Air Canada pilot refuses to get vaccinated, in peril of losing job

[imjustlurking]

Question. Could other flight crew members refuse assignments with this FO since he/she has publicly stated no vaccination status. For example could a fully vaccinated Captain refuse to fly trips with this FO due to close contact cockpit environment, citing safety and more importantly his/her health, especially if said Captain has young kids at home.

PS reverse question as well fully vaccinated FO vs an unwilling not vaccinated Captain.

No. You can refuse unsafe work, but being unvaccinated does not pose a clear and present danger. With that said, being unvaccinated means that you are at a higher risk of infection and serious complications. A pilot who is unvaccinated is a bigger danger to themselves and refusing to be vaccinated because you read something on Facebook shows a quality that is unbecoming of a professional.

And mrwhale, if you refuse to be vaccinated on the grounds that an individual in a group of billions (yes, billions worldwide) was injured, you are showing poor decision making skills. You should make sure that your girlfriend/wife/daughter(s) don't take birth control pills as they have a 1 in 100 chance of clotting.

[Capt. Underpants]

Except if you happen to have an agenda, such as the government of Canada.

Conspiracy theorists lack critical thinking skills. Surprised they needed a study to determine that.

https://thenewdaily.com.au/life/science ... QTEMKYYXF8

[Capt. Underpants]

I also will not be vaccinated. The data is already out on mass clotting issues and permanent heart damage. Will only be time when you all lose your medicals. The way I figure it the vaxed have 6 months before they start dropping like flies. The ones left to keep flying will need to take some anti clotting approved medicine for the rest of your career. I will not support aborted fetal cell line research.

Another pilot just died in the states a few days after the forced vax. This one was in flight.
https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2021/10/s ... -required/

Wonder which airlines will have a large portion of their staff with short term and long term damage that will result in a great deal of their work force grounded.

Best you find a rubber room and hook yourself up to a saline drip because you shouldn't be going anywhere. The whole world presents a greater risk to your health and safety than the vaccines do.

Oh, and seek help.

[‘Bob’]

I also will not be vaccinated. The data is already out on mass clotting issues and permanent heart damage. Will only be time when you all lose your medicals. The way I figure it the vaxed have 6 months before they start dropping like flies. The ones left to keep flying will need to take some anti clotting approved medicine for the rest of your career. I will not support aborted fetal cell line research.

Another pilot just died in the states a few days after the forced vax. This one was in flight.
https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2021/10/s ... g-required

What was the flight number? The date? The pilot’s name? What was the route of flight? What airport did they divert to? Where is ANY official statement from Delta Airlines?

Oh I know. It’s all being suppressed by the government, Delta Airlines, and the MSM. They flew in a new pilot and the aircraft was repositioned with the passengers to Guantanamo Bay. They got the CIA to double tap all of his family members and they rounded up everyone in his neighbourhood to be shipped off to FEMA camps for sequestering and re-education.

Thank god for “news” sources like Red Voice Media otherwise we would never have found out. With nothing but some high school dropouts, a used server in a closet in a rented house, and zero field reporters they were able to pull the string that unravelled this entire conspiracy that goes all the way to the top.

[porcsord]

I was going to write something about redvoicemedia... But Bob.... You'd have stolen my thunder.

[kgb531]

May we quote you on the "dropping like flies" in 6 months? Or is it like 45's constantly revised statements that he will be reinstated in 2 weeks/2 months/6 months/9 months/12 months. Do we send money to Mike Lindell to support your cause?

I also will not be vaccinated. The data is already out on mass clotting issues and permanent heart damage. Will only be time when you all lose your medicals. The way I figure it the vaxed have 6 months before they start dropping like flies. The ones left to keep flying will need to take some anti clotting approved medicine for the rest of your career. I will not support aborted fetal cell line research.

Another pilot just died in the states a few days after the forced vax. This one was in flight.
https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2021/10/s ... -required/

Wonder which airlines will have a large portion of their staff with short term and long term damage that will result in a great deal of their work force grounded.

[Old fella]

I also will not be vaccinated. The data is already out on mass clotting issues and permanent heart damage. Will only be time when you all lose your medicals. The way I figure it the vaxed have 6 months before they start dropping like flies. The ones left to keep flying will need to take some anti clotting approved medicine for the rest of your career. I will not support aborted fetal cell line research.

Another pilot just died in the states a few days after the forced vax. This one was in flight.
https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2021/10/s ... -required/

Wonder which airlines will have a large portion of their staff with short term and long term damage that will result in a great deal of their work force grounded.

