see you all later, nice meeting you

Azure · Post by **Azure** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:04 pm

I still don't buy this BS. There's no relation between distinguishing aircraft from one another and studying for your commercial exam. There's also no relation between passion for aviation and knowing the difference between heavy jets, because there are many avenues in aviation and commercial jets is only one.

Think about that statement....when ATC tells you to taxi behind AC's A340 and you follow a 767....who'll look stupid then? Better stay in the bush if you can't be bothered to learn the differerence.

Haze: No, and your way more than I can handle anyway.

767 · Post by **767** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:11 pm

Azure wrote:
Think about that statement....when ATC tells you to taxi behind AC's A340 and you follow a 767....who'll look stupid then? Better stay in the bush if you can't be bothered to learn the differerence.

lol. Well i remember one time i was taxing to rwy 26, and a pilatus pc-12/45 was taking off on rwy33. both 33 and 26 intersect. I forgot the reg of the pilatus, and at that time i did not know what the model was.. anyways, i transmitted the follwoing on radio:

" ** traffic, cessnnXXXX is taxing for t/o on 26, will hold and will depart after the aircraft on 33 departs "

ever · Post by **ever** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:21 pm

Redline wrote: Remember, geeks and nerds are what make the world turn.

geeks and nerds do a lot of spinning in circles, but they dont make the world turn.

Red Line · Post by **Red Line** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:30 pm

ever,

do you know how i know you're gay?

Red Line · Post by **Red Line** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:33 pm

Azure wrote:Think about that statement....when ATC tells you to taxi behind AC's A340 and you follow a 767....who'll look stupid then? Better stay in the bush if you can't be bothered to learn the differerence.

She raises a good point!

shimmydampner · Post by **shimmydampner** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:19 pm

Azure wrote:
I still don't buy this BS. There's no relation between distinguishing aircraft from one another and studying for your commercial exam. There's also no relation between passion for aviation and knowing the difference between heavy jets, because there are many avenues in aviation and commercial jets is only one.
Think about that statement....when ATC tells you to taxi behind AC's A340 and you follow a 767....who'll look stupid then? Better stay in the bush if you can't be bothered to learn the differerence.

Thanks, I plan on it. But when I did the IFR thing, taxiing around Pearson, Winnipeg, Ottawa, etc. was never a problem.

shimmydampner · Post by **shimmydampner** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:39 pm

klm691heavy wrote:Well i remember one time i was taxing to rwy 26, and a pilatus pc-12/45 was taking off on rwy33. both 33 and 26 intersect. I forgot the reg of the pilatus, and at that time i did not know what the model was.. anyways, i transmitted the follwoing on radio:

" ** traffic, cessnnXXXX is taxing for t/o on 26, will hold and will depart after the aircraft on 33 departs "

Crazy story. But you wouldn't be able to depart without a clearance anyways, which you wouldn't get until there was no conflict with the Pilatus.
Look, obviously you're really into commercial aviation which may be great for you, but not everyone shares your fanatacism. Flying heavy tin might be the ultimate goal for you, but it isn't for everyone. Just because someone doesn't aspire to pushing the autopilot buttons of an Airbus doesn't mean they are not committed to being excellent pilots.
Like I said before, get some hands and feet before you go worrying about not being able to identify the aircraft in front of you on taxiway Charlie.

767 · Post by **767** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:48 pm

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Pete · Post by **Pete** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 9:13 pm

i agree. But, the program i am in is preparing the students for nothing but only the big metal birds..

Maybe I got that wrong but does that say his school prepares him for only the airliners?

Dude didnt you say you were at brampton flight college in a past post? Are you kidding me? If your in brampton, and really did mean that...sheesh I dont know what to say...your incredible.

if you are there, let me tell you, brampton flight college isnt special pal. its another joe blow school with,

i agree. But, the program i am in is preparing the students for nothing but only the big metal birds..

....some amazing way to brainwash.

if I did mis-read that, I do appologize in advance.

fogghorn · Post by **fogghorn** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 9:13 pm

klm691heavy wrote:how many people have you met that are in training, and are slacking with their ground school.. ie: exams / assigmments etc. their was this one guy one time who was in his commercial ground school, and couldnt tell the difference between an airbus a380 and a 747-400... as a matter of fact, he never ever heard of the a380 until i mentioned about it. im just wondering how many people have you met that just want to fly but dont touch their books?? the reason i ask is becuase, all of these peopel are spending their money but arent accomplishing their goal. this one guy has still to do his private written test, and hes done like 16 practice tests...

Nice grammar, spelling etc., including the thread title

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 9:19 pm

I've seen plenty of students who don't put in the effort they should. It is annoying, especially when you realise that they'll problably get hired somewhere regardless of how poor their knowledge is. There are shitty pilots all over the place. There are also shitty schools. Some times the shittyness comes from being inflexible. Like I said before, not everyone learns the same way. The best instructors are the ones who adapt to the student's needs, and don't just teach out of the handbook. If student's don't understand one way, explain it another. Use diagrams, that doesn't work? Use math, tv/video, demo, analogy, whatever is necessary to get the point across. If the student is putting in the effort and still not getting it, then the fault is probably with the instruction. If they're not putting in the effort, they're a turkey and should be regarded as such.

I'm not saying the guy you met isn't a turkey, but you should atleast consider his point of view before calling him such. If you evaluate the situation and come the the conclusion he's as bright as a wet sack of concrete, flame on. Just make sure you consider all posibilities first.

