I wish I knew your employee number so I could bid around you (or make you bid around me.) You sound like an utterly miserable SOB and I hope I never have to share a cockpit with you. Pure poison. I pity the poor souls who get stuck with you.
Tony the Tigger, I assume you're going around saying the pay & contract- they're Greeeeeaat!
The irony is you're probably the guy everyone is avoiding because you clearly have your head up somewhere or up someone
On your next layover, go talk to a United, Delta, or pretty much any foreign crew and tell them what flatpay or what a RP is, how much they make, and brag about how much the skipper makes.
For a closing performance, explain 50% DH pay, begging for release every pairing and when you got your schedule this month
I promise they won't even know how to respond other than to go unfuk yourself because it's hurting the whole industry
And thank you for proving my point! But I see you’re probably not self aware enough to see the irony of that.
Must be pretty shitty being so angry all the time — sucks to be you! But then, I’d say it certainly must suck even harder to know you in person.
See you in the funny pages.
And ladies & Gentlemen...that is why I am on flatpay
Thanks to critical thinkers like Tigger.
Don't drink too much koolaid. Too much sugar is bad for anyone, especially for a pussy cat
I was always told to dress a step above what you will be wearing for the job. Business casual job, wear a shirt and tie, shirt and tie, wear a suit, etc. so obviously for a job with a Pilot uniform you should wear a tuxedo to the interview. Go all the way and get a cummerbund.
dumpsterfire wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 7:11 pm
I'd wear an obviously expensive suit
Tells the company you're independently wealthy and can afford the poverty starting wages. Nothing is more important than a visual confirmation you are willing to pay your dues after already paying your dues
Just tell them it's always been your dream to be among the lowest paid pilots in the world and tell them you love cozy relationships between the executives and the pilots
Good luck
Don't pay any attention to this, a complete a**hole. He's totally forgotten what it's like to start out in this industry when you need a helping hand and some friendly advice.
Wear your best suit, fresh haircut, shine your shoes. Show them that this interview is important to you. Be sincere, be ready to tell them your story, why you want to join AC, and the steps you've taken to make yourself a great candidate. Good luck!
I'm presently conducting interviews for the company. Protonpilot has very good advice.
ant_321 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:33 am
I was always told to dress a step above what you will be wearing for the job. Business casual job, wear a shirt and tie, shirt and tie, wear a suit, etc. so obviously for a job with a Pilot uniform you should wear a tuxedo to the interview. Go all the way and get a cummerbund.
I was told for an airline interview, to dress so that they can picture you in their uniform including facial hair and hair.
My personal bias would say if you have any tattoos, I would cover them up. I would not hire a professional that shows up with a full sleeve of tattoos or worse, face tattoos. Obviously this is going to open a can of worms but I am simply telling you my bias and the people who are responsible for evaluating you are human and humans are biased whether you admit or not.
I think you need to take a critical thinking skills course or two.
No one held a gun to your head, you voluntarily chose the job and the working conditions.
If you didn't know about the contract before you accepted the position, whose fault is that?
Maybe you should take some time away from the keyboard and the job if you're that angry...
Lol Kaffee...
A prolific ACPA supporter and lifetime yes voter crawls out from under concessions rock to assert his authority on the proud state of new hire pay
What a proud boy you must be
You still believe it is just an angry "few" that vote No?
Conditions are so bad now that the company is desperate to rid the pay your beloved leaders negotiated. How bad is that...a union that negotiated pay below supply/demand market rates
Canadian aviation will not miss ACPA, its former leaders & prolific supporters or the management friendly culture that sold out its own membership & industry
I think you need to take a critical thinking skills course or two.
No one held a gun to your head, you voluntarily chose the job and the working conditions.
If you didn't know about the contract before you accepted the position, whose fault is that?
Maybe you should take some time away from the keyboard and the job if you're that angry...
Lol Kaffee...
A prolific ACPA supporter and lifetime yes voter crawls out from under concessions rock to assert his authority on the proud state of new hire pay
What a proud boy you must be
You still believe it is just an angry "few" that vote No?
