What will happen to our industry?

[rudder]

Reply to two comments above - yes, there will eventually be vaccine passports. But Canada will not accept them before the end of summer, and the ‘passport’ will require completed vaccination regimen. That is what other jurisdictions are doing.

If 60+ is not getting second shot until August, it will be well after Labour Day and in to the fall before 30 year olds have second shots. JT will want a level playing field with no age group advantaged nor disadvantaged for travel.

And, Provinces will also have to be willing to cease barriers to entry.

[palebird]

As with so many things that the left fantasize about...the devil is in the details. Look south of the 49th to see where it is all going. The Blue states are being abandoned by conservative thinkers. This is real and shows up on census to the point where Blue states are losing seats in the house due to population decline in their respective states. People are voting with their feet. Covid in the Red states is over..done..dead. Blue states it is starting to die. Explain that one with your "science". Passports are dead in the water, they will try but this whole fantasy will crash and burn. Canada, as usual, will be sucking hind teat.

[Goodman5]

As with so many things that the left fantasize about...the devil is in the details. Look south of the 49th to see where it is all going. The Blue states are being abandoned by conservative thinkers. This is real and shows up on census to the point where Blue states are losing seats in the house due to population decline in their respective states. People are voting with their feet. Covid in the Red states is over..done..dead. Blue states it is starting to die. Explain that one with your "science". Passports are dead in the water, they will try but this whole fantasy will crash and burn. Canada, as usual, will be sucking hind teat.

Oh man that explains it. The virus has a favourite colour

[‘Bob’]

My perspective in the centre of the universe is everyone who was doing ok before is the same or amazing (many gained 100-300k in just their home value) and their expenses have gone way down from not commuting, going out etc.

I feel like these people are going to have a lot of vacation time they want to use up.

Where are they going to live? Lol!

Sorry but that home value is all academic unless you sell. And then what? Be on the wrong side of a bidding war to get it back and LOSE money!

Home equity loans, know that tons of people are taking them out, some to buy more houses and rent them out

I think they called that “buying on margin” in 1929.

[EPR]

I'm pretty sure by now (I've been harping this fact since October), that everyone realizes (except for the most staunch Libtard supporters) that our bumbling, stuttering, idiot of a Prime Minister has failed to secure enough vaccines (because he tried to make a deal for vaccine production with China during the rush to order Pfizer..etc.) for our once great Country! We have literally stolen vaccines from the poorest Nations in order for Trudeau to spew his fake vaccination numbers! He alone is responsible for our 3rd wave of lock-downs, as the States along with many other Countries are opening up! He is the sole reason why you are still unemployed! But hey...the budget will balance itself! #DramaTeacherForPM (What could possibly go wrong?)

[RedAndWhiteBaron]

I'm pretty sure by now (I've been harping this fact since October), that everyone realizes (except for the most staunch Libtard supporters) that our bumbling, stuttering, idiot of a Prime Minister has failed to secure enough vaccines (because he tried to make a deal for vaccine production with China during the rush to order Pfizer..etc.) for our once great Country! We have literally stolen vaccines from the poorest Nations in order for Trudeau to spew his fake vaccination numbers! He alone is responsible for our 3rd wave of lock-downs, as the States along with many other Countries are opening up! He is the sole reason why you are still unemployed! But hey...the budget will balance itself! #DramaTeacherForPM (What could possibly go wrong?)

Well, personally, I blame Mr. Ford, at least for ON. But you are free to choose your scapegoat as well. Personally I try to keep partisan politics out of these debates, and avoid terms like "Libtard".

[Rooster69]

I'm pretty sure by now (I've been harping this fact since October), that everyone realizes (except for the most staunch Libtard supporters) that our bumbling, stuttering, idiot of a Prime Minister has failed to secure enough vaccines (because he tried to make a deal for vaccine production with China during the rush to order Pfizer..etc.) for our once great Country! We have literally stolen vaccines from the poorest Nations in order for Trudeau to spew his fake vaccination numbers! He alone is responsible for our 3rd wave of lock-downs, as the States along with many other Countries are opening up! He is the sole reason why you are still unemployed! But hey...the budget will balance itself! #DramaTeacherForPM (What could possibly go wrong?)

This.

Our Socialist p.m. is a complete failure as a leader.

[altiplano]

Well, personally, I blame Mr. Ford, at least for ON. But you are free to choose your scapegoat as well. Personally I try to keep partisan politics out of these debates, and avoid terms like "Libtard".

Scapegoat indeed... How can you blame Ford for what have all been brought on by Federal mistakes?

