Airlines ask MP’s to have COVID rules relaxed ..

[Heliian]

All of you talking about how we should just open it all back up need to take a look south today and see how that's working out for them.

We didn't have that amount protests and riots here. Viruses don't care about people's politics and take advantage.

It's not the protests. It's the shopping, restaurants, nail salons, pool parties and just general assembly of people that is causing the resurgence in the states that opened up too early.

[fishface]

All of you talking about how we should just open it all back up need to take a look south today and see how that's working out for them.

We didn't have that amount protests and riots here. Viruses don't care about people's politics and take advantage.

It's not the protests. It's the shopping, restaurants, nail salons, pool parties and just general assembly of people that is causing the resurgence in the states that opened up too early.

All of which are already back open in Canada, yet no explosion of cases.

[florch]

All of you talking about how we should just open it all back up need to take a look south today and see how that's working out for them.

We didn't have that amount protests and riots here. Viruses don't care about people's politics and take advantage.

It's not the protests. It's the shopping, restaurants, nail salons, pool parties and just general assembly of people that is causing the resurgence in the states that opened up too early.

30+ cities with people standing close together and yelling doesn't move the needle? That's just the peaceful protests. I don't think the rioters and looters were too concerned about masks or distancing either.

[mbav8r]

We didn't have that amount protests and riots here. Viruses don't care about people's politics and take advantage.

It's not the protests. It's the shopping, restaurants, nail salons, pool parties and just general assembly of people that is causing the resurgence in the states that opened up too early.

All of which are already back open in Canada, yet no explosion of cases.

Maybe do some reading before claiming that, just one example with I’m sure more to come!
https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/hundreds-line ... -1.5001292
"We have those 18 individuals, all of whom on average have 10 contacts. So 180 now are in quarantine and the contacts of those that tested positive must get tested as well and monitor their symptoms.“

[fishface]

Oh my lord 180 in quarantine!? Wow that’s already wave 5!!!!!!!

*yawn*

[mbav8r]

Oh my lord 180 in quarantine!? Wow that’s already wave 5!!!!!!!

*yawn*

Well clearly you’re a fucken idiot and it needs to be spelled out for you, 18 positives from one salon, with 10 contacts per and how many others who came in contact before the quarantine. That’s how it starts and without any intervention it will be a second wave, how many salons in southern Ontario, oh who fucken cares because it’s just 180 in quarantine.
I suppose you think wearing a mask is stupid too!

[fishface]

Negative Ghostrider, I wear a mask and keep sanitizer on me and use it throughout the day. Wash hands when I get home. It doesn’t take a genis, I mean genus, GENIUS to figure it out. On second thought, maybe I should get an MBA.

[altiplano]

I'd be more worried about hepatitis than covid at a "nail salon."

[ayseven]

I do my own nails. I still have my teeth.

[2R]

Delta running at 60 percent until September .

[kiaszceski]

Delta running at 60 percent until September .

Delta Warns Thousands of Pilots About Possible Furloughs

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -furloughs

[bcflyer]

I expect nothing. I want the chance to BID on business class. Bidding is not free. If I don't get it, and the seat goes empty, too bad. I am trying to look at the airlines as a business person would, instead of this twisted view that somehow asking for something besides being able to walk at the end of a flight, is being greedy.

If you want to fly business class why not just buy a business class ticket?

[flyinhigh]

Now United to potentially lay off 35,000.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/busines ... s-to-3600/

['97 Tercel]

wow

[ayseven]

bcflyer: I have indeed done just that, but if they really want to fill seats, they should be a bit creative. But that is not the Canadian business way. Ours is "gouge as much as you can - you might not get another client"

[Gino Under]

We simply shouldn’t re-start airline operations beyond a minimum, therefore there’s no need to relax the rules or make exceptions during a pandemic.

VFR traffic (with apology to Air Transat and Sunwing) is simply non-essential.

Thanks to FaceTime, Skype, Cisco, and Zoom most work/visits can be easily accomplished on-line.
Yes, it goes without saying, no one likes that idea at all, including me. But it’s not about like or not like, it’s about what’s necessary during a pandemic until we have an effective vaccine. Listen to the experts.

Everyone of us in aviation wants things back to normal, as it was, right now. Poof!
This is crazy time. It’s simply not possible. So, why ask?

Mr. Dressup needs to dig into the Tickle Trunk and dig out some cashish for the industry before it’s too late. For some, it’s already too late. Let’s see who’s still around on Jan. 1st?

Gino Under

[FL320]

But it’s not about like or not like, it’s about what’s necessary during a pandemic until we have an effective vaccine. Listen to the experts.

It’s about what people want to do with their own life, not the ideology of brainwashed people basing their argument on the media reports or pseudo experts (would love to read a serious scientific report from an “expert”; could you please post the one you are refering?)

[ant_321]

We simply shouldn’t re-start airline operations beyond a minimum, therefore there’s no need to relax the rules or make exceptions during a pandemic.

VFR traffic (with apology to Air Transat and Sunwing) is simply non-essential.

Thanks to FaceTime, Skype, Cisco, and Zoom most work/visits can be easily accomplished on-line.
Yes, it goes without saying, no one likes that idea at all, including me. But it’s not about like or not like, it’s about what’s necessary during a pandemic until we have an effective vaccine. Listen to the experts.

Everyone of us in aviation wants things back to normal, as it was, right now. Poof!
This is crazy time. It’s simply not possible. So, why ask?

