University degree

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:46 pm

gru wrote:It seems we might be going slightly askew here. I was never trying to get something for nothing. I was, however, trying to take what I already have, amalgamate that with new courses, and end up with a recognized piece of paper. I appreciate the constructive posts.

Ya, you'll notice that you have to squawk 7500 on avcanada from time to time...

Go get the advanced standing. It's totally legit, do it. Save yourself some time and money.

beechy wrote: I merely said if you want to get a degree in a certain area are then do it and follow the program, it was set up by professionals who know what it takes to get something from it at the end.

Funny, the system for granting credit for prior learning would be setup by the same people. So why is one ok and the other not? Seems you're in conflict with yourself here Beechy. Why is it so wrong to get credit within the rules, Gru isn't asking for the address of the 'degree granting shack of Aruba'. He's not buying a degree, just asking for credit where credit is due. Does it de-value your (alleged) work for him to get a degree in less than 4 years? Do you really think he's going to steal a job away from you because of this? Or that your paper is worth less because of his success? I really don't understand your problem here.

I'd rather see people who aren't idiots get degrees with transfer/PLA (prior learning assesment) credit than some of the morons I sit in class with. I got about half a degree worth of credit toward my bachelor, am I to be less valued than you? Everything is on the up and up here.

Gru, go for it, get whatever you can. There is no reason you should have to go to the 101 level if you don't belong there.

beechy · Post by **beechy** » Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:43 pm

Gru, go for it, get whatever you can. There is no reason you should have to go to the 101 level if you don't belong there.

Coming out of high school you are generally above the 101 level. You still start at scratch. The first year is meant to get everyone to the same level and to help show a various number of subjects.

I don't have a problem, and could give a shit if he did get a job before me....i am simply saying start from scratch everyone else does, it is better for you. I wasn't trying to rude or snotty. I don't think i am better then you or anyone else because i did a four year program ......i am happy i did, and would encourage others to do the same.......Things go easier for you if you start from the beggining, that is my advice, end subject.......

As for my thesis no not on gravity. On something that hadn't been done before, but will prove to be an eye opener on climatic changes.

fingersmac · Post by **fingersmac** » Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:29 pm

Why on earth would you start from scratch when universities and colleges across Canada offer PLARs (Prior Learning Assessment and Recognition) to students who have gained valuable knowledge from other sources, such as previous work experience.

Perhaps it would make sense to attend university for three/four years if you were 18 and fresh out of high school! At that age university is as much about the experience as it is about the post-secondary education. For those of us that choose to attend university later in life or while working full time, gaining as much credit as possible through PLARs or credits earned at other post-secondary institutions is the most logical way to proceed. We're not there for the experience, just the education and subsequent degree/'piece-of-paper-to-qualify-for-a-better-job'. Universities and colleges that offer PLAR require you to prove that you deserve credit for any courses you're looking to be exempt from; they don't just handout credit where credit is not deserved. PLAR isn't for everyone and it also depends on the core courses and electives offered within your area of study.

I've been in first year classes for university and two college diplomas and students coming right out of highschool for the most part are prepared for freshman year. I don't think many where "above the 101 level"; I certainly wasn't.

fingersmac · Post by **fingersmac** » Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:38 pm

Gru: I suggest you look into Athabasca University. It is an open university that offers the majority of its courses and degree programs online, but unlike those "online universities" in the US, it's a fully accredited institution. It is as much a university as Queens, McGill, UFT, UBC, etc. They offer PLARs and last I heard they were giving credit for various Pilot Licenses. For more information check out their site:

http://www.athabascau.ca/

Hedley · Post by **Hedley** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:48 am

The internet is amazing. You can run, but you can't hide. I was able to locate a copy of beechy's master's thesis.

For your viewing pleasure:

http://www.eng.usf.edu/~dionson/ezzay/

beechy · Post by **beechy** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:11 am

Hedley's, blonde?

By the way it was a masters level thesis, not a masters thesis.......but i guess you have as much trouble reading as I do spelling......

wirez · Post by **wirez** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:06 am

I'm currently working full time at AC as a flight attendant, as well as doing my bachelors at university and working on my CPL. Consider looking at ERAU Online if you want credits for pilots license. (I'm not there, but have considered it), and tuition there is a hell lot cheaper than being on their campus (comparable to many canadian universities). I believe they award 34 credits for a CPL, and you need 120 to graduate. Shaves a year right off there.

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 6:31 am

Not to be snide, but what's the diff between a Master's Level Thesis, and a Master's Thesis?

I got kicked out of 2 universities in my younger years, and am currently banned from universities in Ontario. So I don't know shit.

BUT, I would like to know the difference. Now that I've discovered how to study, developed a work ethic and learned how to put down the bottle from time to time, I might still go to University (in another province). And have to do some kind of thesis. What's the difference?

