Crash at Iles-de-la-Madeleine

[ehbuddy]

One other interesting point is the Altimeter setting that day. If they were at 29.92 and set their altimeters to 29.93 instead of 28.93 this would have them almost 1000 feet lower than they thought and looking at the relationship of the impact zone to the airport and if they were IMC at the time could be a possible scenario.

However it appears the accident happened on the missed approach side of the airport assuming he did an approach for runway 06. Either way its a huge loss for the remaining family.

[cncpc]

I know the pilot, he lives in Montreal but wasn't able to insure the a/c in Canada so kept it registrated in the US. I flew with him two times.

It's being reported that this was a "chartered" aircraft.

[big_sky]

I believe the pilot was the owner of this CYHU based company http://www.aeroteknic.com/equipe.html

I met him on one occasion, a very professional and polite gentlemen.

Condolences to all involved.

RIP

[Old fella]

Commentary on another blog aviation site relating to this accident indicated Jazz cancelled their ops going in to the Maggies which resulted in this charter.

[The Raven]

Commentary on another blog aviation site relating to this accident indicated Jazz cancelled their ops going in to the Maggies which resulted in this charter.

What is the other blog aviation site you speak of? I have an interest in this accident from another safety perspective and am trying to get as much information as possible. (And no, I'm not a lawyer)

[cncpc]

I believe the pilot was the owner of this CYHU based company http://www.aeroteknic.com/equipe.html

I met him on one occasion, a very professional and polite gentlemen.

Condolences to all involved.

RIP

That article indicates he was an ATP and the company business was aviation products. I don't see any indication that it was an OC holder.

The CBC reports the accident site is near Havre aux Maisons. That is four miles north east of the airport, i.e. on the departure/missed approach side. That's a long ways from the airport to be contacting terrain in what should be a climbout.

Anyways, a very sad tragedy.

[timel]

The copilot was more like a safety pilot (twin ifr instructor). It was probably a way for him to build twin/ifr time.
I guess the plane was privately operated.

[Sulako]

The MU-2 can handle icing just fine actually. Only plane to ever have 2 known icing certification reviews, and passed both times. I've got about 1,100 hours in the thing. I'm going to guess this was CFIT rather than contamination, but that's based on no actual information. So sorry for the friends and family of those affected, my heart goes out to them.

[SuperchargedRS]

I know the pilot, he lives in Montreal but wasn't able to insure the a/c in Canada so kept it registrated in the US. I flew with him two times.

It's being reported that this was a "chartered" aircraft.

If it was flying pt 135, and the ceiling was under approach mins they shouldn't have attempted it.

Of course we all know aviation reporting, you're lucky they didn't call it a single engine Boeing 172.

[av8ts]

I'm not familiar with part 135. I didn't know there was a minimum ceiling to do an approach only a minimum visibility

[DrSpaceman]

I'm wondering how someone can operate a N registered plane in part 135 in Canada with a Canadian company.

[cncpc]

I know the pilot, he lives in Montreal but wasn't able to insure the a/c in Canada so kept it registrated in the US. I flew with him two times.

It's being reported that this was a "chartered" aircraft.

If it was flying pt 135, and the ceiling was under approach mins they shouldn't have attempted it.

Of course we all know aviation reporting, you're lucky they didn't call it a single engine Boeing 172.

A part 135 carrier cannot operate point to point in Canada.

[cncpc]

I guess the plane was privately operated.

With an MP on board, in fact a former Minister of Transport. And free of charge.

[Old fella]

Commentary on another blog aviation site relating to this accident indicated Jazz cancelled their ops going in to the Maggies which resulted in this charter.

What is the other blog aviation site you speak of? I have an interest in this accident from another safety perspective and am trying to get as much information as possible. (And no, I'm not a lawyer)

PPrune, I speakith.........as you probably been around there. Personally it doesn't bother me if you are a lawyer - but if I may be so bold, you drive for AC correct.


http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/5768 ... crash.html

[The Raven]

Commentary on another blog aviation site relating to this accident indicated Jazz cancelled their ops going in to the Maggies which resulted in this charter.

