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punk wrote:The CP of H&L is NOT a moderator on this forum...
Timone...I bet you're the same guy who started the thread last year about one of the female pilots getting hired on at H&L, and just started up a new user name because we all knew who you were. Your comment was malicious and it was bullshit. Don't pull this free speech crap and you're so oppressed and the truth won't get out... :roll:
This industry doesn't give a shit about what you think is fair and this person's career is going very well whether you write crap about inequality or not.....let's face it...sometime's men & women will do whatever it takes to get a head...life's too short to get upset about all of it...especially when you make everyone else look bad...even if they deserve to be there.
YOU are not a victim...go to any 3rd world country & then you can complain about something...until then, keep your bullshit comments & take your free speech & shove it up your ass :P
So so presumptuous! You bet very wrong grasshopper.
For the record I am not anyone from the past. I have never posted anything malicious and most importantly could give a rat's mule about a Hicks job. Young grasshopper, I tell you I am way past a Hicks job in my career. I also am not disputing that its a good place to work and it certainly has launched many a career. I was merely pointing out a double standard that we all know is present in the industry which I feel needs to be addressed more seriously. I'm glad to hear that MNR has made a no exceptions rule. Now everyone should get a fairer shot at it. Oh gotta go! I think thats crew sched on the phone. Seeya!
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Double standard?! I thought this industry was built on "who you know" & timing, experience and a bit of luck....am I wrong or should companies just be hiring white men? :roll:

PS....get call display, why are you picking up the phone?
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Post by wha happen »

so jetway, whats the story. PM me if ya want. wouldnt surprise me if i knew her
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Me too jetway. Share the love. Probably know them as well.
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I'd be interested in the story by PM also. I think I know them, but don't "know" them (biblically).
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It doesn't help when the CP of HL is a moderator on AVCAN. Not sure who deleted your post but it makes you wonder why an innocent threads that mention no names gets snippered and other blatently racist threads by moderators are kept.


Nobody who works for H&L is on staff @ AvCanada. I want to make that very, very clear.

I delete any racist threads as soon as I see them. If you wouldn't mind, please point me in the direction of any that I have missed. Seriously, just copy and paste the links of ANY racist threads right here and I'll certainly take action on it. AvCanada will NOT promote hatred.

Now back to the main event:

What I am taking from your story is that a woman dressed all skanky to get a job, that seems to be the jist of it. At least she didn't offer to work for free, that would have been just slutty ;)

Seriously though, assuming your story is correct - someone used something to their advantage in aviation eh. Good that that has never happened with a guy. Now by my tone you may think I'm saying it's not a big deal. Well I'm not. It is a big deal, and it is wrong. And it happens all the time. When it happens with a guy we congratulate them on their ingenuity in getting employment - dude was smart and got hired as a result. Then we file it away and never think of it again.

I find it interesting that stories like this are the ones that get a whole lot of publicity though - people already asking to be PM'd about them so they can shake their heads and say "I hear ya buddy, YET another example of a low-down, good for nothing broad taking the food outta the mouth of an honest (guy) pilot. Man, what is the world coming to." Of course it is assumed that she didn't even have her student pilot licence at the time of the job offer, and that even if she did, she was a horrible pilot. She must have been hired entirely based upon the look and texture of her ass cheeks.

Clearly women weren't meant to fly. And clearly men were. I mean, you DID hear the story we were just talking about, right? Well, I didn't exactly hear the story, but the suggestion and innuendo alone totally proves it anyway. Of course she wasn't qualified and was a horrible pilot. It's that way with all those dames, they are inferior to guys for so very many reasons that it would take too long to even list them all. The person doing the hiring was taken advantage of, and we need to protect them from future abuse. Quick question - last summer when a 337 gear'd up in pickle lake or wherever - was that a woman pilot? If not, then why aren't we second-guessing the person who hired that pilot?

Good thing there aren't literally thousands of stories involving men using every tool they have (heh - get it? guys using their tools) at their disposal to get employment, from lying about their experience to offering free labor to buying booze to bring to the interview, to washing the CP's car, to getting their dad to put a word in, to any number of tricks and techniques to land employment.

