Foreign Airlines take CEWS

[Localizer]

I like how you very conveniently ignored the fact that vaccines don't provide 100% immunity. Say what you want about inmates but guards would still be at risk. Also a country is judged on how they treat their lowest ranks, human rights are universal. I think some people aren't possible to rehabilitate and attitudes like yours make it harder for those who can be.

Look at Norway? They treat everyone like humans and they have an extremely low rate of repeat visitors.

I ignored nothing, I just don’t understand your point. The vaccine is the best available at the moment.

Please re-read the thread .. I’m all for vaccinating guards.

Again please re-read thread .. I’m not condemning prisoners to death, just the back of the line.

You will not change my mind on this, and I’m not trying to change yours, but if someone’s grandmother dies waiting for a vaccine that was used on an inmate .. this government needs to go.

[Zaibatsu]

You will not change my mind on this, and I’m not trying to change yours, but if someone’s grandmother dies waiting for a vaccine that was used on an inmate .. this government needs to go.

But you seem to be perfectly fine to sacrifice lives to save careers.

Yeah. I feel more empathy for people which include correctional officers who can’t self isolate and also have vulnerable family members than the extreme first world problem of.........................the right kind of job!

People like you amaze me digits .. when I read your post I see more empathy for federal prisoners then the current situation employees of the aviation industry are dealing with. Federal prisoners aren’t there because they committed petty theft ... they’re the worst of the worst. They already get very civil treatment considering what they’ve done to land themselves in such a place.

[digits_]

I like how you very conveniently ignored the fact that vaccines don't provide 100% immunity. Say what you want about inmates but guards would still be at risk. Also a country is judged on how they treat their lowest ranks, human rights are universal. I think some people aren't possible to rehabilitate and attitudes like yours make it harder for those who can be.

Look at Norway? They treat everyone like humans and they have an extremely low rate of repeat visitors.

I ignored nothing, I just don’t understand your point. The vaccine is the best available at the moment.

Please re-read the thread .. I’m all for vaccinating guards.

Vaccines are not 100%. They are not effective for everyone. I don't know the population or personnel situation of an average prison, but if there are 100 guards, then 5 of them won't be able to get proper vaccination. If they encounter a prison population that is not vaccinated, they are at risk.
Now, if 95% of the prison population is *also* vaccinated, then the chances of those 5 guards contracting covid is drastically reduced.

Again please re-read thread .. I’m not condemning prisoners to death, just the back of the line.

You will not change my mind on this, and I’m not trying to change yours, but if someone’s grandmother dies waiting for a vaccine that was used on an inmate .. this government needs to go.

Since you are saying that you don't want grandma to die to vaccinate a prisoner, that does imply that you would rather condemn a prisoner to death vs letting grandma die.

Grandma in a home will have been vaccinated. Grandma at home has the option to self isolate.
Prisoners under the care of the government, do not have the option to self isolate.

If a society deems to have the moral authority to imprison other members of the society, then the least they can do is to keep those people save.

[Localizer]

Let's agree to disagree ... that's as good as this is going to get.

[confusedalot]

Vaccinating the prison guards, then the most vulnerable like the elderly (even those in prison), and those with pre existing conditions (even those in prison), and then everyone else, and then the healthy prisoners, would make no sense, right?

Hey, it's tongue in cheek, don't take it too seriously.

[gtappl]

I like how you very conveniently ignored the fact that vaccines don't provide 100% immunity. Say what you want about inmates but guards would still be at risk. Also a country is judged on how they treat their lowest ranks, human rights are universal. I think some people aren't possible to rehabilitate and attitudes like yours make it harder for those who can be.

Look at Norway? They treat everyone like humans and they have an extremely low rate of repeat visitors.

I ignored nothing, I just don’t understand your point. The vaccine is the best available at the moment.

Please re-read the thread .. I’m all for vaccinating guards.

Again please re-read thread .. I’m not condemning prisoners to death, just the back of the line.

You will not change my mind on this, and I’m not trying to change yours, but if someone’s grandmother dies waiting for a vaccine that was used on an inmate .. this government needs to go.

I'll rephrase my point then. lets say 5% of people can take the vaccine but are still vulnerable because it's not 100% effective.

Those 5 out of 100 guards can catch the virus and then spread to their family/friends. If 70% of the prison is vaccinated then they have heard immunity and the gaurds/lawyers etc who have contact with them are safe.

[Localizer]

I’m going to take a guess and say “agree to disagree” doesn’t work for you?

You won’t change my opinion, but good luck.

[Bleed Air]

Sorry ALTIPLANO, not true, if you look at the link below and go find Air Canada on the A-D page you will find the HK government provided wage subsidy to AC's 29 HK employees under the Governments ESS program.(and thats the 2nd amount they received)
Probably, its the same in other countries, so really no different than what foreign airlines are getting under the CERB/CEWS
I do however agree the Canadian government is way behind the rest of the world in assisting its Aviation Sector.

https://www.ess.gov.hk/en/granted_companies.html

[gtappl]

I’m going to take a guess and say “agree to disagree” doesn’t work for you?

You won’t change my opinion, but good luck.

I read that after I replied

[AngelsSang]

Go ahead and vaccinate the guards .. I don't think you'll hear anyone complain. Prisoners seem to have more rights than the general public these days .. so ass backwards, but we shouldn't be shocked .. everything is ass backwards in Trudeau's Canada. (my opinion)

Why is it backwards? If a society deems that certain individuals need to be locked up because they don't conform to society's standards, then the least we could do is keep them safe in that process, if we want to appear a little bit cvilized.
It's also kind of hard to self isolate in a prison, so it would make sense they would get vaccinated first if they want to.

It's much easier for free people to isolate in the comfort of their home, vs in a prison cell.


Or, if you look at it from a different point of view, would you rather prefer a prison covid outbreak, which results in the local hospital being overflooded by inmates, taking up precious hospital beds?

Agreed! Lets not forget also that many people in jail are not yet convicted of a crime. There are many reman units, where people are held awaiting their trial. Way over crowded, and even the tiny cells are shared, it is not one woman/man per cell.