Agreement in Principle reached

[doiwannabeapilot]

Post negotiation podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5_X-sRici8

Uploaded 3 hrs ago.

Ooh, that does not sound good....

"We could have gotten nothing"

Focusing most time discussion compensation talking about a pension instead of salary gains.

Take home pay will go up (while dancing around the total compensation)

However,
400 million dollars over 4 years, on average 100 million per year.
1800 pilots, that would be 55 000 per pilot. That does sound promising. Although it depends on how they define the gains.

Very curious for all of you, hope it's worth it!


I don't understand the need for a roadshow though. Why not just send all members the proposed contract?

so.....all pilots will see $55,000 yearly increase in pay ! that's great !

[MaxAuto]

What does "Captured scope on Sunwing" mean?

[‘Bob’]

So… Delta wages?

[Maritimer]

What does "Captured scope on Sunwing" mean?

That specifically was not mentioned, all that has been said officially is that there will be one OC. Initially that means WJ & Swoop (assumption) with (hopefully) language to cover Sunwing in the event of a merger.

[Maritimer]

So… Delta wages?

Doubtful.

There was a lot to fix in WJ land for this contract. We just got a whole lot closer but we likely have a way to go too.

[lownslow]

I’d like to know more about the hat. Is it a cowboy hat?

[Maritimer]

There is still a lot that we don't know. The info that we did get still leaves a lot of specifics out and questions on the table.

The guys/gals have been working around the clock the past week or so on this so we will have to give them some time to rest and put out an executive summary.

[nohojob]

It doesn't mean that it will be equally divided by 1800

[lownslow]

70% of the gains went to first 5 steps of FO pay to increase attraction.

This is where you have to start in order to raise everyone up. Look at what doing the opposite has done to Canadian aviation over the last 20 years.

[Maritimer]

Post negotiation podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5_X-sRici8

Uploaded 3 hrs ago.

Ooh, that does not sound good....

"We could have gotten nothing"

Focusing most time discussion compensation talking about a pension instead of salary gains.

Take home pay will go up (while dancing around the total compensation)

However,
400 million dollars over 4 years, on average 100 million per year.
1800 pilots, that would be 55 000 per pilot. That does sound promising. Although it depends on how they define the gains.

Very curious for all of you, hope it's worth it!


I don't understand the need for a roadshow though. Why not just send all members the proposed contract?

"Could have gotten nothing" was just the bookend to the statement that some will think we could have gotten more, could have gotten less or could have gotten nothing. As negots seem to go.

WJ's pay structure is messy. Options/OPA/profit share can make up a considerable portion of one's compensation. The value of these is supposedly being sent elsewhere to capture guaranteed value.

$400 million in "new" money is a better indicator of newer compensation. That is a lot of money, we will see how it is spent/divided.

Roadshows are just a way for the MEC to explain the contract from the source and for the membership to ask questions.

There is an intended absence of a signing bonus because the MEC wants the membership to vote on the merit of the agreement for what it is and not a shiny signing bonus cheque.

[pitottubey]

I hear mainline FO wages start at $105/hr. 70% of the gains went to first 5 steps of FO pay to increase attraction.

Good. Part of the problem with our profession is lopsided wages that are famine while you're young and feast when you're old. spread the love.

[RippleRock]

I don't think a $55,000 pay increase across the board is what was meant.

I think "total compensation" was $400m.
Big difference. Some could come in the form of pension, some for the hotel, per diems, plus other stuff. Not all in wages.

I read it as a total package value of $400m. Be nice if I was wrong.

[Maritimer]

I don't think a $55,000 pay increase across the board is what was meant.

I think "total compensation" was $400m.
Big difference. Some could come in the form of pension, some for the hotel, per diems, plus other stuff. Not all in wages.

I read it as a total package value of $400m. Be nice if I was wrong.

