8895 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 11:35 am
NTPilot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 11:09 pm
C-GGGQ wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:16 am
They pay the same as WJ at least for FO. Also fewer deductions, overtime kicks in sooner etc. Also as show in another thread WJ is 2-3 years on reserve and 10-15 years for an upgrade. Porter over wj swoop encore is a no brainer in my mind.
-WJ has 20% WSP company matching ( you put 20% of your salary company double it and give it to you in one year)
-WJ pays 7300k at the end of each year to FO
-Encore just raised the Q400 wages to approximately 60k
-WJ has union
-The 10% end of the list pilots are usually in reserve and right now it’s about a year
-WJ pays for pilots parking
-the new contract is in negotiations for swoop and WJ and with very good chance both companies are gonna have same wages
I don’t work for WJ but my point is between WJ and porter the answer is obvious!
How long are those WJ upgrade times again? Not to mention the fact that management there is so bad that they sidestepped a newly formed union and created swoop with it’s lower labour costs lol
I find it hard to say “go to WJ” for someone early on in their career when it’s a company in full retreat, where you’d be sitting on reserve for years and waiting on an upgrade for at least a decade. If you want to live in Calgary I can see why someone would apply, but other then that why invest your career into a company whose overlords don’t even want to invest into it anymore? Onex is gonna make their asset as high value as possible before selling, and that means more pink tails than teal.
That’s very well said,
about the mainline WJ yes upgrades takes long time, but in encore is as long as any other airline
Now what are the main options for a pilot that is in his early career in regionals: Porter Jazz and Encore
- porter pays FO $43,940/1st year and 80k capt, was the only company in pandemic that shut down the operation and laid off all the pilots, last airline to open the operation and bring back FOs at reduced salary, (because there’s no union to defend your rights basically), the pilot health benefits starts after months 3 and no internal ticket for pilots for first 3 months. I personally know one of the top problem the pilots have is parking issue and they spent 2k a year from their own salary for that
-With Jazz you have AC path but you will be making 40k for time being and upgrade which now I guess is fast then Capt start at 80k and the benefits are very descent and good I believe. They can your their internal ticket from day one.
-Encore they have only Calgary base for new hires, you start at 60k first year FO and then Capt 100k after upgrade which is not too long again. The flow to WJ main line takes time and new hires cannot carry their seniority number to mainline,(before December 22 hires can), your health benefit start from day one
Now for someone that is in his early career, already paid 80k for his pilot licenses, probably has loan, and has worked as an instructor or flew up north for very low salary already, which one is a better option
I’m just advocating for better life and work conditions for pilot, regardless of what company it is
I hope porter raise their salary And I’ll be suggesting any one to go there, but a pilot with 43k/year cannot afford living in toronto and going to YTZ, it should be criminal