.'s incident with TC

[Rockie]

The side to this story that has never been presented here and never will be is Transport Canada's. It's certain they have one.

While I don't dispute some posters have a flair for the dramatic, I have no problem believing .'s side of the story on this one. I've been closely involved in dealing with a similar personality type TC inspector. A lot of them are indeed professional and can even admit when they are wrong, some are not. If using a law/rule to your advantage triggers a personal vendetta response from an inspector because that inspector's personal believes are that something is illegal/"unsafe", that person is not fit to serve in an inspector/enforcement role.

The correct response should be to back up those believes with rules and regulations. If he can't find it, it's not up to the inspector to create rules or impose extra restrictions. That is not his job. He has to enforce the existing ones. Those personalities seem to have a problem making that distinction.

I'm not disputing any of that. Just pointing out that we haven't heard TC's or the individual inspector's side of the story, so the story is incomplete. . is not the warmest and fuzziest of people especially when he percieves he is being challenged. Unless this is a late development in his personality it's possible his initial response to the inspector was less than diplomatic.

You know, you can say to a cop "sure, here's my license officer" or you can say "f**k off and get a real job" and get a different response. Some people just make their lives difficult by being difficult. I'd like to hear the other side of the story.

[C.W.E.]

The side to this story that has never been presented here and never will be is Transport Canada's. It's certain they have one.

Well Rockie you have made a very good point.

To get Transport Canadas side of the story would not be that difficult.

Contact me and let me know who's story you are interested in as there were several very high ranking T.C. officials involved in the process and each of them were directly involved and will have their own story to tell.

There are only two ways I can think of to get their side accurately and that would be by reading transcripts of the story or by talking directly to the people involved which would be easy as all you have to do is tell me which persons you would like to talk to and I will give you their names.

The paper transcripts could probably be gotten under FOI so let me know what exactly you would like to know and we together might be able to get the information.

And last but not least I have quite a pile of material in my files.

There you go Rockie that really was not all that difficult was it?

Now in my personal opinion the important part of that process was each of us had a story to tell and each of had plenty of time to tell our stories, when it finally came down to who's story fit best into the rule of law it was decided my story was chosen.

[Rockie]

Sure, give me the file number . and I'll see if I can find it before I lose interest. As for personal stories of the people involved, maybe out of fairness you could invite them here yourself for an equal airing of perspectives.

I'm just not prepared to jump on your bandwagon on your word alone. Lacking the other perspective I guess that means I'm not on your bandwagon.

[C.W.E.]

As for personal stories of the people involved, maybe out of fairness you could invite them here yourself for an equal airing of perspectives.

I'm just not prepared to jump on your bandwagon on your word alone. Lacking the other perspective I guess that means I'm not on your bandwagon.

You want me to post the names of all the T.C. officials who were involved in that long going process here on Avcanada. just to get you on my bandwagon?

[Rockie]

Not at all. Invite them privately since only you know their names. You can tell them you've been saying some very unflattering things about them and their colleagues for many years now and would like to offer an opportunity to give their side of the story.

See if they're willing.

[C.W.E.]

Not at all. Invite them privately since only you know their names. You can tell them you've been saying some very unflattering things about them and their colleagues for many years now and would like to offer an opportunity to give their side of the story.

See if they're willing.

Rockie all that has been done over and over on these public forums in the time frame it took place, over and over I have publicly named them and in public stared my opinion of their actions.

If you are so determined to delve into this again feel free to do so on your own time, I have more important things to do then help you get their story.

If they refuse to co-operate with you then I guess you will just have to find some other way to entertain yourself.

By the way I understand you still fly for Air Canada, if you do I wonder what Air Canada would think of what I perceive to be your trying to belittle my reputation.

Because I truly believe that is what you are doing and I am not prepared to just let it continue.

[CpnCrunch]

It's file #5015-12391 according to .'s posts on another forum, and . as a 300 page word doc he can email you.

[C.W.E.]

It's file #5015-12391 according to .'s posts on another forum,

That looks to be correct CpnCrunch, I am not interested in going into my files looking for it.

and . as a 300 page word doc he can email you.

If Rockie wants my records he can get a court order to force me to release them.

I am not interested in helping him in his weird need to try and show I did something illegal or immoral to deserve the trashing me and my company took from TCCA's top management trying to defend the actions of an employee they fired for denying me my right to operate a business.