Conditions are so bad now that the company is desperate to rid the pay your beloved leaders negotiated. How bad is that...a union that negotiated pay below supply/demand market rates
Canadian aviation will not miss ACPA, its former leaders & prolific supporters or the management friendly culture that sold out its own membership & industry
Bu bye!!
Not, I repeat not an ACPA supporter but just a couple thoughts, the pay is not below supply/demand market rates because the classes remain full. Also, the wages were set long, long before the shortages started to materialize.
The company was not desperate to rid itself of the flat pay, it attached several concessions because it believed the pilots were desperate to get rid of it.
I think you need to take a critical thinking skills course or two.
No one held a gun to your head, you voluntarily chose the job and the working conditions.
If you didn't know about the contract before you accepted the position, whose fault is that?
Maybe you should take some time away from the keyboard and the job if you're that angry...
Lol Kaffee...
A prolific ACPA supporter and lifetime yes voter crawls out from under concessions rock to assert his authority on the proud state of new hire pay
What a proud boy you must be
You still believe it is just an angry "few" that vote No?
Conditions are so bad now that the company is desperate to rid the pay your beloved leaders negotiated. How bad is that...a union that negotiated pay below supply/demand market rates
Canadian aviation will not miss ACPA, its former leaders & prolific supporters or the management friendly culture that sold out its own membership & industry
Bu bye!!
Not, I repeat not an ACPA supporter but just a couple thoughts, the pay is not below supply/demand market rates because the classes remain full. Also, the wages were set long, long before the shortages started to materialize.
The company was not desperate to rid itself of the flat pay, it attached several concessions because it believed the pilots were desperate to get rid of it.
Classes are full because of Jazz flow. Without the Jazz hires, classes were running at half capacity, in some cases less, just to clarify.
A prolific ACPA supporter and lifetime yes voter crawls out from under concessions rock to assert his authority on the proud state of new hire pay
What a proud boy you must be
You still believe it is just an angry "few" that vote No?
Conditions are so bad now that the company is desperate to rid the pay your beloved leaders negotiated. How bad is that...a union that negotiated pay below supply/demand market rates
Canadian aviation will not miss ACPA, its former leaders & prolific supporters or the management friendly culture that sold out its own membership & industry
Bu bye!!
Not, I repeat not an ACPA supporter but just a couple thoughts, the pay is not below supply/demand market rates because the classes remain full. Also, the wages were set long, long before the shortages started to materialize.
The company was not desperate to rid itself of the flat pay, it attached several concessions because it believed the pilots were desperate to get rid of it.
Classes are full because of Jazz flow. Without the Jazz hires, classes were running at half capacity, in some cases less, just to clarify.
To be fair, this is the first I’m hearing of this!
How many classes were run at half(or less) capacity?
The hiring for 2022 without Jazz candidates left a deficit of 264(I believe) Jazz pilots who should have been hired.
Are you saying AC ran some courses at half instead of filling them up with Jazz pilots?
Either way, AC is on record saying they are hav8ng no trouble finding pilots.
I think you need to take a critical thinking skills course or two.
No one held a gun to your head, you voluntarily chose the job and the working conditions.
If you didn't know about the contract before you accepted the position, whose fault is that?
Maybe you should take some time away from the keyboard and the job if you're that angry...
Is this how AC pilots think?
Maybe they should lower pay and it can be like a social experiment to see how many pilots still come?
Don’t you think that’s what has been happening over the last two decades?
In the US, prior to the Buffalo crash, FO pay at the regional was 16,000/yr, they never claim an inability to hire!
Not, I repeat not an ACPA supporter but just a couple thoughts, the pay is not below supply/demand market rates because the classes remain full. Also, the wages were set long, long before the shortages started to materialize.
The company was not desperate to rid itself of the flat pay, it attached several concessions because it believed the pilots were desperate to get rid of it.
Classes are full because of Jazz flow. Without the Jazz hires, classes were running at half capacity, in some cases less, just to clarify.
To be fair, this is the first I’m hearing of this!
How many classes were run at half(or less) capacity?
The hiring for 2022 without Jazz candidates left a deficit of 264(I believe) Jazz pilots who should have been hired.
Are you saying AC ran some courses at half instead of filling them up with Jazz pilots?
Either way, AC is on record saying they are hav8ng no trouble finding pilots.
