Canadian ATPL

[whiteguy]

Bringing this post back from the dead again.... there is a little gem of knowledge there that people overlook time and again.
Do your time building at night between ppl and cpl. I wish I had!!!!

Or you can also apply any PICUS at night towards it to....

[lilflyboy262]

Try flying at night in the summer time in the north....
I would if I could, but I'm not getting any night at all (other than what is required to keep current)

[Big Pistons Forever]

Try flying at night in the summer time in the north....
I would if I could, but I'm not getting any night at all (other than what is required to keep current)

I once logged 0.1 night while flying up North. There was 4 minutes between evening civil twilight and morning civil twilight

[X-Savior]

wow, I am willing to bet the original poster already came, got his ATPL, and is now right seat on his A340 and most likely fly's for British Airways now.

Yay for resurrected posts!

[matthew.oommen]

Also, to add to the previous post, if you are time building at night from ppl to cpl, don't do any local flights. Go places, even if it is 20 mins away, night PIC cross country time is the hardest to get. I got my night pic xctry easy because I am an instructor and taught a few night ratings.

Best hours, pic xctry at night on a multi engine, a few hundred hours of that and you'll be laughing from the cockpit of a wide body pretty soon!

[Oxi]

Also, to add to the previous post, if you are time building at night from ppl to cpl, don't do any local flights. Go places, even if it is 20 mins away, night PIC cross country time is the hardest to get. I got my night pic xctry easy because I am an instructor and taught a few night ratings.

Best hours, pic xctry at night on a multi engine, a few hundred hours of that and you'll be laughing from the cockpit of a wide body pretty soon!

Having night XC or even night XC multi engine will have no help in getting you to a widebody aircraft but it will help getting the boxes checked for your ATPL.

[Krimson]

Best hours, pic xctry at night on a multi engine, a few hundred hours of that and you'll be laughing from the cockpit of a wide body pretty soon!

All it got me was sitting here laughing on this couch

[andriy2011]

Could someone give an advice?

I have 1300TT
1050 of them is FO time on 737-3/9
But I have only 116PIC obtained during my PPL/CPL training.

Is there any use of that to get ATPL?

Thanks!

[Oxi]

Could someone give an advice?

I have 1300TT
1050 of them is FO time on 737-3/9
But I have only 116PIC obtained during my PPL/CPL training.

Is there any use of that to get ATPL?

Thanks!

Well if you would like to become a captain on an AC over 12,566lbs or such in medivac operation then yes. You'll need to get the required TC PIC for the ATPL however. Most companies require an ATPL regardless if you want to be a captain on most machines greater than navajo.

[andriy2011]

Could someone give an advice?

I have 1300TT
1050 of them is FO time on 737-3/9
But I have only 116PIC obtained during my PPL/CPL training.

Is there any use of that to get ATPL?

Thanks!

Well if you would like to become a captain on an AC over 12,566lbs or such in medivac operation then yes. You'll need to get the required TC PIC for the ATPL however. Most companies require an ATPL regardless if you want to be a captain on most machines greater than navajo.

I'm thinking of employment as FO on similiar type. But almost every company in Canada is asking for ATPL even for right seat position. As for now I'm flying only as copilot on 737-300/900 and there is no way I can get PIC on 737 as for now. What could be the ways of dealing with that? Go and fly PIC on C172? I think I have much more experience of airline operation then C172's Instructor(who is allowed to have ATPL)

[fish4life]

The thing is in canada they are all asking for an ATPL because everyone with the required experience is going to already have one. Also if I'm not mistaking I believe you need 150PIC in canada for an ATPL

[Chaxterium]

Also if I'm not mistaking I believe you need 150PIC in canada for an ATPL

You need 250 hours of PIC for the ATPL in Canada. However, if you have at least 150 then you can use the PIC Under Supervision program to get the remaining hours that you need. In case you're not familiar with the PICUS program this means that you can count 200 FO hours as 100 PIC hours. There are two drawbacks though in this case. First, the company must be approved for it, and second, you cannot use time acquired under a foreign PIC Under Supervision program to obtain a Canadian ATPL. So in your case Andriy I'm not sure what your options are. You may have to rent a 172 or something similar to get the time. All of this assumes of course that you have the right to work in Canada. Without that you're pretty much out of luck.

Cheers,
Chax

[Big Pistons Forever]

Ah yes PICUS (Pretend I'm in Command Under Supervision) Defintely not one of TC's better ideas......