Rockie, do you still fly for Air Canada?

[Bede]

I think cat could probably meet Rockie's curiosities by posting the successful court judgement or minutes of settlement. That would have the final unbiaded word by a judge.

Why not post those?

[C.W.E.]

I think cat could probably meet Rockie's curiosities by posting the successful court judgement or minutes of settlement. That would have the final unbiaded word by a judge.

The findings of my complaints against TCCA were made by TCCA internally as I could not afford the money it would have taken to go to a court...therefore a judge did not decide my case, TCCA did internally.

There were two important decisions reached.

One was I was denied due process under law.

Second I was awarded $250,000 for my losses, which I have yet to collect.

Why not post those?

I guess I am just tired of being asked to prove that these issues are factual.

In other words if Rockie or anyone else think my claims about this issue is untrue then so be it, it is just not worth it to me to keep trying to show proof that these issues are true.

[CpnCrunch]

If Rockie wants my records he can get a court order to force me to release them.

Well you did offer on another forum to email that Word doc to anyone who was interested.

[C.W.E.]

Well you did offer on another forum to email that Word doc to anyone who was interested.

Yes that is true.

All Rockie needs to do is contact me and give me his real name and address and I will do my best to find that word document and send it to him.

Remember all that took place many years ago and it may take time to find it.

I feel it is reasonable to know who exactly I am sending such personal documents to.

He or anyone else are free to use this information to ask for it under FOI.

It's file #5015-12391 according to .'s posts on another forum,

[SkySailor]

Rockie, you must be a pain in the ass to fly with.

[C.W.E.]

All Rockie needs to do is contact me and give me his real name and address and I will do my best to find that word document and send it to him.

Lets see if he really wants to see the document I don't think I am being unreasonable to know who I am sending it to.

[C.W.E.]

Rockie, you must be a pain in the ass to fly with.

Well for sure he is sure being a pain in my ass, figuratively of course not literally.

[flyinthebug]

Come on Rockie...you have been here long enough to remember when . 1st shared his story with us. He was very forthcoming and named many names in TC that were directly involved with his file. He named the DGCA by name...as the man that promised him the 250K in damages. TC has had 15 years to sue him since he 1st made the allegations...and why do you figure they have not pursued legal action against . if what he was saying was all BS?

As I recall Rockie, you like to rock the boat. You know, and anyone else that has been here since 2004 or earlier knows that . was always open and forthright with ALL information regarding his case. How about just giving the man a break. You can search the threads back to 2004 and many will have all the names you are seeking, all in Chucks honest posts. I am not on any bandwagon, and as I said 99% of the TC inspectors I dealt with in my career were great, and even easy to talk to and learn from. While that is true, so is the fact that 1 in 100 are just plain nasty...and live to make our lives as miserable as his own likely is. I chose to believe . back when I 1st heard the story maybe 15 years ago...and have no reason to doubt him now either. Oh and I can make this type of judgement as I did have the opportunity to meet . back in the 90s when he was doing some contract flying at the company I flew for at the time. Great man...very willing to share his experience with us younger guys and never got tired of talking airplanes. So maybe meet . for a beer before you say you are not "jumping on his bandwagon". Your mind might change if you actually knew Cat!

Fly safe all.

[CpnCrunch]

. laid out the reasons for the incident on another forum:

"Prior to applying for a FTU OC I had accidently run into one of M&M's inspectors while returning a maintenance manual to a local AMO....
..he wanted to know what I was doing with a maintenance manual, he was an arrogant uncivil S.O.B. and his attitude was such that I advised him that I was not about to be treated like crap by him or anyone else, the conversation went down hill and I finally told him exactly what he could do with his attitude...the next year when I was submitting my maintenance manual to the local M&M office..guess who my inspector was, yup, him."

[C.W.E.]

CpnCrunch.

Thanks for posting that because it has been a long time since I thought about it and had completely forgotten that part.

I was going to see if I could find the file in my garage but the more I think about the more it brings back memories of something I would rather forget.

When my wife passed away in 2010 everything went black for about a year and a half because I was in shock so deep I can not recall hardly anything about that time, but for sure the file was not something I wanted to see because it reminds me of how supportive she was during the period I was defending myself from TCCA.

