When is Air Transat likely to resume flights

[FL-280]

Neo’s are going to be flying a lot! I guess good planes fly in hard times.

[TFTMB heavy]

As long as the quarantine rules lift in Canada and those destinations we’ll pick up steam pretty quickly. If not, that schedule will get slashed.

[flybyyou]

when do you guys think the 14day self quarantine rule will be removed?

[TFTMB heavy]

when do you guys think the 14day self quarantine rule will be removed?

Lot's of talk around July 1st for many countries.

[TFTMB heavy]

when do you guys think the 14day self quarantine rule will be removed?

Lot's of talk around July 1st for many countries.

And now this...
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/travel ... -1.5632625

That might delay some recalls unfortunately.

[Gilles Hudicourt]

This is very bad news......

If each country does its own thing in its corner instead of using universal standards based on a common reference, its going to be chaos.

If they arrive from a foreign country other than the U.S.

The order covering the US is separate and for now ends July 21.....

At the same time, the EU is allowing Canadians in, but not US citizens. The EU also stated

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/european- ... -1.5632422

The EU said China is "subject to confirmation of reciprocity," meaning it must lift all restrictions on European citizens entering China before Chinese citizens will be allowed back into the EU.

So reciprocity is a factor for the EU. They may not take kindly that they allow us in while we do not reciprocate......

[Localizer]

There is a glimmer of hope .. seems like they extended the program as a stopgap measure until new criteria can be agreed on. I would hope, expect this to change in the coming days, weeks.

[780Pilot]

The EU putting Canada as a safe country for travel is a start. We just gotta get rid of the 14 day quarantine and then Transat should do alright. I know there is lots at play however this is a big part of it.

[Jean-Pierre]

14 day quarantine extended until August 31. Nobody is going anywhere this summer.

[RRJetPilot]

14 day quarantine extended until August 31. Nobody is going anywhere this summer.

Where is this referenced?
I cant find August 31 anywhere.

Thank you

[goldeneagle]

14 day quarantine extended until August 31. Nobody is going anywhere this summer.

Where is this referenced?
I cant find August 31 anywhere.

Thank you

It was actually July 31

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canada- ... -1.5005997

[Grey_Wolf]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/travel ... -1.5632625

[172cptn]

Looks to me that there’s 2 dates, first is entry to travellers who are not Canadian citizens, and the second is quarantine for anyone arriving into Canada.

Extended to July 31 - travel ban that bars entry to all travellers who are not Canadian citizens, permanent residents or people entering from the U.S. for "essential" reasons

Extended to Aug 31 - the federal government is also extending strict quarantine rules requiring travellers to isolate for 14 days upon their arrival in Canada

Also, a separate order prohibits non-essential travel between Canada and the U.S. and remains in effect until July 21

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/travel ... -1.5632625

[garfield]

Looks to me that there’s 2 dates, first is entry to travellers who are not Canadian citizens, and the second is quarantine for anyone arriving into Canada.

Extended to July 31 - travel ban that bars entry to all travellers who are not Canadian citizens, permanent residents or people entering from the U.S. for "essential" reasons

Extended to Aug 31 - the federal government is also extending strict quarantine rules requiring travellers to isolate for 14 days upon their arrival in Canada

Also, a separate order prohibits non-essential travel between Canada and the U.S. and remains in effect until July 21

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/travel ... -1.5632625

Exactly

[Jean-Pierre]

It is possible Trudeau would let a hundred airlines fail if it meant saving one life. We might question it but many of his base would agree so we should not be surprised if this is his policy. Women and urban male vote count just as much as your vote.

[The Hammer]

The UK didn't waive the 14 day isolation requirement for Canada.....

[Fanblade]

The UK didn't waive the 14 day isolation requirement for Canada.....

I’m not sure why we should be surprised. Even the exemption from the EU requires reciprocity.

Anyone hear a word on the subject of EU reciprocity from JT?

Silence from him means he is going to do nothing. It’s his hallmark.

I think it is pretty obvious Canada is going to stick with quarantine and pass on offered reciprocity agreements with other countries.

That means 14 day quarantine outbound and inbound for all Canadians. A month of quarantine to travel outside our boarders.

[Daniel Cooper]

I’m not sure why we should be surprised. Even the exemption from the EU requires reciprocity.

Not true according to CBC. EU only required reciprocity from China with the latest announcement.

[Gilles Hudicourt]

From the EU itself

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/pres ... countries/

Reciprocity should also be taken into account regularly and on a case-by-case basis.

Applies too all, not just China

[Fanblade]

I’m not sure why we should be surprised. Even the exemption from the EU requires reciprocity.

Not true according to CBC. EU only required reciprocity from China with the latest announcement.

As Gilles pointed out. China Is singled out as needing to show reciprocity first before the exemption applies. All other countries are given the benefit of the doubt about their willingness to participate and reciprocate. Time is needed to assess reciprocity from countries considered safe.

If they don’t this applies.

Reciprocity should also be taken into account regularly and on a case-by-case basis.


So what is Canada planning? If we insist on quarantine for people from the EU we won’t be reciprocating.

All JT needs to do is nothing and the travel bubble with the EU will fall apart.

This was announced on July 1.

https://simpleflying.com/canada-foreign-traveler-ban/

I think there was some wishful thinking this was just temporary until Canada had a chance to bring in an exemption for the EU in response.

It looks to me Canada just said thanks but no thanks. Our ability to travel to the EU this summer looks at risk of dying on the vine.

[Daniel Cooper]

From the EU itself

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/pres ... countries/

Reciprocity should also be taken into account regularly and on a case-by-case basis.

Applies too all, not just China

Can you point out where it says reciprocity applies to all, not just China?

[Gilles Hudicourt]

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/pressco ... ip_20_1035

Given that the health situation in certain third countries remains critical, the Commission does not propose a general lifting of the travel restriction at this stage. The restriction should be lifted for countries selected together by Member States, based on a set of principles and objective criteria including the health situation, the ability to apply containment measures during travel, and reciprocity considerations, taking into account data from relevant sources such as ECDC and WHO.

I don't read the word China anywhere here.

This BBC article gives some background info:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53222356

Then came France, insisting on reciprocity. If a non-EU country was barring flights from the bloc, argued Paris, they shouldn't appear on the list.

And finally: diplomatic considerations. How awkward for the EU to include some countries but not others. Thumbs up to visitors from Canada, Japan and China from 1 July - if Beijing allows EU visitors entry - but not travellers from the US.

[Fanblade]

From the EU itself

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/pres ... countries/

Reciprocity should also be taken into account regularly and on a case-by-case basis.

Applies too all, not just China

Can you point out where it says reciprocity applies to all, not just China?

Last line under the heading of Criteria reads:

Reciprocity should also be taken into account regularly and on a case-by-case basis.

[Jean-Pierre]

Hey guys I think it might be decided on case-by-case basis. I can't decide which is fake news this thread or the dozen media outlet reporting Canada is not quarantined entering EU.

[Fanblade]

Hey guys I think it might be decided on case-by-case basis. I can't decide which is fake news this thread or the dozen media outlet reporting Canada is not quarantined entering EU.

Canadians currently do not have to quarantine going to the EU. They are paying for tickets and hotels based on this.

The problem is that could abruptly change without reciprocity from Canada. Reciprocity that was refused about 5 days/3 working days ago when the Canadian government extended quarantine without exemption for EU residents.

The correct answer is we have no idea how the EU will react to Canada not reciprocating.

Perhaps they will let it go. Perhaps they won’t.

Either way people are currently planning vacations based on no quarantine to the EU and JT hasn’t even mentioned that his quarantine extension may have killed the deal.