RECALL OF CB

[Teamgrifter]

Hithere,

First of all, I am not a rep.

Second of all, I wouldn’t know anything about NDAs.

Third of all, when any ELECTED LEC rep feels like telling their constituents that something stinks in Denmark, they can TOTALLY do so. Yes they can. It is, in fact, part of their duty to their members. Any day of the week and twice on Sundays. And since they are the only ones we can elect, and do elect, then they are the ones we put our trust in, no?

Now that being said, we have F/o reps across the country who twiddle their thumbs while waiting for a call from AC. They are afraid of CB , thinking naively that their AC dates are in jeopardy or believing they’ll get their seniority reserved at AC. The YYC one is especially an airhead. Endeavour memes abound these days that liken her to those memes.

You wanna have a good question to ask?

Ask if the YYZ f/o rep has a RAIC. I’d also like to know the answer to that question.

[cdnavater]

Hithere,

First of all, I am not a rep.

Second of all, I wouldn’t know anything about NDAs.

Third of all, when any ELECTED LEC rep feels like telling their constituents that something stinks in Denmark, they can TOTALLY do so. Yes they can. It is, in fact, part of their duty to their members. Any day of the week and twice on Sundays. And since they are the only ones we can elect, and do elect, then they are the ones we put our trust in, no?

Now that being said, we have F/o reps across the country who twiddle their thumbs while waiting for a call from AC. They are afraid of CB , thinking naively that their AC dates are in jeopardy or believing they’ll get their seniority reserved at AC. The YYC one is especially an airhead. Endeavour memes abound these days that liken her to those memes.

You wanna have a good question to ask?

Ask if the YYZ f/o rep has a RAIC. I’d also like to know the answer to that question.

So, let me get this straight, a rep told you some non specific information that something isn’t right and now you’re leading the charge!
The Captain rep in YUL has a grudge, full stop, you are being used in a personal attack by someone with a personal vendetta! How does it feel to be a tool!

[hithere]

Hithere,

First of all, I am not a rep.

Second of all, I wouldn’t know anything about NDAs.

Third of all, when any ELECTED LEC rep feels like telling their constituents that something stinks in Denmark, they can TOTALLY do so. Yes they can. It is, in fact, part of their duty to their members. Any day of the week and twice on Sundays. And since they are the only ones we can elect, and do elect, then they are the ones we put our trust in, no?

Now that being said, we have F/o reps across the country who twiddle their thumbs while waiting for a call from AC. They are afraid of CB , thinking naively that their AC dates are in jeopardy or believing they’ll get their seniority reserved at AC. The YYC one is especially an airhead. Endeavour memes abound these days that liken her to those memes.

You wanna have a good question to ask?

Ask if the YYZ f/o rep has a RAIC. I’d also like to know the answer to that question.

Wow, ok , cool. Personal attacks right off the hop. I think the casual reader has gleaned all they need to know from your response. Thanks for that.
So here is the irony… none of the FO reps stated goals from LEC meetings is to go to AC and one of them as you correctly stated, does not currently have a RAIC because they are a sim instructor. So… isn’t that the type of person that you want in a rep? Someone who wants to stay at Jazz and make it a better place?
And since you believe that the exec is trying to sell the membership down the river, why is it that some of the Captain Reps(some of whom only have a couple of years left before retirement) are in favour of exec removal, while all of the FO reps are not? Remember the FO reps are the ones who would supposedly have to toil under this horrible future that you believe we are facing with the current exec?
The current exec didn’t leave during the PML 1.0 in 2015 which was the golden parachute for anyone wanting out. Yet they are here trying to make this place better for everyone. If they wanted out they would have been gone long ago. This is not an EVAS or Georgian situation where the exec is just trying to cut a deal to get the hell out of there.

[Teamgrifter]

No. No one came to me or us.

We are here to put our heel on a throat. Out of disgust. And that heel has been placed. Only the weight of it is left to bare. And it will be.

Cheers.

[truedude]

No. No one came to me or us.

We are here to put our heel on a throat. Out of disgust. And that heel has been placed. Only the weight of it is left to bare. And it will be.

