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[gwengler]

All I am saying here is that I believe the pilot did not want to be seen (or heard) flying, that's why he flew in the middle of the night. He owned several airplanes which were stationed both in Burlington as well as in Brantford. He flew from Burlington to Brantford. The radar picture (attached) may indicate that it was not snowing a lot in Burlington which may have lured him into this flight. It looks also that it was snowing potentially heavier (stringer?) in Brantford.

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[JasonE]

Yikes- I wonder if ATC tracked him, likely being only VFR target in their sights.

[pelmet]

All I am saying here is that I believe the pilot did not want to be seen (or heard) flying, that's why he flew in the middle of the night.

Why?

Sounds like there might be something a lttle bit even more "interesting" to this story. What other airplane types did he own?

[gwengler]

It is actually very sad.

He owned a 182 and a 150 or 152.

[A346Dude]

http://www.bst-tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-r ... O0153.html

[jakeandelwood]

Very strange him being up in that weather at that time.

[broken_slinky]

The report doesn't paint a very flattering picture of the events leading to the accident.

[rookiepilot]

Very sad. I knew this pilot and he was a true gentleman.

[gwengler]

I was at the pilot's funeral (we were hangar neighbours) and someone said "he just would not accept that he wasn't allowed to fly anymore". Very sad, he was just such a nice gentleman and his wife who died with him was also such a nice lady. They stuck together like glue especially since after she was in the grips of Alzheimer's.

[pelmet]

I was at the pilot's funeral (we were hangar neighbours) and someone said "he just would not accept that he wasn't allowed to fly anymore". Very sad, he was just such a nice gentleman and his wife who died with him was also such a nice lady. They stuck together like glue especially since after she was in the grips of Alzheimer's.

I am not advocating flying illegally without a medical, but he could have chosen to not fly in poor weather and not be somewhat intoxicated. Aside from a CAR violation, everything would still be here.

[rookiepilot]

I am not advocating flying illegally without a medical, but he could have chosen to not fly in poor weather and not be somewhat intoxicated. Aside from a CAR violation, everything would still be here.

Pelmet just shut up.

You are contributing NOTHING by your comments on something and someone you have zero personal understanding or knowledge of.

What part of that DON'T you understand?

MOD's. Enough. Another thread wrecked.

[pelmet]

I am not advocating flying illegally without a medical, but he could have chosen to not fly in poor weather and not be somewhat intoxicated. Aside from a CAR violation, everything would still be here.

Pelmet just shut up.

You are contributing NOTHING by your comments on something and someone you have zero personal understanding or knowledge of.

What part of that DON'T you understand?

MOD's. Enough. Another thread wrecked.

I believe you are the one who wrecked a thread again. Insults in reply to an accurate statement discussing an accident.

[rookiepilot]

I would suggest if the goal is educational, and not the gossip and holier than thou commentary that wrecks that goal ---- for those seriously interested in studying accidents, watching a number of AOPA,s Air Safety Institute videos would cover any number of GA scenarios well, without needing to speculate on this poor couple's outcome.

Can't we just call it tragic and leave it there?

[gwengler]

One person is a troll and the other person feeds it. Both destroy the forums. Just leave it alone.

[laminar]

66mg/100ml of blood is up there. At my work Christmas party I drank 2 schooners and 4 bottles of beer over the course of 3 hours to get to 31. To think I would have to double that and attempt flying would be insane.

[Old fella]

Hard accident report to read and as well a sad situation. Transport pulls the pilots medical for what has to be a very specific reason, the pilot continues to fly regardless, appears to be covering up that fact. Undertakes a trip late at night in an aircraft not certified for conditions flown and beyond the pilots own capabilities while under the influence of alcohol. Terrible tragedy needless to say.

[pelmet]

I would suggest if the goal is educational, and not the gossip and holier than thou commentary that wrecks that goal ---- for those seriously interested in studying accidents, watching a number of AOPA,s Air Safety Institute videos would cover any number of GA scenarios well, without needing to speculate on this poor couple's outcome.

