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Gabriel:

You are not alone with English as a second language, I'm a Newfie North American Indian cross breed and I also have problems with English. :mrgreen:

I hope you find what you are looking for, good luck.

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Just some advice,

Be careful with places that give anyone who does an instructor rating a job.

What usually ends up happening is the owner uses the job as a way to sell the rating. What then happens is the school is now full of instructors but there are still only so many students to go around and everyone starves. Breeds a very bad work environment where everyone fights and stabs each other in the back to get students. Especially if it's a place where you aren't assigned students, you have to get them yourself. FIRST ONE OFF THE INSTRUCTOR COUCH WINS!

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Hotel Tango wrote:Just some advice,

Be careful with places that give anyone who does an instructor rating a job.

What usually ends up happening is the owner uses the job as a way to sell the rating. What then happens is the school is now full of instructors but there are still only so many students to go around and everyone starves. Breeds a very bad work environment where everyone fights and stabs each other in the back to get students. Especially if it's a place where you aren't assigned students, you have to get them yourself. FIRST ONE OFF THE INSTRUCTOR COUCH WINS!

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Apparently in some schools this is the norm. Their motto is "Treat them mean, and keep them keen!" Little do they, the ones in charge of this line of reasoning, know that this WILL bite them very, very, very hard in the future.
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Shtinky wrote:
Hotel Tango wrote:Just some advice,

Be careful with places that give anyone who does an instructor rating a job.

What usually ends up happening is the owner uses the job as a way to sell the rating. What then happens is the school is now full of instructors but there are still only so many students to go around and everyone starves. Breeds a very bad work environment where everyone fights and stabs each other in the back to get students. Especially if it's a place where you aren't assigned students, you have to get them yourself. FIRST ONE OFF THE INSTRUCTOR COUCH WINS!

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Apparently in some schools this is the norm. Their motto is "Treat them mean, and keep them keen!" Little do they, the ones in charge of this line of reasoning, know that this WILL bite them very, very, very hard in the future.
Oh, I hope so. I know a man who has it coming. Anyone believe in Karma? How can someone get mad at you for being 15 mins late for an unpaid duty day? Lucky I showed at all.
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Carrot on the stick

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Seems to me that I worked for one of those places during my instructor days... "treat 'em mean, and they'll stay keen".

Another thing to be wary of is the proverbial "carrot on the stick". I finished my instructor rating at a place that constantly reminded me that there were plenty of instructor jobs available as long as I kept doing my PGIs and paying for dual with my Class 1. The second I returned from successfully passing my ride with Transport, all of a sudden the jobs just didn't seem to exist anymore. Incidentally, there were the same number of staff working the day before I did my ride, and the same number of staff after. Oh well, chalk that one up to being naive, stupid or just plain too trusting.

I did manage to get some work elsewhere and did get hired at the place I did my rating at once I had a class 3, but that was a year down the road. The place was busy enough to keep the wolf away from the door, but it was a cut-throat kind of place for the instructors.

If you could avoid making the same mistake I made and research the place better, you should have a much better time with your rating and subsequent employment.
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Luscombe wrote:Seems to me that I worked for one of those places during my instructor days... "treat 'em mean, and they'll stay keen".

Another thing to be wary of is the proverbial "carrot on the stick".
Another "carrot on the stick" is this: "If you work hard you'll be promoted in the company." This my friend is hogwash(Sooooweeee!!!) :roll:
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Shtinky wrote:
Luscombe wrote:Seems to me that I worked for one of those places during my instructor days... "treat 'em mean, and they'll stay keen".

Another thing to be wary of is the proverbial "carrot on the stick".
Another "carrot on the stick" is this: "If you work hard you'll be promoted in the company." This my friend is hogwash(Sooooweeee!!!) :roll:
Carrot also = I'll direct more students/bussiness towards you if you do this, this and this (unpaid of course)

Carrot = I'll let you teach on the twin and you'll get Multi time!
Or course the place I was didn't have that carrot. Anyone with the instructor rating, regardless of experience could teach/fly the twin if he paid for his own PPC. Yes, a ppc on a light twing training aircraft in order to teach multi-ratings.
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Sorry Gabriel, I hope I'm not discouraging you from getting the Instructor rating. It was a good experience for me and I wouldn't be where I am now if I didn't instruct for a year and a half. Just hoping to help. My christmas gift to you is the gift of awareness. These owner/operators are out there so be careful, you'll never find that "perfect" school that treats and pays you the way you deserve, but some are worse than others. Maybe a school that doesn't just give away jobs is a better route to go. You may not get the job right after you finish but when you do, you may be better off for it. On the other hand, I did get my job right away and I was treated like crap by the boss but I got the experience of the first job and that made me marketable to other schools and that got me my second job. Second place, better than the first but in the end that didn't go that great either but put the two experiences together and I was able to get the job I have now, flying turbine aircraft for a good company.

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Hotel Tango... :D ...you and I perhaps know the same person. You're right about making others aware of the potential problems. I too was a wide-eyed instructor wannabe. I truly believed that if I worked hard things were going to turn in my favor.

Gabriel, I never regretted getting my instructor rating. Being an instructor has taught me many things about myself and others. However, in some new ways, I've discovered that life isn't fair. Some of my friends work very hard and they never get a chance to teach Multi-IFR, while other newbees are not only allowed to do this, they actually are promoted by the CFI. This is just one example.

Gabriel there are politics everywhere you go. Every family has problems and it's never smooth sailing. However, some families not only have problems but they are completely dysfunctional. When you get your instructor rating work hard at it. Put 'blinders' on and dont pay attention to company politics no matter how odious. Be diligent at your work and always remember that you're an 'alien resident' in that company and you should be willing to leave if things dont work out.
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Thanks a lot!!

Post by Gabriel »

Hi Hotel Tango, Shtinky and Luscombe, thanks a lot for your advices, opinions and personal experience I apprecied it very much!!!, your opinions and those from other guys are very very welcomes.
Enjoy the chrismas time with family and happy 2006!!!!
Sincerely

Gabriel.

(Sorry for my grammar)
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