What is the other blog aviation site you speak of? I have an interest in this accident from another safety perspective and am trying to get as much information as possible. (And no, I'm not a lawyer)

PPrune, I speakith.........as you probably been around there. Personally it doesn't bother me if you are a lawyer - but if I may be so bold, you drive for AC correct.


http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/5768 ... crash.html

Correct. My interest has nothing to do with AC though. I am involved with another airport that is similar to the one on Isle de la Madeleine. We are going through some safety issues right now and I just want to ensure that we can learn from this tragedy.

[Old fella]

Correct. My interest has nothing to do with AC though. I am involved with another airport that is similar to the one on Isle de la Madeleine. We are going through some safety issues right now and I just want to ensure that we can learn from this tragedy.[/quote]

No, I wouldn't suggest it would/does(AC), notwithstanding the fact it isn't my business

Good project to be involved with, safety issues at airports believe me as a former TC Aviation CAI who did a stint at Aerodrome/Airport Certification standards at the HQ and Regional levels. Whatever advice you are able to give, hopefully it will be listening to and taken seriously.

Best

[Siddley Hawker]

Commentary on another blog aviation site relating to this accident indicated Jazz cancelled their ops going in to the Maggies which resulted in this charter.

The local - Quebec City - CBC outlet just had a pilot from Pascan Aviation on the local program saying they had also cancelled their flights for the day. Pascan is located at St. Hubert.

[Old fella]

Commentary on another blog aviation site relating to this accident indicated Jazz cancelled their ops going in to the Maggies which resulted in this charter.

The local - Quebec City - CBC outlet just had a pilot from Pascan Aviation on the local program saying they had also cancelled their flights for the day. Pascan is located at St. Hubert.

Questions will be raised about the judgement of the MU-2-60 pilot based on this and Jazz cancelling their operations due WX, needless to say.

[J31]

On the TSB web site:

http://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/enquetes-inves ... 6a0032.asp

Condolences to all affected.

[cncpc]

I guess the plane was privately operated.

With an MP on board, in fact a former Minister of Transport. And free of charge.

Just to correct an error in that, Mr. Lapierre was no longer an MP. He was a media commentator.

[DanWEC]

Bad wx, likely icing too. I won't speculate since information is limited and it's generally in poor taste to do so, but I wonder how they ended up 2km north of the field, coming from the west for (likely) 07?

Just tragic for the family. RIP.

[timel]

I guess the plane was privately operated.

With an MP on board, in fact a former Minister of Transport. And free of charge.

I doubt a well known owner of a specialized avionic shop with certified operators as clients, would be selling illegal 703 services to an ex-Transprort minister. Maybe they were buddies. Who knows.

Owning an ATPL license doesn't mean experience.

[schnitzel2k3]

I'm in agreement with the altimeter theory.

Very easy to listen to an ATIS, and accidentally set 29.93 vs. 28.93 and end up very low on an approach, which seems to be the case (striking the hill). When I saw the METAR this afternoon, that was the first item that caught my eye. People were talking about Icing this and low clouds that...but the MU2 is solid (yes its a squirrelly bird).

I have no idea what equipment was onboard or what an MU2 comes with standard, but it's too bad it wasn't able to help them out in this scenario.

I guess first things first, pull the altimeter and check the setting.

Sigh. Shame.

S.

[costermonger]

I doubt a well known owner of a specialized avionic shop with certified operators as clients, would be selling illegal 703 services to an ex-Transprort minister. Maybe they were buddies. Who knows.

Owning an ATPL license doesn't mean experience.

They were friends, family confirmed that today.

Edit: if Pascal regularly flew this aircraft it probably had one of his lightweight (uncertified) CVR/FDR units on board. I know he always had one in his P210. If so, we might get much clearer answers from the TSB than could otherwise be expected.

[anofly]

if they indeed did come to be damaged on approach to rwy 07, the altimeter error of 1000 ft would have had them hit on the approach side when they thought they were at approx. 500 ft agl , and in fact at minus 500 ft, due to the altimeter error (assuming 1000 ft? error) do I have that part right?
the winds were strong enough that I personally would not have been trying to shoehorn in on a runway with slightly lower mins, and it was not much of a day for circling.... with a reported 200ft... I am sad... condolences... etc

this one stings... and as often happens for foggy crashes, the investigation is happening on a clear and sunny day....the next day....
well now i see the plane crashed south west of the airport, so none of what i wrote before makes any sense, so i changed it.