Cat Driver and Doc Why are you so disgruntled?

snaproll20 · Post by **snaproll20** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:46 pm

Takes all kinds to make this world
Praises sung, and shit gets hurled
But characters that I met each day
Changed me in some slight, small way.
Nice ones, bad ones, egos, glory.
The boasters, idiots, the drunks so hoary.
Y' know, one thing remains so true?
The only perfect one is YOU!

Lommer · Post by **Lommer** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:01 pm

Great stuff Cat. And like they say, don't let the bastards grind you down. I and many others appreciate everything you and Doc contribute. It doesn't matter how you coat it, it's still worth digging through to find the mountain of useful advice you give so freely.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:15 pm

Lommer:

It comes with a price no one here would be aware of.

My wife is very much against my posting on Avcanada.

She gets extreemly upset with the enevitable reaming I get from many here.

Just today she said why do you do this, how can you take such demeaning comments from so many people on that damn forum, you have done enough for aviation please quit trying to reason with people who have such dislike for what you are.

I'm thinking about it.

ch135146 · Post by **ch135146** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:05 pm

xsbank wrote: If you actually have any reading comprehension, you would discern...

Approaching 50, I'd like to think that my reading comprehension is fairly well developed. And, I was educated that "tone" is an important part of communication, even in writing.

If somebody's tone is usually negative, he's going to lose some or all of his readers (or listeners.) Like the guy who's always complaining about whatever in the lunch room. People tune out. Sometimes, even if the core message has value.

The stuff Cat has written above is really good. Love it. Thanks.

ch135146 · Post by **ch135146** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:48 pm

Cat Driver wrote:She gets extreemly upset with the enevitable reaming I get from many here.

Just today she said why do you do this, how can you take such demeaning comments from so many people on that damn forum, you have done enough for aviation please quit trying to reason with people who have such dislike for what you are.

I'm thinking about it.

Well, that's like the pot calling the kettle black! Cat, you can't go very long without dispensing a few reamings yourself. What do you have, immunity?

As for "what you have done for aviation," there are probably hundreds, if not thousands, of individuals in Canada who have contributed just as much, or more. Luckily, most of them don't have to trumpet their accomplishments constantly to anybody who'll listen or read their internet postings.

I do enjoy reading your stick and rudder stuff, but your belly aching is tiresome. Trying to one-up the experiences of others is wearing too.

Wasn't it last year that you had your feelings hurt (for similar reasons) and left AVCANADA pouting, only to return?

Please try to get over yourself.

Here's a new moto for you:

I'm not the greatest; I'm the double greatest.

Oh, sorry, Mohammed Ali already used that one.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:58 pm

ch135146:

Great post nice to see you so critical and full of advice.

There is one big difference between us though.

Right, wrong or in between I at least do not hide behind a made up name.

wingtip · Post by **wingtip** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:31 pm

ch135146 wrote:
Cat Driver wrote:She gets extreemly upset with the enevitable reaming I get from many here.

Just today she said why do you do this, how can you take such demeaning comments from so many people on that damn forum, you have done enough for aviation please quit trying to reason with people who have such dislike for what you are.

I'm thinking about it.
Well, that's like the pot calling the kettle black! Cat, you can't go very long without dispensing a few reamings yourself. What do you have, immunity?

As for "what you have done for aviation," there are probably hundreds, if not thousands, of individuals in Canada who have contributed just as much, or more. Luckily, most of them don't have to trumpet their accomplishments constantly to anybody who'll listen or read their internet postings.

I do enjoy reading your stick and rudder stuff, but your belly aching is tiresome. Trying to one-up the experiences of others is wearing too.

Wasn't it last year that you had your feelings hurt (for similar reasons) and left AVCANADA pouting, only to return?

Please try to get over yourself.

Here's a new moto for you:

I'm not the greatest; I'm the double greatest.
Oh, sorry, Mohammed Ali already used that one.

Childish comment ch, so I'll give you one of mine in return. YOU SUCK!