Cheers.

Have you been drinking? Because this rhetoric is unhinged... even by avcanada standards.

[Teamgrifter]

Unhinged? A little metaphor got you all twisted up there Karen? I highly doubt any low bar on avcanada has even remotely been breached lol.

As for the YYZ f/o rep. It’s not that he doesn’t need a raic in the training department silly. It’s cause he can’t get a raic that he was placed in the training department. A deal was struck. When did we hear about it? Do we all get that deal? Is it in our collective agreement? Show me where? A person would probably be very thankful for that, no? I mean maybe they would vote any way their benefactor says, no? Maybe?
It certainly isn’t the same as not having a medical or waiting for one.

The point is to demonstrate the rot and stink, we could care less about the yyz f/o rep and his poor life decisions.

Get rid of the stinky one, CB and his executive disciples, and clear the air. We want clean air. Demand change.

[cdnavater]

Unhinged? A little metaphor got you all twisted up there Karen? I highly doubt any low bar on avcanada has even remotely been breached lol.

As for the YYZ f/o rep. It’s not that he doesn’t need a raic in the training department silly. It’s cause he can’t get a raic that he was placed in the training department. A deal was struck. When did we hear about it? Do we all get that deal? Is it in our collective agreement? Show me where? A person would probably be very thankful for that, no? I mean maybe they would vote any way their benefactor says, no? Maybe?
It certainly isn’t the same as not having a medical or waiting for one.

The point is to demonstrate the rot and stink, we could care less about the yyz f/o rep and his poor life decisions.

Get rid of the stinky one, CB and his executive disciples, and clear the air. We want clean air. Demand change.

You know that rep was up for reelection last year(ish) and I believe he won by acclamation but either way he was voted in.
This 18 months you speak of, is the timeline given the circumstances, it has not been entirely courting AC ALPA. he has been trying to build a relationship back that has been extremely strained over the last several decades. It is something that needed to be attempted and believe me, I am one of the most bitter people about the past you will meet.
We will accomplish more by coordinating and reducing the whipsaw effect that management likes to use, if you think painting that 37 in “Express” was a “mistake” you would be very sadly mistaken. Nothing that antagonizes the pilots is ever a mistake and look at the effect, CB had to put on t an email stating there have been no discussions about Jazz pilots flying the 37.
So, answer the question, if you are successful, who will replace him?
I don’t support this but the people that do need to answer that question, for example, if it’s to replace him with GR who has been one of the biggest pigs at the trough ever, so much so they removed the ability to see how much OT he(all of us) was doing, then ABSOLUTELY FU CKEN NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS!!!

[Teamgrifter]

Well I think replacement will come organically. I have no idea who is interested just that there is always some interest. I think it could and would be done seamlessly in fact. Many of us do.

I understand fully the challenges that face us as you seem to as well. But for some to think only one man, one executive can achieve results is a fallacy. CB is very good at letting no crisis go to waste and exploiting it to HIS political benefit, in whatever predatory or secretive manners he deems fit, over the better interest of the group he represents.

[Teamgrifter]

The YYZ fo was an example of lack of transparency and side deals. One example out of possibly many out there no one knows about.

That story can easily be retraced in the media as it made the news. Poor choices, choices of friends, whatever.

Again, do we all get such deals?

Don’t shoot the people pointing out the rotten apple. Throw the apple out. And this references CB. Not the YYZ fo.

Someone mentioned “quebec mafia”. Probably more like “east coast mafia”.

Recall is an ALPA tool btw. No one going out of bounds here. Some may not like the tool, but it is a tool nonetheless.

Some who don’t like certain rhetoric or whatever need to reflect upon the fact that CB has brought us to this point. Some who refer to “mob” just because of a different pov can pound their fascist heads against a wall for all we care.

Get rid of the rotten apple before it spoils the bunch.

[Teamgrifter]

And it is absolutely not the “timeline given the circumstances”. It is the timeline given the futile effort spent on this by CB. Could have been settled by now.