Mr. Dressup needs to dig into the Tickle Trunk and dig out some cashish for the industry before it’s too late. For some, it’s already too late. Let’s see who’s still around on Jan. 1st?

Gino Under

I understand where you’re coming from but I would like to point out that a vaccine may never come. It’s far from certain. I can’t find the article now but one expert who spent his entire career in vaccine development estimated there’s is about a 25-40% chance a vaccine is never found.

[2R]

The difference in air traffic on flight aware is almost a perfect ratio of the difference in spread of this new disease. The precise algorithms required for a good statistical analysis would make good reading . Ball parking the visuals on flight aware the difference between Canada and the US is noticable . Might just worth looking at the actual pax loads and how it relates to the spread in real time . Coincidence or good planning by the evil bastards that released this ?

[Gino Under]

Agreed.
They may never find a vaccine. Nothing so far for AIDS after what? 30 some odd years.
But, they’re likely to similarly find effective treatment for CV19 with medications.
Also, when Delta removes a large number of aircraft from their fleet, a 60% load factor can be misleading.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/delta-to- ... operation/

I’d still like to see some government funding for our airlines before it’s too late.
For some Canadian airlines it’s already too late.

Gino

[FL320]

For some Canadian airlines it’s already too late.

Gino

Which ones?

[pelmet]

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/p ... d=msedgdhp

Why bother. I was going to go flying as a pax. One of the routes is on here. I don't need a two week quarantine. Plans cancelled. Vacation within driving distance instead. 5 hours is a pain but 2 weeks is worse.

Canadians who have recently traveled by plane, domestically or internationally, may want to check if they have been exposed to the novel coronavirus.

There have been 17 international flights and 14 domestic flights in July that have been flagged by the Canadian government for possible exposure to the virus.

Read more: International air travel to Canada continues to rise, despite coronavirus border restrictions

Passengers near the affected rows are considered close contact and may be at risk of exposure, the government said on its website.

Public health officials recommend that affected individuals self-isolate for 14 days and monitor symptoms. Passengers are also advised to contact their primary care provider if they're concerned they may have been exposed to COVID-19 or are experiencing symptoms.

The July flights include:

Domestic flights
July 9

Air Canada flight AC988, from Montreal to Ottawa

July 8

Air Canada flight AC311, from Montreal to Vancouver

July 7

Air Canada flight AC169, from Toronto to Edmonton

July 6

WestJet flight WJA296, from Calgary to Regina

July 5

Air Canada flight AC428, from Toronto to Montreal

Air Canada flight AC224, from Vancouver to Calgary

Air Canada flight AC422, from Toronto to Montreal

WestJet flight WJA3312, from Kelowna to Edmonton

July 4

Air Canada flight AC0407, from Montreal to Toronto

Air Canada flight AC7947, from Toronto to Regina

July 3

WestJet flight WS669, from Toronto to Calgary

July 2

Air Canada flight AC425, from Montreal to Toronto

July 1

Air Canada flight AC425, from Montreal to Toronto

International flights
July 9

Air Canada flight AC879, from Zurich to Toronto

United Airlines flight UA4958, from Washington to Toronto

July 7

American Airlines flight AA1638, from Charlotte to Toronto

United Airlines flight UA375, from San Francisco to Vancouver

WestJet flight WJA6357, from Minneapolis to Calgary

July 6

American Airlines flight AA2942, from Charlotte to Toronto

American Airlines flight AA1270, from Dallas to Vancouver

Ethiopian Airlines flight ET 500, from Addis Ababa to Toronto

Qatar Airlines flight 763, from Qatar to Montreal

WestJet flight WJA1511, from Los Angeles to Calgary

July 5

Air Canada flight AC1231, from Cancun to Toronto

Pakistan International Airlines flight PIA783, from Lahore to Toronto

July 3

Air Canada flight AC911, from Fort Lauderdale to Toronto

Pakistan International Airlines flight PK0781, from Islamabad to Toronto

Qatar Airways flight QR763, from Doha to Montreal

July 2

Air France flight AF342, from Paris to Montreal

American Airlines AA5700, from Charlotte to Toronto

For more details on the affected flight rows, click here.

The information on the federal's government's page says it is not entirely exhaustive and it is gathered through reports received from provincial and territorial health authorities, international health authorities and public websites.

The website is updated once a day and doesn't include information from flights before June 25.

WestJet told Global News in an email Wednesday the company is aware of the COVID-19 exposures on its aircraft and has taken a "layered approach to our safety measures which the risk of COVID-19 is mitigated."

The company also stated it notifies crew members if they were on exposed flights. It is up to the public health authority to notify passengers if they are at risk of exposure, the company added.

West Jet has a blog with updated information about flights that may have been exposed to the virus.

Air Canada did not respond before the time of publication.

Passengers travelling by plane to, from or within Canada have to have their temperature checked before boarding a flight in order to help prevent the spread of the virus.

The federal government still emphasizes that all non-essential travel outside of Canada must be avoided.

They’ve made it clear on their website that people deciding to travel during the pandemic could not only put themselves and others at risk for being infected with COVID-19, it could also result in them becoming stranded.

[TheStig]

Wouldn't the passengers arriving from international destinations be required to self isolate for two weeks on arrival regardless? Health officials in Montreal are so concerned about the spread of COVID19 that they're recommending that anyone who has been to a bar since July 1st get tested..but not isolate.

Since public health officials are keeping track of flights which have infected passengers on board, should they not be able to establish if transmission is taking place on board these flights and communicate that to the public?

Do you think PIA is getting ramped in YYZ?