We used to call this hangar flying and some peoples stories were more grandios than others but that was half the fun. Keep on posting Cat. Your comments on TC are finding ears.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:01 pm

Man, I can't follow stories like Cat's. I mean, the guy is so old! He's been everywhere. There is a song written about him somewhere, and, no doubt many little "Cats" running around bare foot, all over the world! I never got to fly with Cat. He left Austin Airways about the time I got there. The PBY was on the way out. Austin had opted for the much more modern and swift, racy, much better looking DC3! Same engines as the PBY, but way more refined! You could (and they did) put the bloody thing on skis!
Before going to Austin's, I had spent a couple of winters bombing around NW Ontario, flying for O.J. Weiben. Old OJ used to be a Hawker "Hurrybox" test driver with Can-Car in YQT before starting up Superior Airways. And for a year or so, I was OJ's "pet project"....Oh joy, two winters flying out of Wiebenville on skis. Learned a Hell of a lot there. Nearly died 30 or 40 times! Learned to really READ a map. Left CFXXT in Wantawoman lake. The airplane was a junker anyway! Did all the spots we do today. Before they had strips. The fuel oil has to go....as do the pop and chips...even back then. Nothing's changed! I guess Superior was my first "real" job. Looking back, it probably wasn't a whole hell of a lot of fun. I actually had to work...Gawd, I hate that!
Austin? Another time. Let's just say....you guys really do have it a lot easier. I can say that, not because it was harder in my "mind", but because I'm still doing it today...and it is SO much easier!
So, not only can Cat and I land a big tail dragger on a rainy night in a cross wind in Red Sucker Lake, we can also program an FMS, operate turbine aircraft with GPS. Cat's been places I've only been in Wilbur Smith novels. They're the stuff of dreams.
We may sometimes sound cranky, I guess. But, a whole lot of that is brought on by pilots making the mistakes pilots have always made. And it frustrates the crap out of us when you sometimes refuse to listen to what we seem to think is reason. We see young low time guys rolling airplanes up in balls, it seems every other week! When I "beak off" about some "stupid" thing some pilot has done, it's because I've done it, or something just like it. I got away with a lot of shit...I'm pretty sure Cat has as well. But, it doesn't make it smart....so, sometimes, just listen to us(and guys like Clunk, xsbank and trey kewl etc)we are really trying to make your lives easier...and in a few cases, longer.
End of Epistle.

Adam Oke · Post by **Adam Oke** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:22 pm

I havn't read too much of Doc's stuff, but I find most of what Cat has to say is merely just a different perspective that most don'y carry. Some people get offended from it, and some people read between the lines. The people who get offended most of the time I see to be very opinionated and one sided. The people who read between the lines show great definition

Cat holds a very informative perspective. I'm happy to read all the posts from the "Cat's of the world". You take away alot of good stuff from 'em.

... Or you can hold it against them for thinkin outside of the box...

Keep posting.

mcrit · Post by **mcrit** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:22 am

I have to go with ch135146 on this one. I'm sure Cat has forgotten more about flying than some people will ever know, and on straight up technical questions I have no trouble bowing to his opinion. That said, there are dozens of other people I know who are just as knowledgable and experienced. The difference between them and Doc/Cat is deportment. I am lucky enough to belong to an organization that has alot of grey heads. When we do our Thursday get togethers to fly and work on the planes we have guys there who learned on Tigermoths and finished in the left seat of a 747. Some of them flew Sabres over Europe, others flew Beech 18s into Armpit NWT, they all are very free with advice and opinions, but not once have I seen them direct a demeaning comment at anyone. They don't need the words 'moron', 'ass hole' etc to make their point. They have never come in and said anything like 'Todays instructors are all tools', or 'Sennca/Sault/Confed grads are really cruddy', or 'I'm gonna shove X down Y's throat' Even in the hottest of debates, or when giving the sternest of corrections they stayed civil (which is yet another of their abilities I'm trying to learn for myself

). That is the key difference between our 'disgruntled' members and the experienced guys. I could offer some opinions as to why they are the way they are, but I don't think it would be helpful.
Having said all that, I really liked the Africa story Cat.

gr8gazu · Post by **gr8gazu** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 6:10 am

Mcrit, What you are doing though is comparing personalities without the restraints of common employment against those that have those restraints. I am sure your online "deportment" is quite different than your employment "deportment" as well. If not, hell, even I would kick your ass!

Having read most threads for the past few years, I can certainly say that you have had plenty of trouble bowing to Cat Drivers opinions and advice.

Your post here is just a punch while someone else holds his hands.

Just an opinion but based on observation. Your comment of Africa is just for appearance. You think it makes you look better to your online peers or satisfies your own sense of fair play right?

