Does anyone know what the MEC is actually trying to get out of the ULP?

[cdnavater]

No they don’t. You still haven’t been able to cite a source. It’s a lofty goal, but repeating it over and over isn’t going to make it true.

Yes they can. Why do you think AC filed for intervener status. Because they were told a decision could be made that impacted their interests

At least it won’t impact the interests of the AC pilots, who cares what happens to the company.

You misunderstood, AC ALPA filed for intervener status, AC the company was a named party.

[Nick678]

ACA ALPA isnt the one definding our interest, JZA ALPA is... I actually spent time talking with those involved and you are right, ACA ALPA is defending the whole roster, not only the 285.

Last I heard it needs to be a 4 party solution and I can’t see these groups agreeing to a lunch order. Likely a CIRB imposed solution, and they do have the power to modify seniority lists.

No they don’t. You still haven’t been able to cite a source. It’s a lofty goal, but repeating it over and over isn’t going to make it true.

I'll hold your hand for this - in google enter. "does CIRB have the power to modify seniority lists"

[cdnavater]

Last I heard it needs to be a 4 party solution and I can’t see these groups agreeing to a lunch order. Likely a CIRB imposed solution, and they do have the power to modify seniority lists.

No they don’t. You still haven’t been able to cite a source. It’s a lofty goal, but repeating it over and over isn’t going to make it true.

I'll hold your hand for this - in google enter. "does CIRB have the power to modify seniority lists"

You could provide the link, it’s not super easy to find precise information but all you really need to do is find the Sunwing/Westjet Pilot merger decision to see that the decision was from the CIRB.
Someone will argue that’s a merger but that is not relevant, the CIRB are the ones deciding on where people fit in that list based on arguments made on both sides, that is the important part to focus on.

[crystalpizza]

From Google's AI bot:

Yes, the Canada Industrial Relations Board (CIRB) can modify seniority lists, but typically only under specific circumstances. The CIRB's power to alter seniority lists is generally limited to situations where it is exercising its review powers, such as in cases of reconsideration or judicial review. The CIRB cannot arbitrarily modify seniority lists; any changes must be justified and aligned with the principles outlined in the relevant legislation and jurisprudence.

Here's a more detailed explanation:

Review Powers:
The CIRB has the authority to review decisions related to seniority lists, particularly when an arbitrator's decision is involved. For example, in the Air Canada/Canadian Airlines merger, the CIRB reviewed an arbitrator's decision on how to merge seniority lists and ordered the parties to negotiate a new resolution based on principles outlined by the Board.

Reconsideration and Judicial Review:
If a party believes a CIRB decision is unreasonable or contains a serious error, they can apply for reconsideration by the CIRB or for judicial review by the Federal Court of Appeal.

Limitations:
While the CIRB can review and potentially alter seniority lists, there are limitations. The Board must consider the specific circumstances, such as the need for changes due to operational reasons or valid reasons for merging bargaining units. Mere imposition of a majority will on a minority is unlikely to be sufficient justification for changing seniority provisions.

Negotiated Changes:
Seniority lists are often subject to collective bargaining and negotiated changes. The CIRB may need to assess such changes in the context of the specific bargaining unit and its evolution.