(wow, a call for critical thinking from m_p, who knew?!)

co-joe · Post by **co-joe** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 10:06 pm

I can tell the difference between an A319 and an A320...does that make me a nerd?

Azure · Post by **Azure** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 11:02 pm

can tell the difference between an A319 and an A320...does that make me a nerd?

No, just a handy person to have around during an airshow.

And I would trust you to fly me anywhere!

pilot to dispatch · Post by **pilot to dispatch** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 11:31 pm

ever wrote:Redline wrote: Remember, geeks and nerds are what make the world turn.

geeks and nerds do a lot of spinning in circles, but they dont make the world turn.

He raises a good point

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:29 am

klm691heavy wrote: the program i am in is preparing the students for nothing but only the big metal birds

Bullshit. Do you graduate with a type rating and atp? I'll bet you get a nice CPL and maybe a multi/ifr. That in no way means you have to go airline. What are you going to do in between walking out the flight school door, and getting hired on with an airline. Even if you are going to a foreign airline right away, you could very well choose to fly floats or instruct with that licence. No one is trained in Canada strictly for airline flying.

To answer your earlier post, I don't disagree that there are people out there who don't put in the effort required. But you must also understand that some flight schools and instructors don't put in what's required to teach. Everyone learns differently, most people can adapt to the handbook-based, canned lesson plan method that most places and instructors use. There are, however, some who can't. Is it their fault that they can't learn, or the school's for not meeting thier needs as a student? The really good instructors are the ones who can adapt to thier student's needs. The guy you met might be a dick who didn't work hard enough, but then again, maybe no one worked hard for him. I'm not saying it's one way or the other, but atleast consider the possibility. There is a slight chance that your school isn't as good as they claim to be, in fact, few are. Every FTU rants on about how their the best, not many measure up to thier own hype in my experience.

767 · Post by **767** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 1:00 pm

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chipmunk · Post by **chipmunk** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 1:14 pm

klm691heavy wrote:when you ask the guy i critisized about what he wants to do after the program, his answer is: I dont know what im going to do... Everyone else in the program wants to fly the big birds. I know their are plenty other options other than airline, but everyone should have their plan set before attempting to spend 40-50 g's, and realizing after that nothing worked out.

I've been working as a pilot for 5 years and I still don't know what my ultimate goal is in the industry. Does that mean I'm a slacker?

What I am saying is - you can't PLAN exactly how your life is going to be in this industry. It's fine to have a goal in mind, but sorry, KLM, in this country there's going to have to be a lot of non-airline flying done by you before you even get the minimums required to apply for an airline! And you can't even plan for those non-airline jobs. The industry's way better now than it was when I started out, but you still have to go to where the jobs are and not be too picky or else you'll only be building hours pumping gas...

I know in the college environment with a bunch of other pilot wannabes it's easy to get carried away, but - reality check!!!!

Brewguy · Post by **Brewguy** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 1:51 pm

hmm, interesting.

So, klm691heavy .... you are currently in training to get your commercial, which means you don't yet have that licence. And you are coming on this forum, whoes members include (but are not limited to) commercial, airline & military pilots - people who are currently working in aviation - and you (again, as an untrained person) are passing judgement on others, based on your beliefs of 'how things are' in the indusrty?
Is that right?

Wow, that's pretty arrogant!

mbflyer · Post by **mbflyer** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 1:55 pm

I was going to comment, but neilblythin said it perfectly, so I won't.

niss · Post by **niss** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 5:24 pm

if a pilot doesnt know what a 380 is, and people who arent pilots know about it, i see something wrong there. if he cant identify 737, 747, thats a differnt story. but they televised the A380 billions of times all over the world.....

You could be a professional pilot for a decade and never share airspace with either one of those a/c. Whats the big deal? Lots of people who arent pilots know what an A380 is, for example: People who say the news, people who watch the news, people who read the news, people who work for Airbus, people who know someone who works for airbus, ATC, AMEs working on Airbus, Welders, electricians, hydraulic experts, machinests, engineers, labourers all working for airbus, the guy who sweeps the floor of the factory that built the airbus, the wife of the A380 test pilots, the guy who loads the bagage at an airport that the A380 has landed at, any and inuit who were at the Iqualiait airport when the A380 did its cold weather testing. Need I go on?

Alot of people who arent pilots may know what an A380 is and a lot of pilots might just not give a shit.

looproll · Post by **looproll** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:57 pm

klm, why are you being a pussy and deleting all your posts? Too bad one can't do that in an in-person conversation, hey? I said something controversial, so I'll retract it. Are you going into politics by chance?

Brewguy · Post by **Brewguy** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:14 am

Was it something I said?

Well, it was nice to 'meet' you too klm691heavy. Maybe one last, little piece of career advice before you go heading off to the airlines:
Maybe thicken up that skin a little bit, before this industry completely burns you.

Best of luck!

Kilo-Kilo · Post by **Kilo-Kilo** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:22 am

When you got your driver's license did you know the difference between a Fiat and a Festiva? Or how about a Jenson Interceptor and an Avanti?

looproll · Post by **looproll** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:54 am

Jensen Interceptor!

I want this one:

Kilo-Kilo · Post by **Kilo-Kilo** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 12:32 pm

I believe that is a Jensen Healy. The interceptor was mostly produced in the 70's.

Here's a nice convertible, the other models had a clam shell rear window like the Avanti.

Yes, I'm a car nerd.

see you all later, nice meeting you

Re: aspiring pilots but who dont open the books