Daart · Post by **Daart** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 10:41 am

This month marks my 20th year as a pilot. Not boasting just trying to explain that I've been around for a while. I personally look forward to the views expressed by Cat and Doc, and having not personally met them, I nonetheless hold their opinions in high regard. Cat reminds me of some of my first captains, I can still see them shaking their heads at the many new ways I could find to screw up. When they spoke though, their words were meant to teach, and many of their words I now try to pass along. So maybe we shouldn't be so quick to condemn, instead just open our ears, or eyes, and try to learn a little from what is being said.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:33 pm

I have to go with ch135146 on this one. I'm sure Cat has forgotten more about flying than some people will ever know, and on straight up technical questions I have no trouble bowing to his opinion. That said, there are dozens of other people I know who are just as knowledgable and experienced. The difference between them and Doc/Cat is deportment. I am lucky enough to belong to an organization that has alot of grey heads. When we do our Thursday get togethers to fly and work on the planes we have guys there who learned on Tigermoths and finished in the left seat of a 747. Some of them flew Sabres over Europe, others flew Beech 18s into Armpit NWT, they all are very free with advice and opinions, but not once have I seen them direct a demeaning comment at anyone. They don't need the words 'moron', 'ass hole' etc to make their point

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Wow, mcrit I'm suprised that having never met me you would put me so low down in the structure of demeanor based only on reading the internet.

Now it is possible that I am not as refined and polished as the group you are using as a comparison here. The truth is we are all molded by our enviorements and mine may have been varied enough to make me seem unpolished and even coarse in my communication wording at times.

It is possible that I have become jaded with being PC and coating everything in sugar so as not to offend anyone, regardless of their approach so I guess in your group I'm maybe just a uncouth uneducated red neck in comparison to my peers in aviation.

They have never come in and said anything like 'Todays instructors are all tools',

or

That is really strange, I do not recall ever saying that " all " instructors are tools.....in fact those who I feel are not up to an acceptable standard I would never use the word " Tool " its to PC for me.

'Sennca/Sault/Confed grads are really cruddy'

,

Once again a gross overstatement of fact, as I recall my coments have been directed toward some of the training practices that I read they use....like flying a relatively complex airplane like a Baron around the circuit with the gear down during multi engine training and the 5 knot X/wind restriction, those things I'm not particularly impressed with...but that is just me.

Have you never read all the times I have said that instructing is the higest calling in aviation that a pilot can aspire to?

or 'I'm gonna shove X down Y's throat'

Ahhhh, I do believe you would be refering to comments I made about the moron TC flight training inspector we have out here on the west coast...I use the word moron because I do not feel it is as accurate a description as the PC " IQ challenged "
and I did not say I would shove it down his throat I said I would ram it up his ass, so he would need an anal scanner to read it.......I just like talking trash talk like that, makes me feel less PC.

Now back to reality, it is morons like him in charge of flight training that bring my opinion of some of the training industry to a level of frustration.

Even in the hottest of debates, or when giving the sternest of corrections they stayed civil (which is yet another of their abilities I'm trying to learn for myself ). That is the key difference between our 'disgruntled' members and the experienced guys. I could offer some opinions as to why they are the way they are, but I don't think it would be helpful.

I can relate to all that mcrit, so why don't these guys who have such a passion for helping the younger generation achieve sucess in flying come on Avcanada to bring a balance between crude red necks with no social graces like me and give the kids a better role model?

Having said all that, I really liked the Africa story Cat.

Naw, I belive you are being disingenious here mcrit, because you seldom miss an oportunity to trash me.

But just in case you truly do enjoy my stories here is another one in another part of the world.

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The Highs and Lows of International Flying - By . .

I would like to share some of the experiences that I have had in my job as an international contract pilot with all the members of the Nanaimo Flying club. I am sure you will enjoy reading about the difficulties we have in the day to day flight planning and flying of these trips all over the world. Sometimes when dealing with the paperwork and paying all the outrageous charges we encounter I swear to god I will never do it again, then several months later I have forgotten that part and remember only the many sights, places and the people we have met on these trips.

I would like to offer some short stories for the N.F.C. monthly newsletter about the many flights I do in my job as a training and ferry pilot. Then maybe after reading these stories you will better understand my abhorrence of bureaucrat's and their mindless enforcement of rules. Then the next time you find me sitting around sounding like a nut case you will understand what drove me to this sad state of mind. The only difference here in Canada is that they do not intimidate you with guns. (Yet) In the last three years I have been to thirty-seven different countries in Europe, Africa. Asia and South America. It is interesting that of all these flights, outside of my regular Transport Canada Instrument flight check rides I have not filed one flight plan in North America for three years.