Again, I think that if the young woman in question (assuming your story is real) wore short shorts as part of some plan to entice the naiive and childlike hiring person to cough up a job, then yeah that's not exactly advancing the cause of women in aviation and she would be doing her sisters in aviation a disservice. But whilst you are championing fair hiring practices and shining a spotlight on corruption and graft in the aviation hiring industry, don't forget to shine it equally on all the corners of the room. A whole lot of guys will be blinking their eyes and telling you to point that thing elsewhere.
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Well said Sulako :D
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kay, i agree with you Sully, but there are women that @#$! it up for the rest of us and guys that make all others look like asses... people are people and it should be judged on the individual, sometimes the individual isn't as righteous as they could be. I think alot of the issues brought up here may have nothing to do with how the person was hired, as Punk has said, 6/8 did not have 100 multi PIC...
Some shit has gone down in this industry and it always will go down... trouble is, Shit floats.
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on a lighter note,,,,

To all the new pilots coming this year, everyone welcomes you!!
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Chemtech wrote:kay, i agree with you Sully, but there are women that @#$! it up for the rest of us and guys that make all others look like asses... people are people and it should be judged on the individual, sometimes the individual isn't as righteous as they could be. I think alot of the issues brought up here may have nothing to do with how the person was hired, as Punk has said, 6/8 did not have 100 multi PIC...
Some shit has gone down in this industry and it always will go down... trouble is, Shit floats.
OOOPS, i was using Chemtech's computer... that was me that wrote that... dude, why didn't you stop me when i signed in? dumbass AME... so really the quote should be "water wings" said... oh well, you get the picture.

In any case no matter who said what, who thought what, or what may be said about last season, whoever gets on this year will have an awesome time and the easiest 400-500 hours you'll ever make. No early mornings, no pager, no 17 hour days, no heavy lifting (unless you count the beer) Good Luck to all, it should be an even better year - you even get uniforms ( no short shorts)
Skymasters are fun planes (Capuccino love, Bravo my Ghecko, Dairy Queen and Blue Betty are just a few of the fleet) fly safe, kids.
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Post by smokin_rivet »

Aside from emailing, faxing, and then calling. Is there anything else one should do to get a foot in the door with these guys?
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Post by Timone123 »

smokin_rivet wrote:Aside from emailing, faxing, and then calling. Is there anything else one should do to get a foot in the door with these guys?
Of course there is!!! WEAR SHORT SHORTS!!!

Sorry just couldnt resist. :D
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Timone123 wrote:
smokin_rivet wrote:Aside from emailing, faxing, and then calling. Is there anything else one should do to get a foot in the door with these guys?
Of course there is!!! WEAR SHORT SHORTS!!!

Sorry just couldnt resist. :D
GIGGITY!
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smokin_rivet wrote:Aside from emailing, faxing, and then calling. Is there anything else one should do to get a foot in the door with these guys?
Haha one month before the season starts you're looking for a foot in the door? You should have been there in January shovelling snow and counting bolts. Not that I'd know anything about that :wink:
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Has anyone that had an interview heard back yet?

Thanks
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Post by avi8tr »

had the interview on Saturday and nothing as of yet. Probably didn't get the job. Best of Luck to those who recieved a call. Fly safe and have an even safer season.
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Post by teacher »

Still waiting.....
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avi8tr wrote:had the interview on Saturday and nothing as of yet. Probably didn't get the job. Best of Luck to those who recieved a call. Fly safe and have an even safer season.
So negative! Was it that bad of an interview? You didn't kick the CP in the shins and run away did you? The urge is overwhelming, I know :D :lol: 8) :smt021 :smt075 :smt117 :axe:
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No the interview panel wasn't bad. I thought the interview went pretty well actually. Just figured they would have called by now since they said they would let us know within a week. I just hope they let me know either way.
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Post by CARO »

I think they havent decided yet. One of my references was just called yesterday.
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Post by T/OconfigOK »

Relax…
Heard the interviews went well…many motivated & qualified individuals out there, but unfortunately only a limited number of slots available.
As I understand it, notifications have not been made yet due to continuing reference checks.
Notifications will come one way or the other, positive or negative you will receive a phone call.
Best of luck to all of you.
Now go crack a cold one,
Cheers… :wink:
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Post by smokin_rivet »

I have been sending resumes and calling these guys for 3 years. Granted this is the first time ive met the MPIC requirment but I havnt heard a thing. Maybe next year.
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Post by EatSleepFly »

gl smokin rivet.... do you know anyone who's flown for them recently? because it really helps... otherwise it can be very difficult to get in with them....
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smokin_rivet wrote:I have been sending resumes and calling these guys for 3 years. Granted this is the first time ive met the MPIC requirment but I havnt heard a thing. Maybe next year.
You and 200 other people have been doing the exact same thing. And they wouldn't know you if they found you floating in their soup. Have you ever taken a trip up there?
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its friday and still no call....wait...........nope that was the door.....no phone call. Call dammit call.
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