Classes are full because of Jazz flow. Without the Jazz hires, classes were running at half capacity, in some cases less, just to clarify.
To be fair, this is the first I’m hearing of this!
How many classes were run at half(or less) capacity?
The hiring for 2022 without Jazz candidates left a deficit of 264(I believe) Jazz pilots who should have been hired.
Are you saying AC ran some courses at half instead of filling them up with Jazz pilots?
Either way, AC is on record saying they are hav8ng no trouble finding pilots.
You can thank Westjet for that.
WJ is going to pony up their contract and that supply will dry up pretty quick. Nobody wants to be at the bottom of AC's seniority list. It's literally the Boulevard of Broken Dreams
AC is on record for saying a lot of things...Aeroplan deal too expensive, no recalls till 2023, you can't compare yourselves to UPS because they are door to door delivery but you can compare to Atlas...oh wait...Atlas pays that now?! OK they are a non comparable too
The company will always gas light stuff to give excuses on why they can't pay. Key is not listening to it
To be fair, this is the first I’m hearing of this!
How many classes were run at half(or less) capacity?
The hiring for 2022 without Jazz candidates left a deficit of 264(I believe) Jazz pilots who should have been hired.
Are you saying AC ran some courses at half instead of filling them up with Jazz pilots?
Either way, AC is on record saying they are hav8ng no trouble finding pilots.
You can thank Westjet for that.
WJ is going to pony up their contract and that supply will dry up pretty quick. Nobody wants to be at the bottom of AC's seniority list. It's literally the Boulevard of Broken Dreams
AC is on record for saying a lot of things...Aeroplan deal too expensive, no recalls till 2023, you can't compare yourselves to UPS because they are door to door delivery but you can compare to Atlas...oh wait...Atlas pays that now?! OK they are a non comparable too
The company will always gas light stuff to give excuses on why they can't pay. Key is not listening to it
I hope WestJet pilots get what they deserve. That will help the entire industry and hopefully AC will then be forced to fix flat pay.
Not, I repeat not an ACPA supporter but just a couple thoughts, the pay is not below supply/demand market rates because the classes remain full. Also, the wages were set long, long before the shortages started to materialize.
The company was not desperate to rid itself of the flat pay, it attached several concessions because it believed the pilots were desperate to get rid of it.
Classes are full because of Jazz flow. Without the Jazz hires, classes were running at half capacity, in some cases less, just to clarify.
To be fair, this is the first I’m hearing of this!
How many classes were run at half(or less) capacity?
The hiring for 2022 without Jazz candidates left a deficit of 264(I believe) Jazz pilots who should have been hired.
Are you saying AC ran some courses at half instead of filling them up with Jazz pilots?
Either way, AC is on record saying they are hav8ng no trouble finding pilots.
Take a look at the new hire classes from September onwards (and you can go even further back), classes were running around 30-35 if that. Take away the 10 or so per class from Jazz, and you're at 20-25 that were OTS. Towards the end of 2022, when the Jazz flow resumed to make up the majority of hires, the class sizes have been around 40-42 every two weeks. So yes, without Jazz pilots, classes were only about half full. AC wanted 40-50 per class mind you. That was their publicly stated goal.
Air Canada publicly (and internally) stated 80 a month. While it’s a great goal, the variation between classes has much less to do with reduced demand and more with capacity of the training department. Week by week, month by month, there is feedback between training and hiring. It’s not uncommon for Training to send messages back to Hiring to slow things down, the capacity just isn’t there.
As one notes, a lot of training is done overseas. That helps. But …. you still need contract Instructors, IOETCs, Check Pilots … and one of the biggest Road Blocks has been Transport Canada Inspectors for checking and licensing.
I remember Barb Pope (her absence is still felt!) once saying that 80-90 a month is workable, but only for a few months. Then a couple reduced months are necessary to catch up.
So yes, you will see 45 person classes followed by 30 person classes. It’s not because 15 people didn’t show up, or they couldn’t find 15 people who didn’t want to be Air Canada pilots. More likely they didn’t have anywhere to put them.
Look at the gaps between stages of each course of Candidates. They’re having a tough time keeping up.
