FelixGustof wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2025 9:25 pm
Are 67% pilots really that happy having the worst legacy pilot contract in the industry?
Honest question.
Not the ones who know their worth.
Delta just got their 10% bonus on top of their vastly superior pay & quality of life guarantees.
They would never entertain giving up their bonus for percentage gains that barely meet what other airline pilot groups are getting.
This is simply people covering up their tracks because their egos can't handle the truth that the pilot group failed to reach max gains. It's just business but some have hurt buttholes and need to rationalize being the ass end of legacy airline pilots.
It's like ACPA all over again. Sad.
What makes you think a strike wouldn't go to arbitration? What makes you think an arbitrator would give more than a single digit percentage increase?
Pretty much every large union last year that striked got sent to arbitration!
Imagine coming off a historical disaster of a 10 yrs deal and becoming the laughing stock of aviation THEN thinking you could be forced into single digit gains when every single metric including the company itself admiting big changes were needed.
Somehow the WestJet mechanics figured it out, yet ALPA cucks want you to believe that you had to settle otherwise the feds would have rounded you up and chained you to the controls. An absolute joke of a union.
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Retro pay is customarily, in fact almost always, negotiated in new contracts. But it is not legally required. In fact, while the company actually calculated it as retroactive pay, they very carefully described it as a ratification bonus so as not to legally entrench it if we didn’t ratify the contract.
I can speak from personal experience, that once as a result of an acrimonious labor arbitration, and once as a result of an actual strike, retroactive pay was not achieved. Legally you continue to work under the old pay rates until the new contract is in force, not from the date the old contract expired.
sportingrifle wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 8:23 pm
Retro pay is customarily, in fact almost always, negotiated in new contracts. But it is not legally required. In fact, while the company actually calculated it as retroactive pay, they very carefully described it as a ratification bonus so as not to legally entrench it if we didn’t ratify the contract.
I can speak from personal experience, that once as a result of an acrimonious labor arbitration, and once as a result of an actual strike, retroactive pay was not achieved. Legally you continue to work under the old pay rates until the new contract is in force, not from the date the old contract expired.
It was negotiated as ratification pay and not retro pay so as to not reward the VO hogs flying 100 hrs every month while most of us just flew our blocks. Also as the calculation went back to 2023 so as to not trigger T4 adjustments on work in the previous year.
sportingrifle wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 8:23 pm
Retro pay is customarily, in fact almost always, negotiated in new contracts. But it is not legally required. In fact, while the company actually calculated it as retroactive pay, they very carefully described it as a ratification bonus so as not to legally entrench it if we didn’t ratify the contract.
I can speak from personal experience, that once as a result of an acrimonious labor arbitration, and once as a result of an actual strike, retroactive pay was not achieved. Legally you continue to work under the old pay rates until the new contract is in force, not from the date the old contract expired.
and those pigs who did VO during negots didn't get a penny more than someone who flew the contract to the letter
SportingRifle. wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 3:22 pm
I am just a weak Yes voter that has voted Yes to everything and is scared of ever saying no to my overlords. Sorry for being a giant pussy.
Regards, SR
Well it’s said the first step in recovery is admitting your the problem…
sportingrifle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 10:48 pm
The real sportingrifle has walked 2 pilot picket lines in an attempt to better the proffession How many have you walked?
If you're going to get all self righteous about protecting the 'profession', at least spell it right. You look like a uneducated meat head.
FelixGustof wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2025 9:25 pm
Are 67% pilots really that happy having the worst legacy pilot contract in the industry?
Honest question.
Not the ones who know their worth.
Delta just got their 10% bonus on top of their vastly superior pay & quality of life guarantees.
They would never entertain giving up their bonus for percentage gains that barely meet what other airline pilot groups are getting.
This is simply people covering up their tracks because their egos can't handle the truth that the pilot group failed to reach max gains. It's just business but some have hurt buttholes and need to rationalize being the ass end of legacy airline pilots.