I will start with my last flight and work backwards for three years. On April 23/99 I received a call to ferry a French owned P.B.Y. Catalina from Sao Paulo Brazil to Oshawa Ont. For those of you not familiar with this type of airplane it is a twin engine heavy flyingboat. Some of its stats are as follows. Wingspan 104 feet All up weight 30500 lbs. Fuel capacity10500 lbs. Oil capacity 990 lbs. Will fly 20 plus hour's non-stop with full fuel I was to stop in Oshawa to pick up the journey log and a new battery for the airplane.

There were as usual delays and I did not depart Oshawa until Apr.27. I left Toronto at 10.00 p.m. and eleven hours later arrived Sao Paulo at 11.00 a.m. local time. After clearing customs and immigration with this big battery as part of my baggage I was met by a taxi driver holding a card with my name on it. He drove me into the city to the hotel that we stay at when in Sao Paulo, this was my fourth trip to Sao Paulo, and by then the desk staff knew me by name.

After a quick shower and change of clothes I went to Congonhas airport where the two engineers from England were checking the airplane for the ferry trip. These two engineers Clive and Mark Edwards have been part of our crew since 1996 starting in Africa where we did filming for the French Television company T.F.1 all over Africa.

The plan was to leave Sao Paulo the next day. On the following day after much wasted time with hydraulic problems we finally called for taxi clearance, I was advised that we had missed our slot and to call back in twenty minutes. When we next requested clearance we were advised the flight plan had been cancelled and we were to re. file. I had to file a V.F.R. flightplan as my Co-pilot pilot was the owner Franklin Devaux. He did not have an instrument rating, my regular Co-pilot pilot was not with us and this left me with the problem of how to depart an airport that was restricted to I.F.R. only.

We were expected to be at a military airbase north of Sao Paulo at 1P.M.for a publicity show connected with the Aeropostale Mail trip to S. America and there was a TV crew waiting. We had one of the military people with us so I had him contact air traffic control and he somehow got us a new clearance to depart Congonhas V.F.R. with an I.F.R. routing. The departure from this airport is quite interesting in that the airport is right in the center of the city and there are miles and miles of tall buildings in every direction. There are seventeen million people in the greater Sao Paulo area and this was the first time we actually got to see it as the four other times we departed Sao Paulo the weather was either I.M.C. or overcast so we didn't see much of the city and surrounding area. There was great difficulty in following the routing they requested as we were V.F.R. and I couldn't understand the place names the controllers wanted us to go to. I had the owner fly headings while I desperately searched the database in the GPS trying to find places that sounded like the names we were given.

Finally we were handed over to the military radar controller who spoke good English. This was the first attempt at flying V.F.R in South America and unlike the I.F.R. controllers these people were very difficult to understand, as they would seldom have to speak English with V.F.R. traffic.

The approach to Campo Fontenell was almost straight in to the right hand of two parallel runways. The airport is the main training center for the Brazilian Airforce and after the TV crews were finished we were given a tour of the base then a trip to town for dinner and free rooms for the night in the pilot barracks. The following morning we departed for Brazilia a short trip of three hundred and seventy nautical miles. The country is quite similar to Montana as it is in the highlands of central Brazil, Brasilia its self is thirty five hundred feet above sea level.

About an hour out of Brasilia the right engine started running rough it turned out to be on the left mag position. That was the first time the airplane had given us any problems in three years of flying. After landing we changed the plugs front to back to determine if it was plugs or the mag. There went our plans to spend the day touring Brasilia as by the time we finished working on the engine it was dark so we did not get to tour the city. Brasilia is the typical example of government stupidity. It was built in the middle of nowhere and is the most modern city in the world as it is only thirty-seven years old. The downside is there is nothing but government to support the city.

Sounds like B.C. and the idiots we have in government here. Day three started out good the weather was clear and we planned to fly the seven hundred and eighty nautical miles to Belem at the mouth of the Amazon River. That soon went to hell because while we were flightplanning I was asked to produce all the aircraft documents plus all our licenses. That was at seven A.M. After about thirty minutes I was told to go with two Federal police and was driven several miles to their station where I spent the next three hours trying to explain why I was flying in Brazil with an expired overflight permit. This was not the first time I have been detained by the police in these countries so after refusing to say anything until I had a good interpreter I played their game. I eventually convinced them that it was partially the fault of my company as they had the permit for four months in Oshawa.

Finally I signed a document admitting to being in contravention of Brazilian law. This resulted in a two thousand U.S. dollar fine and they issued me a new permit to exit Brazil by way of Belem in the next ten days. We now were into the worst part of the day for thunderstorms and sure enough were forced to land in a small town named Imperatriz on one of the thousands of rivers in the Amazon jungle. It was really a great experience to stay in a small town that far from civilization, not only was there not a decent hotel we couldn't even order food, as we of course could not find anyone who understood English or French. When our food did arrive, it was plain boiled spaghetti and bread and butter. Franklin the owner of the airplane was worried about malaria, as this is a really bad area for malaria.