- failure to stop Chinese airlines and screen people at the outset
- failure to deliver a coherent strategy for the country
- continuous contradicting/mixed messages
- failure to secure domestic vaccine production
- failure to secure timely vaccines procurement
- highest spend per capita of developed nations
- worst economic performance of developed nations
- and still has managed to trample rights of Canadians with no positive result

We have:
a Health Minister that was a graphic designer,
a Procurement Minister that never held a real world job (academic),
a Finance Minister that was a marginal journalist, and
a Prime Minister that aspired to living off his trust fund and once taught snowboarding, and filled in as a teacher briefly... that's it.

It's no wonder we are shitting the bed in this country. If this is who Liberals think have what it takes to do the jobs well then Libtards it is...

[RRJetPilot]

well said

Worst government in Canadian history. By a large margin.

[Old fella]

Oh Jeez, if the “drama teacher” and his merry band of” libtards” assume power again, especially with a majority(current polling suggest that’s the case) the AvCanada political side show will light up brighter than a July 1st fireworks display. Now, that is an AvCanada concert I will pay double admission- the comedy acts will be first rate.

[CruiserNU]

I have always (since 1967) voted Conservative. You're right, the polls suggest that the Liberals have now bought enough votes to pretty much guarantee their re-election.
So, this time, I probably won't vote at all. Let the bastards clean up their own mess for once!

[Zaibatsu]

I'm pretty sure by now (I've been harping this fact since October), that everyone realizes (except for the most staunch Libtard supporters) that our bumbling, stuttering, idiot of a Prime Minister has failed to secure enough vaccines (because he tried to make a deal for vaccine production with China during the rush to order Pfizer..etc.) for our once great Country! We have literally stolen vaccines from the poorest Nations in order for Trudeau to spew his fake vaccination numbers! He alone is responsible for our 3rd wave of lock-downs, as the States along with many other Countries are opening up! He is the sole reason why you are still unemployed! But hey...the budget will balance itself! #DramaTeacherForPM (What could possibly go wrong?)

I wonder what the staunch conservative apologists would have said if swine flu had taken off and exposed our vaccine weakness then? Would they have blamed the Liberals on that one too as they gutted any form of value added industry to go back to scraping things out of the ground? Only luck prevented the exact same thing from befalling the conservatives.

4840 people dead of COVID-19 in the USA last week.

In Canada, an equivalent number would be 557.

It was under 2/3 that number in spite of supposedly having higher cases and fewer vaccines.

If you think the US is handling this pandemic better, you’re delusional.

[EPR]

I'm pretty sure by now (I've been harping this fact since October), that everyone realizes (except for the most staunch Libtard supporters) that our bumbling, stuttering, idiot of a Prime Minister has failed to secure enough vaccines (because he tried to make a deal for vaccine production with China during the rush to order Pfizer..etc.) for our once great Country! We have literally stolen vaccines from the poorest Nations in order for Trudeau to spew his fake vaccination numbers! He alone is responsible for our 3rd wave of lock-downs, as the States along with many other Countries are opening up! He is the sole reason why you are still unemployed! But hey...the budget will balance itself! #DramaTeacherForPM (What could possibly go wrong?)

I wonder what the staunch conservative apologists would have said if swine flu had taken off and exposed our vaccine weakness then? Would they have blamed the Liberals on that one too as they gutted any form of value added industry to go back to scraping things out of the ground? Only luck prevented the exact same thing from befalling the conservatives.

4840 people dead of COVID-19 in the USA last week.

In Canada, an equivalent number would be 557.

It was under 2/3 that number in spite of supposedly having higher cases and fewer vaccines.

If you think the US is handling this pandemic better, you’re delusional.

If you are defending Trudeau and his incompetent Government, then you're the delusional one!

[Spaceshuttle]

Ok, lots of Stats are always thrown around...

On a normal pre covid year, say 2018, how many people died in the USA or Canada from the flu or any other airborne diseases such as Tuberculosis, SARs in one week?

On a normal year how many people in the USA die from "natural" causes in a week? How many from homicides or suicide or automobile accidents?

If you want to roll out stats to prove your case then roll them out in a comparative way...I am pretty sure that most of us are shocked to hear of even one death but ask a doctor or a mortician and they would be able to say if that is normal or not.

[RRJetPilot]

Here is what Canada’s lockdowns are doing:
Quoted from stats Canada published 2 weeks ago.