Every now and then the entertainment value on this site hits a new height of laughter - the bell has sounded

[PostmasterGeneral]

Just had to point out that the fact you think mass-vaccination is the silver bullet to end the pandemic is laughable. Vaccine uptake is higher than ever, and cases continue to climb. Keep dreaming.

Have you heard of the delta variant? Either way, one only needs to look to Alberta to see the vaccinated aren't what's stretching their healthcare system thin.

Taking an experimental vaccine may or may not help you. Jury is still out.

At what point would you consider the vaccines non-experimental? How many experts need to declare the vaccines safe and effective?

You are far better off living healthy in my humble opinion.

I guarantee most of the unvaccinated people dying in the ICU right now felt the same way.

Personally, I don’t care if people get vaccinated or not. That’s their choice, not mine or anyone else’s.

When we had no vaccines, we had fewer cases than we do now that over 80% of the populous is vaccinated. As I said before, vaccines are not the answer. We need to dispense with this mask nonsense post haste as well. Personally, I don’t mask anymore unless I’m at work. Those who are vaccinated shouldn’t have to mask either, it should be one or the other.

[imjustlurking]

Just had to point out that the fact you think mass-vaccination is the silver bullet to end the pandemic is laughable. Vaccine uptake is higher than ever, and cases continue to climb. Keep dreaming.

Have you heard of the delta variant? Either way, one only needs to look to Alberta to see the vaccinated aren't what's stretching their healthcare system thin.

Taking an experimental vaccine may or may not help you. Jury is still out.

At what point would you consider the vaccines non-experimental? How many experts need to declare the vaccines safe and effective?

You are far better off living healthy in my humble opinion.

I guarantee most of the unvaccinated people dying in the ICU right now felt the same way.

Personally, I don’t care if people get vaccinated or not. That’s their choice, not mine or anyone else’s.

When we had no vaccines, we had fewer cases than we do now that over 80% of the populous is vaccinated. As I said before, vaccines are not the answer. We need to dispense with this mask nonsense post haste as well. Personally, I don’t mask anymore unless I’m at work. Those who are vaccinated shouldn’t have to mask either, it should be one or the other.

You don't understand concepts more complex than 1+1=2. Wait until you learn how 10+10 can equal 4. The world is not a simple as you believe it to be.

[PostmasterGeneral]

Have you heard of the delta variant? Either way, one only needs to look to Alberta to see the vaccinated aren't what's stretching their healthcare system thin.



At what point would you consider the vaccines non-experimental? How many experts need to declare the vaccines safe and effective?



I guarantee most of the unvaccinated people dying in the ICU right now felt the same way.

Personally, I don’t care if people get vaccinated or not. That’s their choice, not mine or anyone else’s.

When we had no vaccines, we had fewer cases than we do now that over 80% of the populous is vaccinated. As I said before, vaccines are not the answer. We need to dispense with this mask nonsense post haste as well. Personally, I don’t mask anymore unless I’m at work. Those who are vaccinated shouldn’t have to mask either, it should be one or the other.

You don't understand concepts more complex than 1+1=2. Wait until you learn how 10+10 can equal 4. The world is not a simple as you believe it to be.

Like I said above, I. Don't. Care.

Get the vaccine or don't, it doesn't affect my life whatsoever, so I go on living it how I choose to. The last two years have probably been the most relaxing for our entire family.

[737Maximilian]

When we had no vaccines, we had fewer cases than we do now that over 80% of the populous is vaccinated.

Again, we now have a much more transmissible variant of the virus circulating within our population. The fact there has been so few hospitalizations relative to the case numbers is a testament to the effectiveness of the vaccines.

Like I said above, I. Don't. Care.

Get the vaccine or don't, it doesn't affect my life whatsoever, so I go on living it how I choose to. The last two years have probably been the most relaxing for our entire family.

You should care. If nothing else, consider your family in this case. If we were to remove all restrictions like Alberta did, we'd likely end up in a similar predicament. Imagine if one of your loved ones got into a serious car accident and required an ICU bed for treatment. However, all the surplus beds have already been taken by anti-vaxxers due to COVID, preventing your loved one from getting the treatment they require. Are you beginning to see how this might affect you?

[palebird]

You do realize that it is a Covid protocol that a "Covid" patient be put in an ICU bed whether they need it or not. That is the source of this ICU bed shortage. And that you can be Covid positive with full vaccination. You do know that right? You should also realize that everyone has Covid in their system by now and if you continue testing and looking for Covid you will indeed find it. Question is what you going to do about it? Stay locked down forever? Or wake up?