The Edwards brothers and me have spent a lot of time in Africa so do not worry to much about tropical diseases, you either get it or you don't so why worry. The next morning was overcast at about five hundred feet so we took off and flew to Belem just above the jungle for about three hundred miles; it was one of the most fascinating flights I have ever done. The Amazon basin is so vast and diverse it is incredible, especially the flocks of bright coloured parrots we saw while flying at low level over the dense jungle. The shape and size of some of the trees is incredible no wonder it is so written about in books. We landed Belem and thanks to the help of the Brazilian airforce cleared customs paid our fees and managed to depart for Cayenne French Guyana just ahead of a major line of thunderstorms.

The flight to Cayenne was four and a half hours and was uneventful except for having to fly around several areas of thunderstorms, which is normal for that part of the world. We landed just before dark and spent the night in a very first class French hotel.

The following morning we went through the usual paperwork and payment routine and finally after four hours we were airborne for Fort De France Martinique via Paramaribo, Suriname. Georgetown, Guyana. Tobago, and Martinique. After departure we were given permission to circle Devils Island the French penal colony of Pappion fame in the book and movie.

After our tour of Devils Island were allowed to fly past the Aerian rocket center where France launches their satellite rockets it is very impressive, then we settled in for seven hours of boredom to Martinique or at least until we came to the island chain starting the windward group. On arrival Martinique we spent the night in another first class French hotel.

The following morning it was another three hours of paperwork fees and delays, finally at noon we were off for Grand Turk Island seven and a half hours away. The windward and leeward islands are really beautiful when viewed from the blisters of a P.B.Y. There is not a better airplane in the world to sightsee from than the P.B.Y. and as we fly with a crew of four we all get plenty of time for sightseeing. Before departure from Martinique we were given a notam that the volcano on Minstar was erupting and posed a danger to aircraft, as we flew past it we were offered a very close view of the activity during a large eruption, very impressive.

As we were passing the island of St. Martin the right engine once again started to run rough. After much discussion the decision was made to land at San Juan, Puerto Rico where we would have access to the airline flights from the U.S.A. to get our parts for the engine. This required us to ask permission to divert to San Juan due to engine problems, finally we were able to talk to American controllers, it was wonderful after all the problems with Portuguese, French, Dutch and Spanish controllers. It is of course true that airtraffic control is English all over the world it is just that some of them are hard to understand especially the Portuguese.

When we landed, I of course as the Captain of the aircraft had the privilege of writing the report of why we landed in a Country we were not flightplanned to, then fill out all the forms for Customs and immigration. After this was finished I returned to immigration only to find that the Edwards brothers visa for the U.S. was expired.This of course required another hour of paperwork and the magic of several hundred dollars and we were free to go park the airplane in an area where we could fix it. At last well after dark we checked into a hotel. Many phone calls and much work later we had a new mag and new plugs installed in the engine and after two and a half days we were ready to continue.

The following morning severe weather on our intended route forced us to wait for an improvement. Franklin then decided he must leave for Paris as he had a very important meeting to attend. He decided to leave the airplane in San Juan and we would pick it up later. So Franklin left for Paris and Mark, Clive and I flew to Miami, They made a connection to London and I had to overnight Miami. The following morning I was on Air Canada for Vancouver via Toronto. So ended another international ferry flight. There are of course many more things that go into this type of flying such as the thousands of gallons of fuel that we pump into the tanks during the trip, we try to fuel up as soon as we land and clear customs and immigration no matter how long it takes as we know that the next morning will be spent going through the paper work, payment of fees and customs and immigration nightmare that one finds in every country on earth some worse than others. If all you people want me to take you from Paris to Santiago next month let John know. The routing was Paris via Spain, Morocco, Mauritania, Senegal, Fernando de Noronha, Brazil, Uruguay, Argentina and Chile. The trip was the Aeropostal mail route that France used fifty years ago. We flew it to celebrate one hundred years of aviation in France.

Then if you have not had enough I can take you on a tour of Africa flying for the French TV Company TF1 it was the most challenging and dangerous flying I have ever done with everything from Desert sand storms, to monstrous thunderstorms to filming in a war zone in the Sahara Desert and living with the Nomads for several weeks.

