The future

[ditar]

It's pronounced Nucular N-U-C-U-L-A-R

Is that supposed to be some reference to how Bush pronounced it, I hope so at least!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoASZyihalc

[timel]

Nobody knows how Trump is going to make America great again, but here is an essay about US aviation:

http://centreforaviation.com/analysis/p ... ism-312463

[Shady McSly]

A cell phone and the "nuclear briefcase". That's your argument.

Yeah, that's my argument. A 12 year old has better self control than Trump.

Nuclear weapons FOD. Say it with me:

N-U-C-L-E-A-R W-E-A-P-O-N-S.

Jeezuz....settle down.

[Rockie]

It's pronounced Nucular N-U-C-U-L-A-R

No doubt that's how Trump spells it. Shouldn't he show some ability to spell it before he launches one?

Come to think of it that might be what saves the world. Kelly-Anne rushes in to stop him when Trump yells "KELLY-ANNE, WHERE IS THE NUCULAR BUTTON?"

[plhought]

Seriously,

Don't worry, if he gets out of control I think Steven Segal is still kicking around somewhere. TV taught me that he can save us if worse comes to worst.

FOD

Too late - he's already escaped to Russia http://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/st ... -1.3834654

[ChrisEvans]

As Trump operates a S-76, a Citation X and his B757 and has already commented on rebuilding
airports across the USA - I think at the very least he will be a supporter of bizav.

I also imagine those that operate Santa Monica Airport view this positively - where it's common to see Canadian bizjets - and GA aircraft - they have been at war with the City who has been doing everything in their power to close the airport.

It is also the home base for Harrison Ford - a huge supporter of GA and bizav - who backed Trump - I can see them getting together over KSMO.

Last thing they need is a midnight attack like what happened to Meigs Field.

PS; was, and am not a Trump support at all - but I think he'll be good for bizav.
Plus now he will have access to all the USAF SAM Special Mission Airplanes with their
Gulfstream's, BBJ 737, 757 and 747's.

[B208]

1.). What does this have to do with Canadian Aviation?

International agreements of every kind are subject to cancellation or renegotiation by the most nationalistic/anti-trade leader the US has seen. Trump is going to try and undo something that is woven irrevocably deep into this modern world we live in. There are going to be huge economic consequences that WILL affect aviation along with everything else.

In other words just about as much as any other political development.

2.) Trump will be far less damaging than Hillary. I suspect that we just dodged war with Iran.

Since Trump wants to tear up the only agreement holding Iran's nuclear weapon development program in check he's actually making war with Iran more likely.

Nope. Hillary was backed by the Saudi's. Just like Bush Jr was (remember him, he went in and started this whole mess by taking out Saddam for no good reason other than the Saudis wanted it.) The Saudi's want the Iranians taken out. If Hillary was elected we would have been in for Gulf War III, except this time it would have involved the Russians. Also, if you want to believe a simple document will hold the Iranians back from building nuclear weapons, so be it. I don't.

Why do you think nothing got done in the last six years of Obama's administration?

Plenty got done. Race relations are worse than they've been since the civil rights movement. The police are afraid to do their jobs. The middle east has completely imploded. Thank the good lord the Republicans blocked Obama as much as they did.

Trump represents chaos and anarchy - it's why he was voted in.

I think you are confusing Trump with Black Lives Matter.

Did you know there was a poll taken where 22% of Trump supporters actually thought he might start a nuclear war, and they still voted for him.

Was this from the same pollsters who said Hillary was going to win?

Look Brother, I get where you are at today. You woke up to a great big turd in your Corn Flakes, (Even more so because it came as a really nasty surprise). That's where I was when we elected Shiny Pony. Life goes on, you will get over it. Breath deeply and drink heavily.

[Rookie50]

Unfortunately, what happens to Canada as a consequence of the US election is not very high on the list of what American voters worry about.

For whatever reason Canadians always love to look down on the US, but I agree - Canada is about to find out just how dependent it is on the US - economically, militarily, socially.

I find the self importance Canadians carry rather amusing. We are, roughly as significant as Belgium. How often do you wonder about Belgium? It's a big world folks.

[Rookie50]

I just don't get it.

It is amazing to see the vote results for Trump, 8% Black, 30% Latino and Asians, the balance is all white. Let's Make White America Great Again.

This is nothing to do with Trump, but a frustrated, angry electorate. Millions and millions of them. Try understanding that, and will make more sense. And not just in the US, but worldwide.