If you feel my post or thread or anything else is inappropriate, then press the button on the post with the exclamation mark to send it to the moderators and tell them that you feel it is not conforming with the rules of the forum. They will deal with it just like it appears that your buddy from the previous thread has been dealt with( and you too in the past).

As for the pilot in this accident, it would be a perfect case study for an anti-authority attitude. No medical, bad weather, intoxicated which equals extremely irresponsible and resulted in multiple deaths and aircraft loss. And it could have killed others on the ground.



Some people just don't like the harsh truth.

[rookiepilot]

I would suggest if the goal is educational, and not the gossip and holier than thou commentary that wrecks that goal ---- for those seriously interested in studying accidents, watching a number of AOPA,s Air Safety Institute videos would cover any number of GA scenarios well, without needing to speculate on this poor couple's outcome.

If you feel my post or thread or anything else is inappropriate, then press the button on the post with the exclamation mark to send it to the moderators and tell them that you feel it is not conforming with the rules of the forum. They will deal with it just like it appears that your buddy from the previous thread has been dealt with( and you too in the past).

As for the pilot in this accident, it would be a perfect case study for an anti-authority attitude. No medical, bad weather, intoxicated which equals extremely irresponsible and resulted in multiple deaths and aircraft loss. And it could have killed others on the ground.



Some people just don't like the harsh truth.

....I have no words, Pelmet. You're not educational. You're just mean.

[CpnCrunch]

This pilot's behaviour easily meets the definition of criminally negligent manslaughter. It's baffling that anyone would defend this guy.

[pelmet]

I would suggest if the goal is educational, and not the gossip and holier than thou commentary that wrecks that goal ---- for those seriously interested in studying accidents, watching a number of AOPA,s Air Safety Institute videos would cover any number of GA scenarios well, without needing to speculate on this poor couple's outcome.

If you feel my post or thread or anything else is inappropriate, then press the button on the post with the exclamation mark to send it to the moderators and tell them that you feel it is not conforming with the rules of the forum. They will deal with it just like it appears that your buddy from the previous thread has been dealt with( and you too in the past).

As for the pilot in this accident, it would be a perfect case study for an anti-authority attitude. No medical, bad weather, intoxicated which equals extremely irresponsible and resulted in multiple deaths and aircraft loss. And it could have killed others on the ground.



Some people just don't like the harsh truth.

....I have no words, Pelmet. You're not educational. You're just mean.

Now I am mean.

By the way...for your education:

1. Anti-Authority:
"Don't tell me."

This attitude is found in people who do not like anyone telling them what to do. In a sense, they are saying, "No one can tell me what to do." They may be resentful of having someone tell themwhat to do, or may regard rules, regulations, and procedures as silly or unnecessary. However, itis always your prerogative to question authority if you feel it is in error.

You can get educated about it here.....

http://www.avhf.com/html/Evaluation/Haz ... _Intro.htm

[pelmet]

This pilot's behaviour easily meets the definition of criminally negligent manslaughter. It's baffling that anyone would defend this guy.

Don't be mean CpnCrunch. Rookie has been defending all kinds of people like this. Do something that you shouldn't do and burn down a row of hangars and peoples aircraft.....don't be mean.

Someone is grabbing their suitcase from the overhead bin and blocking you from escaping an aircraft on fire and you will die....don't be mean.

Get sued by someone for no good reason at all....don't be mean.

Get drunk, fly without a medical, crash in crap weather....don't be mean.

Could there be something in his aviation or other background that happened and won't accept fault, and therefore take personal offence at my simply pointing out things like this? It defies logic and ruins threads.

[C.W.E.]

it would be a perfect case study for an anti-authority attitude.

Where is the connection to anti-authority?

I don't see where flying VFR in obviously poor weather at night under the influence of alcohol fits that description.