[andriy2011]

Also if I'm not mistaking I believe you need 150PIC in canada for an ATPL

You need 250 hours of PIC for the ATPL in Canada. However, if you have at least 150 then you can use the PIC Under Supervision program to get the remaining hours that you need. In case you're not familiar with the PICUS program this means that you can count 200 FO hours as 100 PIC hours. There are two drawbacks though in this case. First, the company must be approved for it, and second, you cannot use time acquired under a foreign PIC Under Supervision program to obtain a Canadian ATPL. So in your case Andriy I'm not sure what your options are. You may have to rent a 172 or something similar to get the time. All of this assumes of course that you have the right to work in Canada. Without that you're pretty much out of luck.

Cheers,
Chax

So, basically as far as I understood, getting 1500hrs as FO flying 737 for non canadian national carrier won't help in getting atpl and job?

[Oxi]

It will help getting a job but not your ATPL.

[Chaxterium]

So, basically as far as I understood, getting 1500hrs as FO flying 737 for non canadian national carrier won't help in getting atpl and job?

Yes and no. The 1500 hours as an FO for a non-Canadian carrier can be applied to the Canadian ATPL. Unfortunately though you still need to meet the PIC requirement. To clarify my point, any PIC time that you log anywhere on any plane can be applied to the Canadian ATPL. The only PIC time that CANNOT be applied to the Canadian ATPL is any PICUS time from a foreign airline.

What Oxi said is certainly true. 1500 hours on a 737 will definitely get your resume some looks. And if you were to get hired by a Canadian company that uses the PICUS program then you'd be able to get your ATPL that way.

Cheers,
Chax

[andriy2011]

So, basically as far as I understood, getting 1500hrs as FO flying 737 for non canadian national carrier won't help in getting atpl and job?

Yes and no. The 1500 hours as an FO for a non-Canadian carrier can be applied to the Canadian ATPL. Unfortunately though you still need to meet the PIC requirement. To clarify my point, any PIC time that you log anywhere on any plane can be applied to the Canadian ATPL. The only PIC time that CANNOT be applied to the Canadian ATPL is any PICUS time from a foreign airline.

What Oxi said is certainly true. 1500 hours on a 737 will definitely get your resume some looks. And if you were to get hired by a Canadian company that uses the PICUS program then you'd be able to get your ATPL that way.

Cheers,
Chax

I understood situation with ATPL.
I meant that most of job offers stating that I have to have ATPL even to get into right seat(
Flying Beach 1900 instead of 737 is different kind of fun(

[fish4life]

Again roughly because in canada 1000 hours gets you turbine right seat 2000 is turbine cpt then 3000 tends to be right seat on something bigger, let's say a dash 8 / ATR then 4000 left seat on a 705 turbo prop then 5000 737 right seat min at least with WJ. That said even a lot of other companies will be looking for minimum 500 multi pic to get into the right seat of any 705 jet.

[AVI8NC]

The Requirements for the ATPL are listed below. In order to write the exam you require half of the the total time (1500/2=750 hours). No course is required to write the exam, you can do self-study. No letter of recommendation is required for admission to the exam. Simply show up at a TC office with proof of the required experience. You also nned to have a valid cat 1 medical to write the exams.

I just looked up this topic and this thread came up. I wanted to update that this is not true anymore. The current requirement for writing exams is that you have 25% of the Total Time for that licence or rating.

For the ATPL this means you could write the exam with 375hrs TT. For this exam I think that would be foolish as you're a long way off from the 1500hrs to get the licence, and if you don't get the licence in 24mths from writing your exams, you will need to rewrite the exams, which is a waste of time, effort, and money. Get those hours first!

Standard 421.13(4[f])

(f) all other applicants shall have a minimum of twenty-five percent (25%) of the total flight experience for the issue of the permit, licence, or rating.
(amended 2024/10/10)

[pild04]

The Requirements for the ATPL are listed below. In order to write the exam you require half of the the total time (1500/2=750 hours). No course is required to write the exam, you can do self-study. No letter of recommendation is required for admission to the exam. Simply show up at a TC office with proof of the required experience. You also nned to have a valid cat 1 medical to write the exams.

I just looked up this topic and this thread came up. I wanted to update that this is not true anymore. The current requirement for writing exams is that you have 25% of the Total Time for that licence or rating.

For the ATPL this means you could write the exam with 375hrs TT. For this exam I think that would be foolish as you're a long way off from the 1500hrs to get the licence, and if you don't get the licence in 24mths from writing your exams, you will need to rewrite the exams, which is a waste of time, effort, and money. Get those hours first!

Standard 421.13(4[f])

(f) all other applicants shall have a minimum of twenty-five percent (25%) of the total flight experience for the issue of the permit, licence, or rating.
(amended 2024/10/10)

To add to this, the CARs 400.03 (2)(b)(i) allow the ATPL exams to be locked in for life provided completed before the application for a pilot's "first" type rating. The reg. wording may not imply this but I was provided this interpretation from a TC inspector.