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chipmunk · Post by **chipmunk** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:48 pm

Cat you gotta put stuff like that in that Around the Campfire forum! I'm sure I'm not the only one who loves stories like those and it would be nice to read them without all the other, um, "conversations" around them...

wallypilot · Post by **wallypilot** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:57 pm

Cat Driver wrote:police in these countries so after refusing to say anything until I had a good interpreter I played their game. I eventually convinced them that it was partially the fault of my company as they had the permit for four months in Oshawa.

Finally I signed a document admitting to being in contravention of Brazilian law. This resulted in a two thousand U.S. dollar fine and they issued me a new permit to exit Brazil by way of Belem in the next ten days.

ah yes....the wonderful brazilian authorities...they wanted to fine us some ridiculous amount because we couldn't produce proof that we had "disinfected" the airplane before landing in Manaus. After that I learned just to carry an empty can of Prist to "prove" that the aircraft had indeed been sprayed inside before landing in Brazil. heh.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:08 pm

There is a lot more to the story than that....

....the exciting true part I could not include at the time due to political concerns between my employer, Embraer Aircraft, the Brazilian Feredale's and a few other issues....

..suffice to say there was a whole lot more to it and in the end I was given a ride back to the airplane in a Mercedes limo with all the peper work I needed to live in Brazil until the second coming ......all it took was one phone call I made to Embraer in Sao Jose Dos Campos.

The ol'e Cat is not a pussy to be fu.ked with by a couple of federale's trying to extort money out of him.....

...by the way I did not have to pay the two thousand dollars either.

Phlyer · Post by **Phlyer** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:31 pm

Cantankerous old farts or not, those are great stories!
Keep 'em coming.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:38 pm

I'm working on a travel guide book that rates whorehouses around the world. ( Lonely Pilot. )

Same rating as hotels one to five star.

Rudder Bug · Post by **Rudder Bug** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:55 pm

Hi .,

I'm certainly not the first one to tell you, but you should write a book.

Cheers,

Gilles

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:56 pm

Rudder Bug, I am, read previous post.

gr8gazu · Post by **gr8gazu** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 6:06 pm

Cat, write one your wife will read!

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 6:21 pm

My wife is a very sincere Christian and has taken on the task of saving me...

...these flaws in my character just give her incentive to work harder.

And if " Lonely Pilot " becomes even ten percent as sucessful as " Lonely Planet " I'm back in the money again..

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 6:26 pm

delete

mcrit · Post by **mcrit** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 11:34 am

That is really strange, I do not recall ever saying that " all " instructors are tools.....

It was in some of those posts that you made and then went back and deleted. I've a good memory.

You know, I've asked you this before, and your reply was....off topic....but I will ask again. What is your objective in posting about all these things you think are wrong? Do you just want to vent? Or do you want to educate and influence people? If venting is your objective, just carry on as you have been.

I was genuine in what I said about your story. Remember a few threads back when I suggested you try and be more like Duke? Well, those stories were pretty much pure Duke.

I'll admit that you iritate me sometimes and that I do take the odd dig at you, but its pretty clear that you enjoy a good scrap and aren't adverse to provoking one. Either way, I'm not the one that started this thread nor was I the first to respond. There is an old adage in teaching; when one person asks a question, at least 10 more were thinking it.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Sun Apr 01, 2007 12:20 pm

You know, I've asked you this before, and your reply was....off topic....but I will ask again. What is your objective in posting about all these things you think are wrong? Do you just want to vent? Or do you want to educate and influence people?

I try and educate people by pointing out there are sometimes better ways to do things, especially in the field of teaching.

I'm sure you recall my comments about producing yaw by rapid throttle movements?

That was an example that I felt was poor instructional techniques for the simple reason it instills the mistaken idea that engines can be abused.

You got all upset that I would question your instructional techniques and I wouldn't hire a throttle jockey, especially someone who teaches students to be throttle jockeys. .

Quote:
That is really strange, I do not recall ever saying that " all " instructors are tools.....

It was in some of those posts that you made and then went back and deleted. I've a good memory.

I find that very difficult to believe, for the simple reason I do not believe " äll " instructors are as you say "tools ".

My observations on instructors is that far to many do not have the experience nor the ability to be good teachers......but you and TC are of a different opinion.

And once again will you get off the Duke comparison because you don't have a clue about what you are saying.

Go back and read his stories...especially his opinion of me as a pilot and friend.

So the bottom line here is neither of us will win this argument, it will be up to those who read Avcanada to decide on what and who they wish to believe.