Jazz Approach state

[2112]

We'll do anything but pay liveable wages! Way to go Jazz you suck.

[CaptDukeNukem]

I had a better plan in mind but I'm not sure if that's gonna work well in the future. I'm currently getting my degree in BComm avaition which includes flight training also. It's a four year program that atleast garuntees an interview at Porter if I quickly build my hours upto a thousand or so. For instance I get hired by them, I'll stay there until I get some hours on the E2 then move to a cargo airline like morningstar or directly to AC if I get called by them. But surely I won't even bother applying at Jazz for many reasons one of them being that it's low payed like how come do you guys still expect to rent a place to live near YYZ with a biweekly check of $1100, I won't include perdiems or any overtime but seriously it's just toxic to stay at a place like that. I would say flying the 737 would be great up-north than to stay broke in an urban city

I like your style. Education is good. Many ways to get to
get to your destination. Get your license, do the interview. If that works out for you then great! Lots of options out there…. If you don’t wanna pay rent while building hours, go work for wasaya out of pickle lake, 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off. And they also feed you and give you a place to sleep. (Albeit, not exactly the ritz Carlton) also, you’ll learn more in the bush in two years than 4 years of college and you’ll be insanely marketable with good turbine experience at that point, most likely with some MULTI-PIC TURBINE.

[swervin]

First class started this week. Can't believe they actually found people to enter into this program.

[Rowdy]

Have a look at the picture posted. Looks like a good sized class right?

Oh but look closer.. most of the people in it are Jazz and CAE employees. I think I count 4 maybe 5 people that I don't recognize.

[GIVCE!]

What picture? Can you post it? Nothing on the CAE site…

[genetic jack hammer]

What picture? Can you post it? Nothing on the CAE site…

If you have instagram, it's on the Caepilot page.

[GIVCE!]

Thx. See it now. Looks like 7 or 8 candidates tops… how many classes per year? Let’s say 10 which would be ridiculously high. So about 80-100 pilots per year when we are loosing 200-300 ? Math still doesn’t work boys ….

[GIVCE!]

AND …it’s at least two years before a full year of those pilots are ‘injected’ in to the stream of hires…

[JazzWannabe]

Yes the first class started in Kingston and i am not in it. Anyone shed a light on whether i should continue to wait the call or bug recruitment? Do i stand a chance? So by your observations, three cadets dropped out. Why might that be?

[Inverted2]

No offence to these students but it doesn’t solve the problem of experienced pilots in the left seat. They will be years away from having the hours and experience to be a captain. AC/Jazz management must now be suffocating from having their heads stuck in the sand for so long. Pay up or park airplanes. Which one is cheaper?

[truedude]

No offence to these students but it doesn’t solve the problem of experienced pilots in the left seat. They will be years away from having the hours and experience to be a captain. AC/Jazz management must now be suffocating from having their heads stuck in the sand for so long. Pay up or park airplanes. Which one is cheaper?

They have their heads stuck somewhere... not sure it is in the sand though...

[daedalusx]

Accessible to all they say ... as long as you pay your TR bribe ...

[swervin]

Thx. See it now. Looks like 7 or 8 candidates tops… how many classes per year? Let’s say 10 which would be ridiculously high. So about 80-100 pilots per year when we are loosing 200-300 ? Math still doesn’t work boys ….

They are planning 3 courses this year.

[swervin]

Yes the first class started in Kingston and i am not in it. Anyone shed a light on whether i should continue to wait the call or bug recruitment? Do i stand a chance? So by your observations, three cadets dropped out. Why might that be?

I wouldn't waste the $200,000 it's going to cost you to finish this program. Better off going to Harv Air, finish your licences there in 12 months if you go at if full time for less than half the money and don't pay for your own PPC. Find yourself a better paying job elsewhere. I don't know how anyone plans to service their $200,000 student debt making $2200 a month.

[RoAF-Mig21]

Looks like the Jazz Approach program is starting up:


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Where did you get that add from, if you don't mind me asking?

[nutlord]

Yes the first class started in Kingston and i am not in it. Anyone shed a light on whether i should continue to wait the call or bug recruitment? Do i stand a chance? So by your observations, three cadets dropped out. Why might that be?

I wouldn't waste the $200,000 it's going to cost you to finish this program. Better off going to Harv Air, finish your licences there in 12 months if you go at if full time for less than half the money and don't pay for your own PPC. Find yourself a better paying job elsewhere. I don't know how anyone plans to service their $200,000 student debt making $2200 a month.

My guess is that most people in this program are paying for it with cash, or their parents are doing so. Student debts and low starting salary aren't an issue if you have the support of your parents, or are somehow independently wealthy.

[RoAF-Mig21]

My guess is that most people in this program are paying for it with cash, or their parents are doing so. Student debts and low starting salary aren't an issue if you have the support of your parents, or are somehow independently wealthy.

Indeed. My number one goal is to see my child go to school for "free". In other terms, I will pay 100% of the tuition. I don't want my kid to go through what I did, having to work full time and pay my flight school. I sacrificed some of the best years of my life chasing my dream.

[HappySkies777]

Please for GOD's sake don't sign up for this program!!! I have funded my own flight training from day one working McDonald's, ramp, fueling jobs and a corporate job as an Engineer because I went and got a degree. Go to a flight school and pay for your flying "Pay As You Go" OR if you have money saved join a professional program like Seneca College or others and you will come off ahead financially! When you are done, go get a job for a year which will teach you tons. You will feel more comfortable in your first 705 (airline) gig, make you appreciate what you earned and finally you will earn the respect of others. My first job was flying the arctic for couple years. This baby step in your flying career is priceless. Jumping into an airline environment as a first job is a stretch (not impossible), but its a lot to take in, and let alone a jet on top of that!

