"... CARs says, you just need to be 18 to hold a CPL and you need a Class 1 to hold a CPL. How does it matter if you have either at the flight test or not, just as long as you have them at sign off and when you use the privledge..."
LT has a point here. After re-reading the applicable regulations, one could be convinced to agree with LT's suggestion that the flight test could be completed without holding the necessary credentials to maintain the CPL.
However, you're going to have a tough time getting anyone at TC to interpret this as we are now.
So I get a call from trasport yesterday....
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It clearly states in the Flight Test Standards, which is the document the flight test goes by, the following:
In order to be admitted to a flight test required for the issuance of a Commercial Pilot Licence — Aeroplane, the candidate shall present:
1) proof of meeting the medical standards for the Commercial Pilot Licence,
This is a crappy situation your in here, i know i'd hate to be in your shoes. what a waste of money, but lets look at the bigger picture, your aviation career. I'm guessing your after your CPL because you love to fly and want to make a living from it. Now do you think any air operator out there is going to want to put you in either seat of their million dollar aircraft, loaded with passengers(or baggage) if you can't even kkep track of your own medical currency? I doubt it. your supposed to be responsible for yourself, the aircraft, and anything on board. Time to step up to the plate and start being responsible for your actions. Sorry you had to take it in the chin, but learn form it and move on!
Wow look at all the responses. Perhaps I should begin my rebutle with some clarification.
First, I am totally taking responsibility for this screw up, but I think some of the 'wealth/shame' should be spread around a bit.
Second, I never had my initial cat 1 medical. When I asked my instructor before my ride some time ago, they said it was a good idea to have it but certainly didn't say nor give me the impression that it was a mandatory requirement for the flight test. Yes I should have investigated further but really how many of you nay sayers checked and confirmed everything your instructors told you during your training? Heck you would still be back there banging your head on the wall!!! Besides I had a few other things I was thinking about that day.
Sorry 3 Green this was not a lack of preperation in so far as it was misdirection and a mistake that should have but wasn't caught by the various apparatus that are designed for and PAID to meet TC's requirements!
I understood that as long as I had attained all of the necessary requirements ie dual, solo, x-c flight time, flight test, written test and medical all within the one year period I was meeting the requirements for the commercial licence obviously I was wrong. As is proven on this thread alone intrepreting the CARS is tricky at best...Heck if you look at the CARS it says that a cat 3 medical for someone under 40 is only valid for 2 yrs...AIP says 5yrs Go figure!!
Thanks for all the constructive input looks like I am going to take it on the chin and move on. As for Fatty maybe you should go back to smoking doobies in the van down by the river. Sorry chap I saw that SNL too. Perhaps one day you will learn that the key to a good joke is originality.
First, I am totally taking responsibility for this screw up, but I think some of the 'wealth/shame' should be spread around a bit.
Second, I never had my initial cat 1 medical. When I asked my instructor before my ride some time ago, they said it was a good idea to have it but certainly didn't say nor give me the impression that it was a mandatory requirement for the flight test. Yes I should have investigated further but really how many of you nay sayers checked and confirmed everything your instructors told you during your training? Heck you would still be back there banging your head on the wall!!! Besides I had a few other things I was thinking about that day.
Sorry 3 Green this was not a lack of preperation in so far as it was misdirection and a mistake that should have but wasn't caught by the various apparatus that are designed for and PAID to meet TC's requirements!
I understood that as long as I had attained all of the necessary requirements ie dual, solo, x-c flight time, flight test, written test and medical all within the one year period I was meeting the requirements for the commercial licence obviously I was wrong. As is proven on this thread alone intrepreting the CARS is tricky at best...Heck if you look at the CARS it says that a cat 3 medical for someone under 40 is only valid for 2 yrs...AIP says 5yrs Go figure!!
Thanks for all the constructive input looks like I am going to take it on the chin and move on. As for Fatty maybe you should go back to smoking doobies in the van down by the river. Sorry chap I saw that SNL too. Perhaps one day you will learn that the key to a good joke is originality.
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C-FART :
Welcome to aviation.
The bottom line is everyone except whoever checked your paper work at TC screwed up.
In this case you just learned you must always try and double check every little item if you want to fly for a living.
My advice is do what ever you have to to get the ball back in play and go on with your career.
Also you do not stand a chance in hell of making things better by trying to fight it, just do what ever you have to and forget it.
Save your stress level and energy for the important things. This item that was not adhered to is peanuts and has zero connection with safety or any other issue except paperwork.....you did pass a class one when you went back to your DR. didn't you?
Cat.
Welcome to aviation.
The bottom line is everyone except whoever checked your paper work at TC screwed up.
In this case you just learned you must always try and double check every little item if you want to fly for a living.
My advice is do what ever you have to to get the ball back in play and go on with your career.
Also you do not stand a chance in hell of making things better by trying to fight it, just do what ever you have to and forget it.
Save your stress level and energy for the important things. This item that was not adhered to is peanuts and has zero connection with safety or any other issue except paperwork.....you did pass a class one when you went back to your DR. didn't you?
Cat.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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NPA 1999-076 - Issuance and Validity Period of Medical Certificate
Status of Notice of Proposed Amendments (NPAs) as of June 2004
"1999-076 - In legal editing, being processed at the same time as Justice file number 10000-377"
Yes, the wheels of change moves SLOWWWWWWWWLY... AIC 10/00 notified everyone of the change in validity periods but they have not been changed in LRA 3.2. Heck, the regulatory change proposal was prestented and agreed to in June 1999 but it STILL hasn't made it out of the Justice Department review:C-FART wrote:...Heck if you look at the CARS it says that a cat 3 medical for someone under 40 is only valid for 2 yrs...AIP says 5yrs Go figure!!
NPA 1999-076 - Issuance and Validity Period of Medical Certificate
Status of Notice of Proposed Amendments (NPAs) as of June 2004
"1999-076 - In legal editing, being processed at the same time as Justice file number 10000-377"
Funny how I have held an FAA ATP for many years without a medical. Did the FAA check ride in an RJ simulator without a medical. TC should follow the FAA model a little more closely. There are so many instances where an FAA reg has been copied somewhat by TC in there copilation and creation of the illustrious CARS document. But the wizard who copied the FAA regs didn't read the fine print so to say. There is another area that is very similar aka (FUBAR'd) and that is regarding common type ratings and similar types. But that is a whole new thread. Best of luck and you might want to go to TC inspectors boss and make sure he gets his PP slapped for conducting the check ride on you without an appropriate medical. I know in the ACP world we get a good PP slap if we do a ride on someone and they don't have a medical. But as for the money I think you have no recourse there.