I'm not sure if I fully understand you here but the $400 million was specifically referred to as "new money" over the 4 years. I could be wrong but I take "new" as being in addition to current compensation. Pension and other things that we have already but are being put into different vehicles so to speak. 20% WSP for example. We already have that so putting it into a pension wouldn't be part of the $400 million.

[Ash Ketchum]

Please tell me new hire WestJet FOs will make at least 90K? Everyone talks about top captain wages but they already made a living wage beforehand...

[RippleRock]

I don't think a $55,000 pay increase across the board is what was meant.

I think "total compensation" was $400m.
Big difference. Some could come in the form of pension, some for the hotel, per diems, plus other stuff. Not all in wages.

I read it as a total package value of $400m. Be nice if I was wrong.

I'm not sure if I fully understand you here but the $400 million was specifically referred to as "new money" over the 4 years. I could be wrong but I take "new" as being in addition to current compensation. Pension and other things that we have already but are being put into different vehicles so to speak. 20% WSP for example. We already have that so putting it into a pension wouldn't be part of the $400 million.

Sorry, my skepticism comes from decades under the complete failings of ACPA.

I wish you guys only the best. You've earned it. Thank you for setting the new benchmark. We at AC have a lot to learn from you guys.

[Maritimer]

Please tell me new hire WestJet FOs will make at least 90K? Everyone talks about top captain wages but they already made a living wage beforehand...

We will have to wait for at least a few days for info like that I'd bet.

[Dias]

So Year 4 Swoop Captains are now making $300k? That worked out alright for them.

[thepoors]

Lol,

One of the best increases I have ever seen in this industry. Great Job guys

If you've seen it, what is it?

[GuppyDriver]

Alaska Airlines pilot here and fellow ALPA member, congrats guys! Hope it's everything you wanted and more

[Maritimer]

So Year 4 Swoop Captains are now making $300k? That worked out alright for them.

No. System wide rebid apparently.

[‘Bob’]

So… Delta wages?

Doubtful.

There was a lot to fix in WJ land for this contract. We just got a whole lot closer but we likely have a way to go too.

That’s the thing.

This is Salemanship 101.

Closing is of course the keystone.. but the other is giving the customer exactly what they want.

It lowers their defences because they are dazzled. But if you meet them on price, you make it up on trade, finance, upselling, etc.

Then 6 months rolls around after the sheen has dulled and they look at the other deals around and realized they got ripped off.

[Dias]

So Year 4 Swoop Captains are now making $300k? That worked out alright for them.

No. System wide rebid apparently.

Ah, so Swoop Captains won't be able to hold a Captain position anymore.

[Realitychex]

Hats? This was about hats?

Make sure you get plenty of scrambled eggs on those hats. They look really good with scrambled eggs.

Old timers will recall the laughs we used to have about the old, tired tradition of pilots hats in the early days of WestJet.

It was a badge of honor to have the leather flight jacket and no hats.

I guess things have changed.

Congrats to all on getting this deal done.

[QKZXKV]

What we know so far:

One OC
ESP no match
Optional pension (language to acquire a target pension plan)
Increased pay rates
Time bank
Mixed reserve 16 days
New language grievance and arbitration
DH language with new priority codes
$40 hotel cancellation credit into a bank
Cancel a DH you can move it for a commute
Partial trip trades are back
No signing bonus
Retro pay to Jan 1 with new rates
400 million in new money over 4 years
Optional hat
Strike Signs can be purchased for a $40 donation to Ronald MacDonald House

Still have to play custodian with the cabins or is that old news?

[QKZXKV]

Hats? This was about hats?

Make sure you get plenty of scrambled eggs on those hats. They look really good with scrambled eggs.

Old timers will recall the laughs we used to have about the old, tired tradition of pilots hats in the early days of WestJet.

It was a badge of honor to have the leather flight jacket and no hats.

I guess things have changed.

Congrats to all on getting this deal done.

Yeah... glad they're giving them the option with it. Never thought in this era there's any point to them (identifiable is a blessing and a curse).