dealing with the various failure modes of the single or multi display set ups. I could go on, but suffice to say it ain't rocket science stuff. Manipulating any of the displays tend to have more commonality than one would think, so transitioning from one system to another really shouldn't throw anyone for a loop.

Definitely any kind of glass makes life easier. What would be its purpose if I didn't? Why is it traeted as if its made life harder? No one has to climb up into the astrodome anymore.
Have you used commercial FMS and EFIS systems? Garmin and Avidyne are made for weekend warriors and doctors, that is their main market. They are specifically designed to be simple for the end user. When you start talking about Glass Cockpits in reference to integrated EFIS/FMS/Autopilot systems, things get more complicated. These are systems that are designed to have certain capabilities, but not necessarily to be easy to learn. I would imagine that when an airline sees this kind of experience on a resume, it is not just valuable because they know the candidate can follow a magenta line, but that there is an inherent avionics system knowledge and understanding of buttonology commonly used in these systems. I have been asked in interviews not just what kind of FMS I had experience on, but particularly what revision of FMS software.

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Re: Is a Beech 1900D..

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It all depends on who you talk to.

I've heard do everything from 'it's so easy I'm an FMS cripple now' to 'you need a PhD, a Mensa membership, and a gazillion hours to figure out modern FMS/Avionics/Autoflight.'

Give me a break.... :roll:
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Re: Is a Beech 1900D..

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Have you used commercial FMS and EFIS systems?
I don't use FMS very often, though I do use EFIS systems all the time. But I sense here you're getting upset since you lump all these things together. For example, this cockpit has an FMS.

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But it could hardly be considered a glass cockpit, no? If we were to follow the train of thought of the OP and what some are maybe confused with here, this machine would be less valuable experience than a 1900 with a glass panel. Maybe that example helps with what I'm talking about?
Garmin and Avidyne are made for weekend warriors and doctors, that is their main market
Funny, I thought we were talking about a Beech 1900 cockpit.

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Now before you get all up in arms, that's a mock up of a STC available for the Beechcraft models, I really couldn't see many operators spending that kind of dough. Lets look at a more common 1900 cockpit.

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Not really a ton of "glass" there compared to the previous one, but some would have you believe that experience in the above one would trump the lower one. Pure BS. This is what I mean by misguided. New pilots should be wanting to master a FMS system, not just look at pretty screens. They should be wanting crew experience. They should be wanting turbine, they should still be wondering how they'll maintain some decent hands and feet.

A "glass" cockpit doesn't really mean anything after all. What constitutes enough "glass" to be one? Two screens? Three? How big do they have to be? With that in mind, what does it mean on a resume?
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Re: Is a Beech 1900D..

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I've always found the fms' that I've used to be easier than any gps I've ever used. All of the sub menus and hidden key strokes were more difficult for me to remember than the systematic process of a fms. I'll take an EFIS setup with a FMS over a G1000 any day.
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Re: Is a Beech 1900D..

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Shiny Side Up wrote: Image
Holy s***! DUAL KLN-90Bs!

:rolleyes:
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plhought wrote:
Shiny Side Up wrote: Image
Holy s***! DUAL KLN-90Bs!

:rolleyes:

And auto pilot!
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