They all wackos? No, this is a movement.

Perhaps millions of voters are tired of being thought of as "deplorables" by the elite class.

[Longtimer]

I hope Trudeau wears his pink anti-bullying shirt when he's negotiating whatever deal he's forced to after Trump rips up NAFTA.

I somehow think there won't be any cozy selfie-fests at the White House like there were with Obama.

No more hugs for Justin.

[cgzro]

On an aviation note this will lower the price of oil in the US, eliminate any aviation carbon dioxide taxes and reduce corporate taxes giving US long haul flights a big advantage over Canadian. Wont that hurt Air Canada? Its already hard for me to justify AC for the 15hr flights but it may become impossible.

Also I presume the 100LL phase out may get postponed as the EPA gets reorged?

[Rookie50]

Economic basis here are my frank predictions.

Lower Canadian dollar.

Pressure on exporters.

Higher interest / mortgage rates, following theirs, which should do wonders for housing markets.

Translation to all of that: loads of challenges for canadian economy.

Our fair haired PM better learn to negotiate when when dealing with Trump.

Time to grow up, Justin.

[B208]

On an aviation note this will lower the price of oil in the US, eliminate any aviation carbon dioxide taxes and reduce corporate taxes giving US long haul flights a big advantage over Canadian. Wont that hurt Air Canada? Its already hard for me to justify AC for the 15hr flights but it may become impossible.

Also I presume the 100LL phase out may get postponed as the EPA gets reorged?

Now that is aviation related.

[Cat Driver]

Well at the moment I have my motorhome for sale in the USA so every cent the Canadian dollar drops makes me $1600.00, so at the moment I want it to drop.

[pelmet]

Forgive me but that is grasping at a straw. A few points:

1. The Republican party has been hijacked completely by the racist, extremist fringe .......

4. ...... So Trump is going to either do as he says and cater to the xenophobes/bigots/misogynists/nationalists, or he's going to be yet another politician who says one thing but does another. The least frightening one by far is the latter and is the one the rest of the world hopes for. Me, I think he's the former.

Actually, I would say that the Hillary supporters(and I suspect you as well) fall into that category to a much greater degree as can be easily proved...if I particularly wanted to.

[timel]

This is nothing to do with Trump, but a frustrated, angry electorate. Millions and millions of them. Try understanding that, and will make more sense. And not just in the US, but worldwide.

They all wackos? No, this is a movement.

Perhaps millions of voters are tired of being thought of as "deplorables" by the elite class.

If the voters want to make a middle finger to the current system, they should at least try to vote for the right guy. Trump political program is a joke, the whole campaign was a farce, the debates were a disaster for him. When he went to Mexico, he pretty much told them to go screw themselves, I find it depressing that you don't need to make your homework at all in order to be elected as POTUS.

By the way, Trump is part of the 1% / Elite Class and he wants to cut the taxes of the wealthiest, Clinton was more inclined to be involved for blue collars (Obama care, more taxes for the richest...)

Speaking of a "movement", I doubt the national front will make it in France on the next elections.

Economic basis here are my frank predictions.

Lower Canadian dollar.

Pressure on exporters.

Higher interest / mortgage rates, following theirs, which should do wonders for housing markets.

Translation to all of that: loads of challenges for canadian economy.

No way the oil is going to go up anytime soon and the Canadian housing market is overheated. Let's just hope exportations don't go down with the USA.
Harper put us in a lot of trouble, after what happened in 2006, he should have installed measures to reduce the domestic debt, Trudeau will probably have less hairs on his head at the end of his term.

>>> this is actually scary: http://www.macleans.ca/economy/economic ... ign=buffer

On an aviation note this will lower the price of oil in the US, eliminate any aviation carbon dioxide taxes and reduce corporate taxes giving US long haul flights a big advantage over Canadian.

This is a very good point.

[MrWings]

I'm most interested if Trump willingly steps down from the opulence of his 757 to the proletariat Air Force One.

[LittleNelly]

Agree with him or dissagree, but there is no reason to be afraid of anything. People were afraid when Bush won, people were afraid when Obama won..... its the same reaction every time. Its just how the new age of polarising politics are.


Mainly this fear and anger over Trump stems from the false idea that Trump and his supports are hateful racists out on the hunt. This arose from these misinterpretations that Trump is going to 'kick the immigrants out of the country' and 'Ban all muslims from the US'.