It's like ACPA all over again. Sad.
What makes you think a strike wouldn't go to arbitration? What makes you think an arbitrator would give more than a single digit percentage increase?
Pretty much every large union last year that striked got sent to arbitration!
It is crazy Air Canada pilots thought there was a chance they could get less than WestJet pilots - an airline owned by a penny pinching corporation with a low cost model.
Truly shows the level of what some Air Canada pilots think they are worth
Delta just got their 10% bonus on top of their vastly superior pay & quality of life guarantees.
They would never entertain giving up their bonus for percentage gains that barely meet what other airline pilot groups are getting.
This is simply people covering up their tracks because their egos can't handle the truth that the pilot group failed to reach max gains. It's just business but some have hurt buttholes and need to rationalize being the ass end of legacy airline pilots.
It's like ACPA all over again. Sad.
What makes you think a strike wouldn't go to arbitration? What makes you think an arbitrator would give more than a single digit percentage increase?
Pretty much every large union last year that striked got sent to arbitration!
It is crazy Air Canada pilots thought there was a chance they could get less than WestJet pilots - an airline owned by a penny pinching corporation with a low cost model.
Truly shows the level of what some Air Canada pilots think they are worth
Can you show me an actual case arbitrated in Canada that was a double digit increase for a similar sector?
Delta just got their 10% bonus on top of their vastly superior pay & quality of life guarantees.
They would never entertain giving up their bonus for percentage gains that barely meet what other airline pilot groups are getting.
This is simply people covering up their tracks because their egos can't handle the truth that the pilot group failed to reach max gains. It's just business but some have hurt buttholes and need to rationalize being the ass end of legacy airline pilots.
It's like ACPA all over again. Sad.
What makes you think a strike wouldn't go to arbitration? What makes you think an arbitrator would give more than a single digit percentage increase?
Pretty much every large union last year that striked got sent to arbitration!
Imagine coming off a historical disaster of a 10 yrs deal and becoming the laughing stock of aviation THEN thinking you could be forced into single digit gains when every single metric including the company itself admiting big changes were needed.
Imagine being that dumb
The difference is, I have EVIDENCE! Look at every case with Arbitration in Canada?
Delta just got their 10% bonus on top of their vastly superior pay & quality of life guarantees.
They would never entertain giving up their bonus for percentage gains that barely meet what other airline pilot groups are getting.
This is simply people covering up their tracks because their egos can't handle the truth that the pilot group failed to reach max gains. It's just business but some have hurt buttholes and need to rationalize being the ass end of legacy airline pilots.
It's like ACPA all over again. Sad.
What makes you think a strike wouldn't go to arbitration? What makes you think an arbitrator would give more than a single digit percentage increase?
Pretty much every large union last year that striked got sent to arbitration!
Lol...Air Canada pilots were so pathetically paid and had been negotiating for a year with a well known mediator. There was a clear paper trail of negotiating.
The leaked offer was already 25% with Pierre Poilievre publicly stating he didn't understand why AC pilots make so much less than US pilots. Even to match WJ a massive raise was required.
This is one hilariously gutless post. @#$! me.
Can you show me evidence? Screw what PP says, he will change whatever his tune is to get votes. He said he would have never let the rail workers strike!
CaptDukeNukem wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2025 12:46 pm
Dude. You sound rather angry. Take a day off from avcanada. Go play in the snow.
It’s a weekend after all
Not angry at all, just asking people to back up their claims
Its a fact Air Canada pilots have the worst contract of any legacy pilot group and it isn't even close. Worst part is that it wasn't always like this.
And the fact a low cost carrier in Canada was making more and now has better quality of life items is just pathetic.
Those are the facts
Cool show me a "facts" that involve an arbitrator, I'm not arguing the contract is shit, just that I have never seen double digit increases awarded that weren't like 12% over 4 years types of arrangements!