P.s: I work at Jazz and as people mentioned before, your first year or frankly couple of years won't break even with your salary to pay an almost quarter million for a CRJ200 type!!!! Also, paying for a type rating is derogatory to the standard of this industry....and yeah you are paying for it as far as I understand!!

[DHC-1 Jockey]

Looks like the Jazz Approach program is starting up:


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Where did you get that add from, if you don't mind me asking?

The Jazz Chief Pilot linked the ad to her LinkedIn profile.

[RoAF-Mig21]

The Jazz Chief Pilot linked the ad to her LinkedIn profile.

Okay thanks for that. I don't have LinkedIn, so that's why I didn't see it anywhere, even though I was trying to find it on their website.

[flytobe123]

Please for GOD's sake don't sign up for this program!!! I have funded my own flight training from day one working McDonald's, ramp, fueling jobs and a corporate job as an Engineer because I went and got a degree. Go to a flight school and pay for your flying "Pay As You Go" OR if you have money saved join a professional program like Seneca College or others and you will come off ahead financially! When you are done, go get a job for a year which will teach you tons. You will feel more comfortable in your first 705 (airline) gig, make you appreciate what you earned and finally you will earn the respect of others. My first job was flying the arctic for couple years. This baby step in your flying career is priceless. Jumping into an airline environment as a first job is a stretch (not impossible), but its a lot to take in, and let alone a jet on top of that!

P.s: I work at Jazz and as people mentioned before, your first year or frankly couple of years won't break even with your salary to pay an almost quarter million for a CRJ200 type!!!! Also, paying for a type rating is derogatory to the standard of this industry....and yeah you are paying for it as far as I understand!!

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VERY FUNNY, SAD BUT TRUE.
Cadet program in France is free and you go straight to Airbus A320.
I have the feeling we are copying US but this is a very different context and country.

[Babar350]

Please for GOD's sake don't sign up for this program!!! I have funded my own flight training from day one working McDonald's, ramp, fueling jobs and a corporate job as an Engineer because I went and got a degree. Go to a flight school and pay for your flying "Pay As You Go" OR if you have money saved join a professional program like Seneca College or others and you will come off ahead financially! When you are done, go get a job for a year which will teach you tons. You will feel more comfortable in your first 705 (airline) gig, make you appreciate what you earned and finally you will earn the respect of others. My first job was flying the arctic for couple years. This baby step in your flying career is priceless. Jumping into an airline environment as a first job is a stretch (not impossible), but its a lot to take in, and let alone a jet on top of that!

P.s: I work at Jazz and as people mentioned before, your first year or frankly couple of years won't break even with your salary to pay an almost quarter million for a CRJ200 type!!!! Also, paying for a type rating is derogatory to the standard of this industry....and yeah you are paying for it as far as I understand!!

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VERY FUNNY, SAD BUT TRUE.
Cadet program in France is free and you go straight to Airbus A320.
I have the feeling we are copying US but this is a very different context and country.

Yeah well oui et non...
Most of the cadets in France are going to Easyjet or AF or Ryanair but not 100% of them.
Some are instructing, others are going to Africa with Aviation sans frontières.

[flytobe123]

Please for GOD's sake don't sign up for this program!!! I have funded my own flight training from day one working McDonald's, ramp, fueling jobs and a corporate job as an Engineer because I went and got a degree. Go to a flight school and pay for your flying "Pay As You Go" OR if you have money saved join a professional program like Seneca College or others and you will come off ahead financially! When you are done, go get a job for a year which will teach you tons. You will feel more comfortable in your first 705 (airline) gig, make you appreciate what you earned and finally you will earn the respect of others. My first job was flying the arctic for couple years. This baby step in your flying career is priceless. Jumping into an airline environment as a first job is a stretch (not impossible), but its a lot to take in, and let alone a jet on top of that!

P.s: I work at Jazz and as people mentioned before, your first year or frankly couple of years won't break even with your salary to pay an almost quarter million for a CRJ200 type!!!! Also, paying for a type rating is derogatory to the standard of this industry....and yeah you are paying for it as far as I understand!!

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VERY FUNNY, SAD BUT TRUE.
Cadet program in France is free and you go straight to Airbus A320.
I have the feeling we are copying US but this is a very different context and country.

Yeah well oui et non...
Most of the cadets in France are going to Easyjet or AF or Ryanair but not 100% of them.
Some are instructing, others are going to Africa with Aviation sans frontières.

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I was referring AF Cadets and/or ENAC school

[RoAF-Mig21]

...Cadet program in France is free and you go straight to Airbus A320..

Two things there:
1. Competition is fierce, and rightfully so, since they're paying the whole bill.

2. Air France knows that once those pilots get hired, they'll stay till retirement. I doubt too many AF pilots will move to other French carriers, like FrenchBee or Corsair...

You can't compare a Canadian regional airline with the national carrier of France. Two different continents, countries, airlines, cultures and operations.

[truedude]

...Cadet program in France is free and you go straight to Airbus A320..

Two things there:
1. Competition is fierce, and rightfully so, since they're paying the whole bill.

2. Air France knows that once those pilots get hired, they'll stay till retirement. I doubt too many AF pilots will move to other French carriers, like FrenchBee or Corsair...

You can't compare a Canadian regional airline with the national carrier of France. Two different continents, countries, airlines, cultures and operations.

And this program is just pathetic. It won't solve a thing. It is just another sad attempt my management to keep pay low.