ALPA Jumpseat Question

[derateNO]

Why deny it? Because our pilots are entitled to a seat in the cabin when deadheading, and the company overselling a flight is not a reason to push a young and naive pilot into the JS to make room for rev passengers. I've seen it happen too many times, and when I get asked for JS now I always ask if it's for DH. If it is DH, then it's always no.

Some people, especially new pilots or FA's who don't know how to stand up for themselves in fear being on probation in front of a bully CSA/Gate Agent so I do that for them by making it a non issue.

I never deny actual JS for anyone commuting or flying on passes.

[av8ts]

Nothing worse as a commuter than being left behind because a DH pilot sat in the js

[hithere]

If I’m asked to put take a DH in the JS, I always ask the gate agent if there are any commuters trying to get on the flight. If there is not, then I ask the DH if they are being forced by the gate agent to relinquish their seat in the back. If the answer to both questions is no then I might take the DH in the JS(sometimes the JS is a better place to be than stuck in a middle seat in economy)

[ahramin]

At some companies there is a significant bonus for taking the jumpseat on a deadhead. As Hithere has stated, it's important for the Captain to understand if it's a fellow pilot or flight attendant asking for a jumpseat, or if it's the company. The jumpseats belong to the pilots, not the company.

[rxl]

Nothing worse as a commuter than being left behind because a DH pilot sat in the js

If this happens on your own airline then, agreed. That’s why it’s important for the captain to find out the who's and why’s of jumpseat requests.

Hopefully this will change soon, but as of right now, the flight deck jumpseat is NOT available to OAL pilots. With oversold flights, that last seat in the cabin is going to go to a fare paying passenger (reciprocal jumpseaters generally have the lowest priority of ALL standby passengers) not an OAL pilot trying to ride on a reciprocal “jumpseat” pass. It makes no difference in this situation whether a POS space DH crewmember rides in the flight deck or not.
Who knows, maybe getting one more fare paying passenger on the flight will free up a seat on the next one.

[digits_]

At some companies there is a significant bonus for taking the jumpseat on a deadhead. As Hithere has stated, it's important for the Captain to understand if it's a fellow pilot or flight attendant asking for a jumpseat, or if it's the company. The jumpseats belong to the pilots, not the company.

Right. And the plane is the captain's personal property as well?

Some of the jumpseat related statements get ... interesting ....

[rxl]

All ALPA members should have a look at the jumpseat page on the ALPA website, paying particular attention to the jumpseat policies and etiquette.

[ahramin]

At some companies there is a significant bonus for taking the jumpseat on a deadhead. As Hithere has stated, it's important for the Captain to understand if it's a fellow pilot or flight attendant asking for a jumpseat, or if it's the company. The jumpseats belong to the pilots, not the company.

Right. And the plane is the captain's personal property as well?

Some of the jumpseat related statements get ... interesting ....

Well, we have to draw the line somewhere. The plane is definitely not the Captain's personal property, and the pilots are not the company's personal property. Somewhere between those two extremes is where that line gets drawn. Historically for airline pilots and personally for me, who gets to sit in my flight deck as a passenger is definitely up to me. You are entitled to your own opinion, and if your self worth is at a level that requires you to give up that control to your employer I can only suggest that you consider why that is. It may be affecting other, more important areas in your relationship with your employer.

[rxl]

I'm not sure what this has to do with anyone's self worth, and no one said anything about giving up control over the jumpseat.
Control over the jumpseat means you either allow access to it or you don't based on the operational situation at the time.

[Capt. Underpants]

The jumpseats belong to the pilots, not the company.

Funny. I’ve never seen that written anywhere in a lease or purchase agreement.

[derateNO]

The Captain controls who is in the flight deck during flight. It's as simple as that.

The only exception is if there is someone from the regulator who requests it with a legitimate reason.

If you think the company can just put anyone in the JS and tell the Captain "you have to have this person in the flight deck with you" there would be a lot of flights staying on the ground.

Who sits in the JS 100% belongs to the discretion of Captain and no one else.

[av8ts]

At Jazz there is a order of priority for the js in the COM. Dh pilot is ahead of commuting pilot. If you deny the js to anyone then you cannot take someone who is lower on the list.
However, I have denied a DH pilot when asked by an agent and took a commuter. Never heard anything back from the company about it.

[derateNO]

I've done it as well.

It also says in the Collective Agreement that all deadheading pilots are entitled to a seat in the cabin.

Why anyone would give up their seat unless it's say a YYJ-YVR or something which I could understand is beyond me.

I had a gate agent once try to force me into the JS of a CRJ when deadheading YVR-YWG.

[Canoehead]

At Jazz there is a order of priority for the js in the COM. Dh pilot is ahead of commuting pilot. If you deny the js to anyone then you cannot take someone who is lower on the list.

Not quite. DH pilots are not even listed in the COM (It's a mute point... the C/A says DH pilots get a seat in the back).
A pilot on POS Space business travel is a different thing.

[rxl]

The Captain controls who is in the flight deck during flight. It's as simple as that.

The only exception is if there is someone from the regulator who requests it with a legitimate reason.

If you think the company can just put anyone in the JS and tell the Captain "you have to have this person in the flight deck with you" there would be a lot of flights staying on the ground.

Who sits in the JS 100% belongs to the discretion of Captain and no one else.

I would say that the captain controls IF someone sits in the flight deck jumpseat not WHO sits in the jumpseat. As someone has already pointed out, there is the COM mandated hierarchy of jumpseat riders that must be followed. Pass priority and seniority comes into play for those travelling on passes. Someone has also correctly pointed out that if the jumpseat is denied to one it's denied to all.

[av8ts]

At Jazz there is a order of priority for the js in the COM. Dh pilot is ahead of commuting pilot. If you deny the js to anyone then you cannot take someone who is lower on the list.

Not quite. DH pilots are not even listed in the COM (It's a mute point... the C/A says DH pilots get a seat in the back).
A pilot on POS Space business travel is a different thing.

Ok, I thought the POS business travel was referring to DH pilots.