“ Excess mortality in the younger-than-45 age group is increasing in Canada
As the pandemic continues, excess mortality in Canada has shifted to affect younger populations, but this shift cannot be explained by changes in the number of deaths attributed directly to COVID-19. During the spring of 2020 in Canada, the number of deaths reported among those younger than 45 was 12% higher than expected. During the fall, the number of deaths among this age group increased to 19% higher than expected.

As there was no increase in deaths caused by COVID-19 for this age group—less than 1% of COVID-19 deaths in Canada involved individuals younger than 45—these shifts imply an increase in deaths that may be indirectly associated with the pandemic or other factors. For example, in some provinces, there have been observed increases in overdose-related deaths in 2020 compared with previous years.”


Lockdowns are killing young Canadians. The real tragedy here.

[Inverted2]

Lots of suicides in the younger age group. Drug overdoses too. From a family member who works in law enforcement. People are getting depressed no surprise there.

[Spaceshuttle]

Yes, we dont hear the whole story on CBC.

How many people who have had and recovered from Covid are ever shown on the news? Apparently every third person has had it, you would think they would want to tell you how well they are doing now on the news. THERE ARE SO MANY POSITIVES, lets hear there stories...

[Rooster69]

Covid cases in Canada: 1.28 million. Population 37.6 million

Percentage of Canadians who have had Covid: 3.4


On average, 4 Canadians out of a hundred have contracted Covid.



That doesn’t take in to account many what have had Covid and were never tested.


If you follow the news, you would think that half our population has had Covid.

[Dionysus]

What are the various sim protocols going on at your companies? WJ requires a rapid test prior to entering the sim then a mask during brief and sim session.

[RippleRock]

My opinion only, but I don't have any interest in working in an industry that permanently requires face masks. They are nasty, awkward, sweaty and uncomfortable. I can't see a persons smile or expression when off-loading, nor communicate properly during a dead-head. I always felt bad for those who thought it necessary before Covid (mostly on the east Asian flights). It seemed "dehumanizing", and it is. Whether or not it's even safer outside a pandemic is debatable, as is the efficacy of what some people call a "mask".

Our immune system needs daily "challenge" to stay healthy and robust. We got on just fine before 2019 without them, so once the virus is under control, why continue? If we do, it will be for "theatrical purposes only". The airline passenger seems to like "theater" though, if the goofiness performed by CATSA at security is any indication.

[BigQ]

Same here. Serious reservations about returning to work if masks, and even more so, vaccines, are mandated in the cockpit.

[montado]

There is no logical way to eliminate masks. The pro maskers are all raving about how the flu has been eliminated and they credit masks for that. So we used masks to slow covid to only 24k deaths, but we also prevented 50k flu deaths (apparently). So how could anyone who is pro mask rationalize life without a mask now. Look how great masks are! If we can stop some covid deaths we may as well make this permanent and never see flu deaths again in Canada.

The only logical way to be pro mask is to continue wearing masks forever. Enjoy your new normal! Literally if you debate masks with anyone, the pro maskers always get backed into a corner in the argument as they have this awakening that they are hypocrites and don’t have any logical reason to explain mask use, besides “follow the experts”. But now you also have 90 percent of Ontario pissed off about the so called “experts” making the decisions for our province... I hear a lot less today about how it’s important to listen to experts... that faded pretty quick this third wave.

Our immune system needs daily "challenge" to stay healthy and robust.

No need to worry. Masks aren’t working that great at all. You are being exposed to thousands of germs while wearing a mask. You gotta be kidding if you think we are all running around with masks and it’s preventing exposure to germs and will impact our long term immunity. Masks have been about as effective as the covid alert app at stoping covid spread. That million dollar app spend that quietly disappeared.

[EPR]

After five months of trying to secure and roll-out vaccines, 61% of Canadians haven't even had a single shot yet and only 3% of us are fully vaccinated!

[RippleRock]

After five months of trying to secure and roll-out vaccines, 61% of Canadians haven't even had a single shot yet and only 3% of us are fully vaccinated!

We certainly can't expect other countries to accept our deviation from the vaccine manufacturers directions on having both doses within weeks, NOT months. As international travellers we will be sidelined.

Not even sure that after the second dose we will be welcomed abroad as the spacing interval was too long. Oh well.

Terry Tam, JT's cronie says the vaccine doesn't offer any privilege anyway, and "health measures" will continue indefinitely. This is tantamount to her saying the vaccines don't work for Canadians, so why even bother.

To sort of quote the soup Natzi........"No light at the end of the tunnel for you". Remember to send a thank you letter to Justin, cc Terry Tam.

[EPR]

What a goddamned sad state of affairs this "woke"(:vom:) Country is in!