-istp

beechy · Post by **beechy** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 6:48 am

What it meant is this.....

the thesis i did was meant more for a masters student, in other words it was a lot more work then a normal undergrad thesis. 2 years to do a masters vs. 6months or so for an honours. So if you have a prof. who is unorganised and rather spacey you can wind up doing alot more work then all your peers.

So basically the one i did would have been better assigned to a masters student, who would have had 2 years to do it...as oposed to squeezing it into 6 months work (leaving me exhausted).......btw, i am in way trying to sound pompass.

Hedley · Post by **Hedley** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:07 am

So Beechy, you are claiming to have done the work for a Master's degree but were only granted a Bachelor's degree.

That doesn't sound very bright to me.

In addition, you don't take responsibility for your own mistakes, but prefer to blame others when something goes wrong (ie your supervising Professor). Hmmmm.

gru · Post by **gru** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:08 am

So far, not counting the numerous diversions, we have AU, ERAU and some non-online options. Are there any others? It doesn't have to be aviation specific.

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:09 am

Oh. I did a PhD thesis paper in first year communications at Sault College.

Well, you're still ahead of me, beechy. But no one likes pompous people (just look at Hedley! OOOOOOHHHH!!

:lol:). You did a paper you're proud of. Nothing wrong with that, but c'mon was it really THAT good? Consider yourself taken down a notch.

And....I'm serious here.. good job!

-istp

Hedley · Post by **Hedley** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:28 am

pompous people

Me? Pompous? I gotta be the most down-to-earth person I know ... I wander around unshaven with grit underneath my fingernails, grease stains on my hands, and butyrate on my jeans ...

Now, if you called me an *sshole, I'd have to agree with you .... just keep in mind that I'm your *sshole

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 9:10 am

I dunno, Hedley...

I've seen some pretty, "I'm the greatest pilot in the world" comin' out of you lately...

However, I have no doubt that we could have beers, laud flight, and bash women for hours.

-istp

av8tor_assrope · Post by **av8tor_assrope** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 9:17 am

the closest thing i did to “work” in university was trying to ascertain the exact amount of alcohol I’d need in my blood, in order to find my 2nd yr lab partner attractive….and she was from saskatoon!!!!!

Walker · Post by **Walker** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:00 am

Hedley wrote:The internet is amazing. You can run, but you can't hide. I was able to locate a copy of beechy's master's thesis.

For your viewing pleasure:

http://www.eng.usf.edu/~dionson/ezzay/

OMFG that just made my morning SO MUCH BETTER

Thanks Hedley!

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 5:24 pm

gru wrote:So far, not counting the numerous diversions, we have AU, ERAU and some non-online options. Are there any others? It doesn't have to be aviation specific.

I'm finishing up at University College of the Fraser Valley right now. If you're looking for lots of credit, they have a Bachelor of General Studies. Basically you do 2-3 classes in the major disciplines (they're grouped into 6 or so divisions) at the lower level, then take whatever the hell you want at the upper level and round it all out with whatever other electives you want.

Class sizes are small (36 max in most cases) and the work is fairly easy (ofcourse I choose the easy courses

), the only drawback being that it's in Abbotsford. Most of the students commute and there are few decent bars in town so not much of a party life (though they are opening a res next year).

They have distance ed, but I don't know much about it. If you're looking to take a year or two and zip through a degree quick, it's an option. I would say that you should plan your courses out from the get-go to make sure you'll meet all the requirements. It can be a pain in the ass to find out your one class short in a particular area when they cancel the class you wanted.

I'd also look into U Manitoba. They have an extensive program for military members who can't attend a campus and their distance ed is well developed (ok, I should apply a caviate here, this is what Ive heard, I have no experience with U Man. ) Check it out : http://umanitoba.ca/

CLguy · Post by **CLguy** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 6:10 pm

Gru, I agree with Fingersmac. Check out Athabasca University. You will probably find they are what you are looking for!

beechy · Post by **beechy** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:31 pm

it was merely a statement of fact, no excuses no blaming other people.. I am proud of it, was a damn good paper.....Will be published in a journal quite soon. Sorry for standing up for myself i rarely do.

Maybe it wasn't the bright thing to do, but i was helping out a really nice prof. who lacks the funding for proper grad students because he is fairly new.

Anyways i am tired of this thread, it is boring and repetetive.

C-GPFG · Post by **C-GPFG** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:57 pm

Hedley wrote:Anyone remember the "four forces of flight" thread, where a certain flight instructor, who claims to have a degree, claimed that gravity was a result of the rotation of the earth?

I haven't read that thread, but Newton related gravity (the forces acting on bodies) to motion. Most modern non-relativistic gravitational calculations are based on Newton's work.

Live long and prosper.