Here is what Trumps actual policies are:

"begin removing the more than 2 million criminal illegal immigrants from the country and cancel visas to foreign countries that won't take them back"
In the first instance Trump is not kicking out immigrants who went through the official immigration channels, further more he isnt even kicking out all illegal undocumented immigrants... The only ones to be affected are criminal illegal immigrants, those who have committed criminal acts. For example sexual assault, assault, kidnappings, murder. As a side note to the "Build a wall debate" he follows it by saying 'that wall will have big doors' to let many many legal immigrants in.

"suspend immigration from terror-prone regions where vetting cannot safely occur. All vetting of people coming into our country will be considered extreme vetting."
This is based on analysis of US intelligence officials pointing out that there are circumstances where they are unable to conduct proper security vetting. The solution they are looking for is to improve screening.


Anyway as for actual discussion about impacts on the industry. There are:
1) Gulf carrier and Norwegian access(Protecting american jobs vs consumers)
2) Future mergers(ie Alaska and Virgin facing lots of pressure from Justice department now, will Trump be more or less friendly)
3)Contract negotiations(will he follow the more traditional pro business trend of the republicans or side with his new blue collar backing)
4)updating aviation infrastructure(will he follow through)
5) How will new trade policies affect Boeing

Lots of possible changes coming for the industry. Some will be good, some will be bad. As it is with every administration.

[North Shore]

re: #1 above ^

difficult knot to untie there - consumers want cheap flights, and aviation careerists want good jobs - someone will get thrown under the bus.

"Making America Great Again" -a slogan that hearkens back to the golden age of the 1950s. Pretty much the only country not damaged by WW2 was the USA. They had a huge industrial capacity, great infrastructure, their own oil, and a market for all of their manufactured goods in the rest of the world. Now, the rest of the world has caught up (to a great extent) and there's not a second genie in the bottle...

[fleet16b]

Phffft
I get tired of this Henny Penny the sky is falling crap
Useless thread
.

[FenderManDan]

I'm most interested if Trump willingly steps down from the opulence of his 757 to the proletariat Air Force One.

News mentioned that Air Trump 757 costs $16k per flying hour, AF1 costs $206k per flying hour to operate. I think there are savings to be made to their budget

[timel]

Anyway as for actual discussion about impacts on the industry. There are:
1) Gulf carrier and Norwegian access(Protecting american jobs vs consumers)
5) How will new trade policies affect Boeing

1- Clinton was officially against NAI (http://thehill.com/policy/transportatio ... ying-to-us), Trump isn't less of a protectionist, their chances to get DOT's approval are going down everyday in my opinion, except if they manage to get in before the end of Obamas mandate.

5- China is expected to spend 1 trillion on new aircraft the next 20 years, not sure boeing will be very happy if Trump decide to raise the importation taxes on Chinese goods.

[Rockie]

Agree with him or dissagree, but there is no reason to be afraid of anything. People were afraid when Bush won, people were afraid when Obama won..... its the same reaction every time. Its just how the new age of polarising politics are.

If there's one thing the last 15 years have proven it's that the world had a lot to be afraid of with Bush Jr.

But even then there has never been a President like this one. Trump spent 18 months showcasing on a daily basis that he is not only completely ignorant of any actual governance issues but has no interest or capacity to learn. And any reasonable person would be afraid of an amoral, vindictive, sociopathic 5 year old being the most powerful person on the face of the earth.

What frightens me the most though are the tens of millions of people in the US that elected him. They'll still be there getting progressively more extreme in their views long after Trump is gone, and given the USA's huge economic influence and fearsome military power that's what makes the United States one of the most dangerous countries in the world IMHO.

Trump has a child's understanding of the military despite his boasting, and is on record in favour of nuclear proliferation and use of nuclear weapons in the Middle East. He has repeatedly bragged about and consistently demonstrated his absolute belief in retaliation and retribution X 10. It's been his self-described ethos his entire life - yet millions and millions of people want his finger on the button.

Yeah...I'm scared.

[timel]

What frightens me the most though are the tens of millions of people in the US that elected him. They'll still be there getting progressively more extreme in their views long after Trump is gone and given the USA's huge economic influence and fearsome military power, that's what makes the United States one of the most dangerous countries in the world IMHO.

Maybe the world has been progressing too fast and people are losing touch with what's happening, so they are going for self destruction. It is up to politicians to explain mondialisation to the populations, and it must be done in a responsible way.

[rxl]

Trump's rhetoric has appeal for those who don't like the value the world has placed on bolting fenders on Chevys.