[737Maximilian]

You do realize that it is a Covid protocol that a "Covid" patient be put in an ICU bed whether they need it or not.

You can't seriously believe that. If doctor's are having to triage patients, deciding who lives or dies, they're not going to be wasting these beds.

And that you can be Covid positive with full vaccination

True, but the vaccines drastically reduce the transmissibility of the virus and the severity of the disease. No vaccine has ever been 100%, but their widespread use will eventually result in a herd immunity that can keep our hospitals from being overwhelmed.

You should also realize that everyone has Covid in their system by now and if you continue testing and looking for Covid you will indeed find it"

There is zero proof of this.

[PostmasterGeneral]

When we had no vaccines, we had fewer cases than we do now that over 80% of the populous is vaccinated.

Again, we now have a much more transmissible variant of the virus circulating within our population. The fact there has been so few hospitalizations relative to the case numbers is a testament to the effectiveness of the vaccines.

Like I said above, I. Don't. Care.

Get the vaccine or don't, it doesn't affect my life whatsoever, so I go on living it how I choose to. The last two years have probably been the most relaxing for our entire family.

You should care. If nothing else, consider your family in this case. If we were to remove all restrictions like Alberta did, we'd likely end up in a similar predicament. Imagine if one of your loved ones got into a serious car accident and required an ICU bed for treatment. However, all the surplus beds have already been taken by anti-vaxxers due to COVID, preventing your loved one from getting the treatment they require. Are you beginning to see how this might affect you?

Again, I don't care. Nothing I can do about it, so I don't let it concern me.

What exactly would you suggest I do about it anyways? Tell all the fat, lazy people stuck in ICU to stop stuffing cheeseburgers down their gullets long enough to go get vaccinated so their obesity and diabeetus doesn't kill them when they catch this wuhang flu? That's their choice to get vaccinated or not, you and I have ZERO say in someone else's health. If you're a healthy, fit person, catching covid won't kill you. Maybe they should start there.

I'd rather spend my time and effort making sure myself and my family are looked after, fed, and that we have money in the bank.

Situations like the one you described illustrate exactly why we need a two-tiered healthcare system here in Canada.

[PostmasterGeneral]

True, but the vaccines drastically reduce the transmissibility of the virus and the severity of the disease. No vaccine has ever been 100%, but their widespread use will eventually result in a herd immunity that can keep our hospitals from being overwhelmed.

So, where does herd immunity "kick in" then? We're already over 80%. What's it going to take in your expert opinion?

[imjustlurking]

When we had no vaccines, we had fewer cases than we do now that over 80% of the populous is vaccinated.

Again, we now have a much more transmissible variant of the virus circulating within our population. The fact there has been so few hospitalizations relative to the case numbers is a testament to the effectiveness of the vaccines.

Like I said above, I. Don't. Care.

Get the vaccine or don't, it doesn't affect my life whatsoever, so I go on living it how I choose to. The last two years have probably been the most relaxing for our entire family.

You should care. If nothing else, consider your family in this case. If we were to remove all restrictions like Alberta did, we'd likely end up in a similar predicament. Imagine if one of your loved ones got into a serious car accident and required an ICU bed for treatment. However, all the surplus beds have already been taken by anti-vaxxers due to COVID, preventing your loved one from getting the treatment they require. Are you beginning to see how this might affect you?

Again, I don't care. Nothing I can do about it, so I don't let it concern me.

What exactly would you suggest I do about it anyways? Tell all the fat, lazy people stuck in ICU to stop stuffing cheeseburgers down their gullets long enough to go get vaccinated so their obesity and diabeetus doesn't kill them when they catch this wuhang flu? That's their choice to get vaccinated or not, you and I have ZERO say in someone else's health. If you're a healthy, fit person, catching covid won't kill you. Maybe they should start there.

I'd rather spend my time and effort making sure myself and my family are looked after, fed, and that we have money in the bank.

Situations like the one you described illustrate exactly why we need a two-tiered healthcare system here in Canada.

We get it. You matter to you and nothing else.

[737Maximilian]

What exactly would you suggest I do about it anyways? Tell all the fat, lazy people stuck in ICU to stop stuffing cheeseburgers down their gullets long enough to go get vaccinated so their obesity and diabeetus doesn't kill them when they catch this wuhang flu? That's their choice to get vaccinated or not, you and I have ZERO say in someone else's health. If you're a healthy, fit person, catching covid won't kill you. Maybe they should start there.