Now I would rather not keep thinking about it because there is very little positive about that episode in my career except the satisfaction of knowing I had the determination to stand up to wrongdoing and Pene supported me.

I am not going to say anything more in this thread because I have no more to say, except if others wish to comment feel free to do so but I am finished defending something I do not have to defend.

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[photofly]

.,

I don’t feel this way very often, but right now I just want to give you a big hug.

[PilotDAR]

I am finished defending something I do not have to defend.

'Sure sounds fair to me!

[flyinthebug]

.,

I don’t feel this way very often, but right now I just want to give you a big hug.

Agreed 100% Photofly.

., I did not know about the loss of your wife in 2010. I send my most sincere condolences to you my friend. May she RIP GBNF.

One final comment...I agree that you have nothing to defend. That part of your life is long behind you now, and no need to bring up and rehash such an old topic. Dont let Rockie get under your skin...he is pretty good at it, and I am sure he has perfected his skills in the last few years I have been away from the forums here.

Take care and fly safe.
FTB

[Rockie]

My god. All this started when I suggested . and the wannabe’s troubles with transport may be self-induced, based primarily on their loving personalities and the nonstop shit they throw in TC’s direction. Then . being the delicate snowflake that he is thought I was slandering him. He also went on a rant about this particular case when I didn’t even specifically mention it. But since he did, I merely pointed out nobody has heard TC’s side of the story which is true, and I’ll bet it’s a good one.

Now . thinks I’m trying to besmirch his good reputation which suggests:

A) I think he has a good reputation to begin with, and;
B) I care.

Neither is true.

Get over yourself . W. ..

[Cliff Jumper]

The findings of my complaints against TCCA were made by TCCA internally as I could not afford the money it would have taken to go to a court...therefore a judge did not decide my case, TCCA did internally.

Second I was awarded $250,000 for my losses, which I have yet to collect.

So, TC 'internally awarded' you $250k?

Is that even something that TC can do?

Has it ever done this in another case?

Sounds unusual to me. Very unusual.

[confusedalot]

The side to this story that has never been presented here and never will be is Transport Canada's. It's certain they have one.

While I don't dispute some posters have a flair for the dramatic, I have no problem believing .'s side of the story on this one. I've been closely involved in dealing with a similar personality type TC inspector. A lot of them are indeed professional and can even admit when they are wrong, some are not. If using a law/rule to your advantage triggers a personal vendetta response from an inspector because that inspector's personal believes are that something is illegal/"unsafe", that person is not fit to serve in an inspector/enforcement role.

The correct response should be to back up those believes with rules and regulations. If he can't find it, it's not up to the inspector to create rules or impose extra restrictions. That is not his job. He has to enforce the existing ones. Those personalities seem to have a problem making that distinction.

Bingo. It's the rules that talk, not the inspector. The inspectors who actually know their job are the ones you never hear about, because they are simply brokers in a system. Again, sad indeed, a very small minority in there need to use pretzel logic for the sole motive of personal justification. At the very least, federal court, far from being perfect, is at least a stopgap to abusive behavior. For those of you out there that think transport is 100% populated by fine upstanding people, god bless you. Had the unfortunate experience to witness otherwise.

[SkySailor]

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I joined AvCanada in 2009. Prior to this, I followed the forums for a few years. There were a number of posters, rich in experience, and sociable in attitude, that I have enjoyed reading as they posted their aviation experiences. The "quality" of these forums (and success or validity of this website) are directly related to the vast amount of experiences they bring to this cyber meeting place. I consider you to be one of these posters, and I thank you for all you have contributed. Let it be known, that although I don't quite understand the decision you made to publicly identify yourself (in this world of nutcases), I understand that EVERY posting you put online, needs to be carefully considered before hitting the "Submit" button. You do not have the luxury of hiding behind an avitar, and posting condescending, arrogant, inflaming, rude, and generally worthless posts. I respect the posting of your aviation experiences, and pretty much ignore the nameless egos, that only demonstrate insecurities. One of these days, I would like to make it to the island, and meet up with you.

AvCanada has lost so many informative posts over the past few years by knowledgeable people, who brought a lot to this site, and have, for many reasons, moved on (Andrew....where you?).

I'm wondering.....was this thread started because a few posters were bored, and decided to drag out glowing embers and re-ignite?