Seriously, you come up with some CB-type catch phrases a lot. What’s next? It’s ok to “drown a few puppies” or “your’re going down the rabbit hole”.

Ask the people who lost their proper seniority if they like to be “drowned puppies”. Ask those who’ve stayed if they like “rabbit holes”.

The only people that haven’t realized they’ve gone down the rabbit hole is CB and his shoe-shine boys.

Furthermore, this narcissist idiot, as far as we have heard, felt so confident in CH and the result he would get, that he may have actually divulged past and present (meaning prior to ACA signing) strategic planning!!! Mmmm. That DCC tastes good (not).

Now that’s almost treacherous. And kept all this she-ite from the MEC. Wow.

Now he’ll probably sing a different tune to cover his tracks.

He’ll go on and on about his “relationships” with management and MS at AC blah blah blah. The same MS that took a great pay scale for what we do and shoved it straight up CB’s rear end. Like CB’s the only one who can get it done. It’s all bull she-ite. Anyone can get that result.

Demand change. Email your reps. Get rid of teamlosers! Everyone knows they’re already “teamgrifters”.

Grifter:
A con man. Someone who pulls confidence games. At Jazz, CB.

[Teamgrifter]

Hey cdnaviator, or whatever you call yourself, how do you like that irony?

Thanks for coming out.

[hithere]

No. No one came to me or us.

We are here to put our heel on a throat. Out of disgust. And that heel has been placed. Only the weight of it is left to bare. And it will be.

Cheers.

So how did your meeting go today? Did you get to “put your heel on a throat” ?

[Teamgrifter]

YUL pilots passed 2 motions:

1) motion to recall the MEC Executive

2) motion for detailed accounting as to the savings the Lincoln Aviator provided over the first year of ownership. This to include many other factors in relation to new office and extravagant furnishings, boozed filled liquor cabinets, etc…

[Teamgrifter]

Additionally, feedback is that detailed information was provided outlining CB’s outlandish behaviour including:

1) stating to the MEC there was no plan in place one week before the CIRB meeting when in fact there was.

2) soliciting support from fellow MEC members and the failed MEC Chair CH (ACA) to join ALPA Canada and forever leave his current Chairman position, claiming the ULP was a done deal (this is back in October lol). Of course, since he is despised by most counterparts at other carriers, he withdrew his bid to join.

CB did not show up apparently. As a YUL pilot, no invitation was necessary for him to attend.

[Teamgrifter]

Bottom line: CB is not required to conclude this ULP. He made that case HIMSELF by intending to leave the MEC Executive, forever, for ALPA Canada prior to the ULP’s conclusion.

Time to go. NOW.

[hithere]

Those are the claims/opinions of 2/3 of the YUL reps(one of whom is non-voting at the MEC level). Strangely the other voting YUL rep is adamantly opposed to these motions. He has been at the MEC meetings/office several times. So he must be blind or deaf because he does not agree with your assertions. I guess we need to see how the reps in the other bases feel. Regardless of the result, we will move on. Or, if the vote doesn’t go your way, will you accept it? You seem very Trumpian to me

[Teamgrifter]

*personal attack removed by Sulako* Do better.

Secondly, the fo rep and the negotiating committee member in attendance were clearly asked, and didn’t deny, the aforementioned issues. They had to agree these things took place. Because they did. And they were asked directly. Everyone witnessed this and that’s how the word spreads and you got your answer on this board.

[hithere]

Buddy you are quite the piece of work with your insults and earlier “heel on a throat” madness. I tried to keep it civil but you went off the rails. I know your type.
Anyway a national email came out and you got your wish for a formal recall vote next week. Should be interesting but which ever way it goes we need to accept the result and move forward for the benefit of the pilot group.

[CaptDukeNukem]

*personal attack removed by Sulako* Do better.

Secondly, the fo rep and the negotiating committee member in attendance were clearly asked, and didn’t deny, the aforementioned issues. They had to agree these things took place. Because they did. And they were asked directly. Everyone witnessed this and that’s how the word spreads and you got your answer on this board.