Firstly, you could get yourself educated. If you seriously believe this disease only affects the fat and lazy, then you've truly been living under a rock. By acting like this disease doesn't have the potential to cause serious, long-term health issues to anyone, you're only contributing to the misinformation problem.

Sure, healthy people are less likely to get seriously ill from this, but you have to remember people are using that claim as justification to not get vaccinated, only to find themselves in the ICU wishing they had.

So, where does herd immunity "kick in" then? We're already over 80%. What's it going to take in your expert opinion?

I'm no expert, and I've never claimed to be. My principle argument has always been to listen to the experts. Right now, they're saying that that number has to be higher, all thanks to the delta variant. With Alberta as the example, it's clear to see it possible to open up when a sufficient percentage of vaccinated is reached, given the vaccinated are not the ones who're overwhelming the ICUs.

[mmm..bacon]

. I will not support aborted fetal cell line research.

News flash: If you're an adult in the Western World, you've probably had vaccines against Rubella, Polio, (Shingles - if you're old enough) perhaps chicken pox ... *all* of which were developed through 'aborted fetal cells'...

[mmm..bacon]

Another pilot just died in the states a few days after the forced vax. This one was in flight.
https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2021/10/s ... -required/

Further, *BULLSHIT*: https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Delta+pi ... mid+flight

Any other crackpot conspiracy theory websites you want to quote to bolster your poorly-educated opinion?

[‘Bob’]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CU-_v1ePZ1k ... =copy_link

[PostmasterGeneral]

Firstly, you could get yourself educated. If you seriously believe this disease only affects the fat and lazy, then you've truly been living under a rock. By acting like this disease doesn't have the potential to cause serious, long-term health issues to anyone, you're only contributing to the misinformation problem.

I don’t believe it only affects fat and lazy people, it just doesn’t affect me. We’re all double vaxxed, and some of us, myself included, have already had the virus. I’ve had colds worse than when I had covid. Not worried in the slightest.

[airway]

I also will not be vaccinated. The data is already out on mass clotting issues and permanent heart damage. Will only be time when you all lose your medicals. The way I figure it the vaxed have 6 months before they start dropping like flies. The ones left to keep flying will need to take some anti clotting approved medicine for the rest of your career. I will not support aborted fetal cell line research.

Another pilot just died in the states a few days after the forced vax. This one was in flight.
https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2021/10/s ... -required/

Wonder which airlines will have a large portion of their staff with short term and long term damage that will result in a great deal of their work force grounded.

No Delta pilot died in flight recently:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/delta ... %20Edition

[737Maximilian]

I don’t believe it only affects fat and lazy people, it just doesn’t affect me. We’re all double vaxxed, and some of us, myself included, have already had the virus. I’ve had colds worse than when I had covid. Not worried in the slightest.

You're thinking about this too narrowly. As someone double vaccinated too, I'm not overly concerned by Covid during my day-to-day life. That said, the current restrictions in place are meant to prevent our healthcare system from being overwhelmed. A removal of mask restrictions, as you previously alluded to, would result in an Alberta-esque situation. I bring up the example again of a loved one needing ICU care due to a car accident. Can you not see the societal implications of there being insufficient beds to help those who require treatment? What the effects would be on your family? You might think you're immune to this situation, but you're not.

Again, the fastest way to being able to remove that mask restriction is to get more people vaccinated.

[imjustlurking]

Firstly, you could get yourself educated. If you seriously believe this disease only affects the fat and lazy, then you've truly been living under a rock. By acting like this disease doesn't have the potential to cause serious, long-term health issues to anyone, you're only contributing to the misinformation problem.

I don’t believe it only affects fat and lazy people, it just doesn’t affect me. We’re all double vaxxed, and some of us, myself included, have already had the virus. I’ve had colds worse than when I had covid. Not worried in the slightest.

I had the flu once where it was like a cold but a bit worse.

I had a flu again a few years later and was unable to do anything except lay in bed, in pain, and complaining to myself because nobody was home for the weekend.

[broken_slinky]

. I will not support aborted fetal cell line research.

News flash: If you're an adult in the Western World, you've probably had vaccines against Rubella, Polio, (Shingles - if you're old enough) perhaps chicken pox ... *all* of which were developed through 'aborted fetal cells'...

Yeah, but the antis like to ignore that science. You can add rabies, hep A and adenovirus to the list of nasties that have a link to fetal cell vaccine development.