Navajo lands on the street in yyc

privateer · Post by **privateer** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 1:13 pm

Heres the landing. Pretty amazing he didn't hit anything but clipped the right wing.

http://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1218962499992/

Beefitarian · Post by **Beefitarian** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 1:20 pm

mbav8r wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 1:02 pm Not speculating necessarily but if I were to run out of fuel I would very likely feather both engines to increase gliding range, hopefully more too it than that.

They're both feathered. I took a picture of the wing tip laying beside the light standard that trimmed it off but I guess the photo hosting is gone now?

Inverted2 · Post by **Inverted2** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 1:36 pm

Similar to the the several PA31 crashes in YWG years ago when they had air contamination in the fuel system.

Beefitarian · Post by **Beefitarian** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:36 pm

A random young man with a beard on scene taking a picture and marveling at the skills of the pilot said, "They're getting ready to take the wings off."
A guy with TSB on his shirt was pulling a cowl I told him, "They're a ways away from that. They're still checking for reasons the engines had no fuel."
Then he said, "I was told they lost a fuel line and had to shut down to prevent a fire. I could see it too. My uncle is in the airforce and they have procedures."

Made my day to get some prime insider info on the scene. I enjoyed looking at the plane parked there too.

They're lucky it was so calm out this morning. That must have been pretty sporty sneaking under the traffic lights. I wonder if the crew had to go over to the Golden Arches across the street to use the facilities right after securing the plane and passengers. I know I would have.

Cessna 180 · Post by **Cessna 180** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 4:56 pm

From what knowledge of the company (all based on going there somewhat frequently to rent hangar space for the night and once for maintenance), they seem like a stand up company. Clean, new facility. Good mechanics. Not your northern Ontario/Manitoba navajo operator. I feel like this was either someone accidentally topped it up with the wrong amount of fuel, or a mechanical problem (but that seems far fetched for a twin engine failure). They do this trip rather frequently with the Navajo and YXH to YYC isn't a very far trip.

Good work from the pilots landing that machine safely.

pelmet · Post by **pelmet** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:18 pm

Cessna 180 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 4:56 pm From what knowledge of the company (all based on going there somewhat frequently to rent hangar space for the night and once for maintenance), they seem like a stand up company.

Interesting name. Super T Aviation...owner...Mr. Super.

Reminds me of Fast Air......owner....Dillon Fast.

Some people just have the right family name for their company.

C.W.E. · Post by **C.W.E.** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:26 pm

"I was told they lost a fuel line and had to shut down to prevent a fire.

It has been a lot of years since I last flew a Navajo ( 1989 I think ) but I don't remember any fuel line leak that would make me shut down both engines that close to an airport, however if a wing was on fire and I thought it was about to burn off I would get it on the ground real fast.

Any signs of a fire on that machine?

rigpiggy · Post by **rigpiggy** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:00 pm

Doing a quick flight plan, using ybw as an alternate, you need about 70gallons to be legal. With 6 onboard, you could fill the mains, and still be around 500# undergross(ymmv) I wouldn't have left with out a soft fill on the mains"never too much fuel unless your on fire". Whoever drove her in deserves a scotch, single malt of course, conversely if they caused the issue"your the PIC, you are responsible," then hopefully they get a little fuel bung reaming. It can happen to anybody, but it is our responsibility to make sure it doesn't......

rigpiggy · Post by **rigpiggy** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:03 pm

Super Theresa isn't it

C.W.E. · Post by **C.W.E.** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:07 pm

Having sufficient fuel for a flight is about as basic as it gets.

Billy the Goat · Post by **Billy the Goat** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:46 pm

If it was fuel exhaustion I’m sure it’ll still take two years for us to hear about it.

C.W.E. · Post by **C.W.E.** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:07 pm

If it was fuel exhaustion I’m sure it’ll still take two years for us to hear about it.

The TSB has to be sure of their findings before they release them.

Just imagine if you or I ran a business that was as inefficient as the TSB.

The taxpayers should refuse to fund any organisation that is as inefficient and vague in their findings as that one.