I missed your personal Attack comment, but If you’re being moderated, it shows to me that you have the inability to think clearly. I’ve definitely posted some negative words about jazz and their union’s inability to provide any forward steps in a process that requires years of patience.

Do better, in sulako’s words.

[Teamgrifter]

Well I saw it as 2 recommendations for hithere, delivered with mustard on top. Whatever. I accept the moderator’s decision.

The exec has called this vote rapidly while they believe they still have the votes. As momentum builds, and it is, they may lose the votes within a few weeks. An expected move by the exec. However, the YUL motion stands regardless, and so this will be revisited in due course, sooner than later. Tuesday is not the end, probably more like part of the beginning.

Then there’s the motion on expenses saved by purchasing a vehicle. This motion is not subject to MEC vote and is a very interesting one. It encompasses total expenses since purchasing the vehicle and getting a new office. It is suspected that purchasing the vehicle, industrial kitchen appliances (high end Miele etc..), vast alcohol stores, catering (for themselves, even though they got said kitchen lol)), a TV best described as a “jumbotron” and probable personal use of the vehicle (uh-oh) and other things that demonstrate a misleading claim of any savings, and more likely, increased expenditures. Even more so, it demonstrates a complete disregard and lack of respect for the dues paying pilots at Jazz. As far as I know, there is no other Canadian ALPA MEC with its own vehicle. We’re 1200 pilots. We’re not Delta, or United, or even ACA. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, as they say.

Again, CB was ready to leave his position as Chairman FOREVER had he been able to get on the Canada Board. He said HIMSELF he wasn’t particularly needed to wrap up the ULP. Wasn’t wanted one bit by anyone on that Canada Board. Maybe flying an aircraft on the line is beneath him.

But hey, he got a nice trip with CH to Hawaii paid for by JAZ and ACA! Wow.

Email your reps.

Cheers, even you hithere and duke.

[Teamgrifter]

Let’s look at this another way.

A person walks into the police station and claims their spouse has abused them. Physically, mentally, emotionally, economically, whatever. They have at least circumstantial proof, if not concrete proof, that this is the case. They ask the police for help and to investigate.

Is it correct for the police to say “nothing to see here, go back home to your abuser”. Or should the police at least have a look at things.

I think they should have a look at things to determine the validity of the claim, at a minimum. They’ve had a look things.

It seems some are so enamoured by CB, or in some kind of fear or fog or Stockholm syndrome, that they think he is beyond reproach or question. Almost like a battered pilot syndrome.

The fact that CB was going to leave is aforementioned and confirmed. These are facts. The suspicions of other things will highly likely be proven true. We shall see.

So, while you’re busy shooting a messenger, take a time-out and think just a lil harder about who is abusing who. And consider how you’ve been abused or taken advantage of.

[hithere]

“The exec has called this vote rapidly while they believe they still have the votes. As momentum builds, and it is, they may lose the votes within a few weeks. An expected move by the exec. However, the YUL motion stands regardless, and so this will be revisited in due course, sooner than later. Tuesday is not the end, probably more like part of the beginning.“

So you will not accept the results of the recall vote if it does not go your way.
Got it

[Teamgrifter]

I think you’re a selective reader. Got it. Keep carrying that water for him. Without insult, I think you’re built for the job.

Oh btw, I almost forgot. CB got himself into the Chairman position originally by recall. It was not unanimous. At the the time, some called it a “coup”.

hithere, this the process. It seems you don’t get it. I have a child that thinks like you. She’s 9 years old.

[Teamgrifter]

I hope they, at least, give you a free hot dog after you wax the Aviator.

[Teamgrifter]

What was I thinking! Of course you’ll get your hot dog for the wax job! Good boy.

And then the exec will make an expense claim for it! But what about that super kitchen? Are hot dogs below Miele microwave standards? Like flying the line for our Chairman? Those microwaves must surely refuse to heat up a hot dog. Snobby of them. Expense it! No matter what, hithere gets a hot dog, and pilots pay dues for me not to fly. And we’ll keep the change.

I dunno where my mind was there for a second. Sheesh.