Sim Evaluation

[ZBBYLW]

6 crossings a month ???!!
@#$! that

junior schedules seems to be that, bunch of CDG / LHR , 24 hour layover, good thing is you are gone 48 hour, compares to the brutal 4 dayer 12 legs pairing we get on narrow body.

To each his own. I’d much rather do 3 legs a day on a NB and be within 2 time zones than do a long red eye, stay up, reset your body clock, then do it again on the way back.

How come you guys didn’t go for a WB cap on the last world standard premium elite contract ?

[flyingcanuck]

junior schedules seems to be that, bunch of CDG / LHR , 24 hour layover, good thing is you are gone 48 hour, compares to the brutal 4 dayer 12 legs pairing we get on narrow body.

To each his own. I’d much rather do 3 legs a day on a NB and be within 2 time zones than do a long red eye, stay up, reset your body clock, then do it again on the way back.

How come you guys didn’t go for a WB cap on the last world standard premium elite contract ?

A cap is a bandaid solution. We need better pairings and rules. Schedules are shit on the NB because of the cap and the scheduling program "unstacks" senior schedules to make it all work.

[yycflyguy]

6 crossings a month ???!!
@#$! that

junior schedules seems to be that, bunch of CDG / LHR , 24 hour layover, good thing is you are gone 48 hour, compares to the brutal 4 dayer 12 legs pairing we get on narrow body.

To each his own. I’d much rather do 3 legs a day on a NB and be within 2 time zones than do a long red eye, stay up, reset your body clock, then do it again on the way back.

How come you guys didn’t go for a WB cap on the last world standard premium elite contract ?

Because of the word "seniority"

Once you have it on most WBs you can either fly productive pairings to get your number of days down per month

or

bid long layovers get paid 4 hours a day THG to sit in a pub in Europe which minimizes the number of hours my ass in the chair.

The narrow body 16 day cap backfired spectacularly for guys above 50% in any NB seat during busy months as they got optimized and ended up working 16 days doing flying they want to avoid anyway.

[Hangry]

junior schedules seems to be that, bunch of CDG / LHR , 24 hour layover, good thing is you are gone 48 hour, compares to the brutal 4 dayer 12 legs pairing we get on narrow body.

To each his own. I’d much rather do 3 legs a day on a NB and be within 2 time zones than do a long red eye, stay up, reset your body clock, then do it again on the way back.

How come you guys didn’t go for a WB cap on the last world standard premium elite contract ?

Because of the word "seniority"

Once you have it on most WBs you can either fly productive pairings to get your number of days down per month

or

bid long layovers get paid 4 hours a day THG to sit in a pub in Europe which minimizes the number of hours my ass in the chair.

The narrow body 16 day cap backfired spectacularly for guys above 50% in any NB seat during busy months as they got optimized and ended up working 16 days doing flying they want to avoid anyway.

No pilot should have to work 20 days so another can work 9. Seniority be damned. Let’s modernize and give guys and girls a semblance of QOL. From a relatively senior pilot.

[Rooster69]

During every negotiations, we always talk about improving QOL, but in the end, it always boils down to more money with little improvements in Blocks, pairings and reserve rules.

[TheStig]

Hangry, I disagree for the reasons yycflyguy stated. I took a look though the July blocks. YUL 330 seem to be the worst, the junior reserve pilot was 16 positions from the bottom to avoid the 17-18 day blocks of YYC, BOG, and CMN layovers. A couple of the junior block holders have ART bringing them up to 19 days, I didn't see any 20 day months.

The YUL 777 flying is similar, YUL-CDG-YUL 5.5 times per month for 87.5 hours and 16 days, a few pilots utilising their 'special days off' to get weekends off they otherwise wouldn't have held off. The difference between the 330 and the 777 is that the senior pilots (eg FO's with 18+ YOS vs junior FO's 1 year of service on the 777) are working 9 days of 3 NRT pairings.

If there was a cap on wide body flying every July and August every single pilot would be working to that cap. I think we're much better off negotiating other benefits rather than handing over that control to the company. The ability to choose whether you'd like training inside or outside of the DBM would be a good start, as would increases to THG or DPG.