MrWings · Post by **MrWings** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:23 pm

Is there any archived ATC feed out there for this time period? It is my understanding that they called ahead reporting low fuel.

co-joe · Post by **co-joe** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:53 pm

rigpiggy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:03 pm Super Theresa isn't it

The one and only.

Beefitarian · Post by **Beefitarian** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:03 pm

I suspect there was a miss understanding as in, "Did they fuel up the HO last night?" "Yeah I think so." "Alright let's load up and go."

I have doubts about it being empty, then when they fueled up someone didn't calculate enough to squeak in the trip, trying to buy cheaper fuel in Calgary. I'm sure it's less expensive in The Hat.

More than once I have had someone mock me for dipping the tanks after they were "just filled" I'm just going to take look myself thanks.

rigpiggy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:03 pm Super Theresa isn't it

I think CTV said the owner was Terri Super.

They moved the plane off the road you can get pretty close to look and still be outside the police tape. I'm guessing they will truck it home in the very early morning.

C.W.E. · Post by **C.W.E.** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:18 pm

I suspect there was a miss understanding as in, "Did they fuel up the HO last night?" "Yeah I think so." "Alright let's load up and go."

Taking off without ensuring you have enough fuel for the flight goes beyond being careless, it boarders on being criminal.

Was that a single pilot flight?

Redneck_pilot86 · Post by **Redneck_pilot86** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:47 pm

C.W.E. wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:18 pm
I suspect there was a miss understanding as in, "Did they fuel up the HO last night?" "Yeah I think so." "Alright let's load up and go."
Taking off without ensuring you have enough fuel for the flight goes beyond being careless, it boarders on being criminal.

Was that a single pilot flight?

News somewhere said 2 crew and 4 pax.

infiniteregulus · Post by **infiniteregulus** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:00 pm

https://www.liveatc.net

CYYC, 0600z feed. You can hear them call -> C-FCWW

Zaibatsu · Post by **Zaibatsu** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:36 pm

C.W.E. wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:07 pm

If it was fuel exhaustion I’m sure it’ll still take two years for us to hear about it.
The TSB has to be sure of their findings before they release them.

Just imagine if you or I ran a business that was as inefficient as the TSB.

The taxpayers should refuse to fund any organisation that is as inefficient and vague in their findings as that one.

If it was fuel exhaustion, it will be a Class 5 occurrence and out in a matter of months, just like the dozens of Class 5 reports they release every year from accidents as a result of uncreative stupidity.

Liftdump · Post by **Liftdump** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:18 pm

i would think if you just sumped the tanks the answer would be evident in under a minute.

C.W.E. · Post by **C.W.E.** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:22 pm

i would think if you just sumped the tanks the answer would be evident in under a minute.

So why does it take months to release the findings?

Is it because there are so many airplanes crashing due to fuel exhaustion the TSB just can not keep up?

digits_ · Post by **digits_** » Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:59 pm

Liftdump wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:18 pm i would think if you just sumped the tanks the answer would be evident in under a minute.

Just because there is no fuel in the tanks after the landing, doesn't mean there was not enough fuel in the tanks at take-off.

While unlikely, fuel leaks, engines burning/leaking more fuel, fuel lines that break etc are all possible causes and should be investigated before publicly accusing the pilots of leaving without enough fuel.

Beefitarian · Post by **Beefitarian** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:55 am

The more I look at the pictures and video of this the more I agree with the crowd raving about this being a great landing.

So much stuff to prevent her from bringing it in there with the minimal damage sustained.

Blue Yonder · Post by **Blue Yonder** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:06 am

It's been a while since this NOTAM was issued but, make me wonder if the AVGAS issue played a hand here.

CYHQ
180001 CYHQ NATIONAL
CYHQ POTENTIAL QUALITY ISSUE OF FUEL 100LL (JET A NOT AFFECTED)
DISTRIBUTED BY IMPERIAL OIL (EXTENT UNKNOWN)
VERIFY LOCALLY FOR AVBL
1802160008 TIL APRX 1802231800

ditar · Post by **ditar** » Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:25 pm

I’ve never flown a Navajo so I have no experience with it. How reliable/accurate are the fuel gauges?

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