Benazir Bhutto Assassinated

[Sheila]

Religion cannot be the reason, since she was Muslim. It definitely happened because evil cowards killed her and wouldn't protect her. And she knew they would murder her but she still went to Pakistan. She's actually courageous because she was a true religious person.

Swede shows an interesting point. Who the hell knows what is driving the Taliban or Al Queda, but we know it has to be money and military power.

Anyone know when suicide bombing became invented? Since the origins of Islam has it existed? I don't think it has. It must be a new technique they devised when making bombs. I don't think suicide bombing is part of a religion.

Observe the shit happening everywhere. Democracy NEVER wins. George Bush never won the election back then.

There are hundreds of dictators all over the world, alive and well. It is a TERRIBLE conspiracy alright.

Kenyans stlll waiting to find out who will be president
Last Updated: Saturday, December 29, 2007 | 11:22 PM ET
CBC News
Angry Kenyans turned to violence late Saturday after the election commission stopped releasing counts in the country's closest presidential race ever.

Commission chairman Samuel Kivuitu ended the count with opposition leader Raila Odinga about 38,000 votes ahead of President Mwai Kibaki. Only 30 of 210 constituencies remain to be counted.

Riot police run past burning barricades on Saturday during riots in the Kibera slum. Authorities applealed for patience as ballots were counted.
Earlier Saturday, Kivuitu said he did not know why some areas had still not reported results, two days after the vote was held. He said he had been having trouble getting in touch with returning officers in some constituencies.

Officials said they would not be announcing any more results until Sunday.

"It's unprecedented that it's taking this long [to get final results]," Steve Bloomfield of Britain's Independent newspaper told CBC Newsworld. "In the last elections in 2002, results were known by early afternoon the day after the election."

After waiting since Thursday's vote for results in what observers had said was a race too close to call, angry Kenyans reacted by torching houses and attacking political opponents.


Earlier in the day, tensions erupted into violence as supporters of both candidates predicted victory.

Looting and threats
Supporters of Odinga's Orange Democratic Movement started fires and looted shops Saturday in slums on the outskirts of the capital, Nairobi.

Many of the demonstrators carried machetes and, according to witnesses and journalists, threatened people based on their ethnicity. As riots erupted, police fired tear gas in a bid to quell fighting between Odinga's Luo and Kibaki's Kikuyu tribes.

Police blocked off roads to downtown Nairobi, leaving many streets empty.

In the Kibera slum, Odinga's main constituency, protesters ripped up posters of Kibaki and accused the government of attempting to rig the vote to bring Kibaki back to power.

Kivuitu said he would look into allegations of electoral irregularities made by both sides. However, the head of the European Union observer mission, Alexander Graf Lambsdorff, said there has been no evidence of vote tampering.

Kibaki, 76, was elected in 2002 after the Kenya African National Union ruled for 39 years. He pledged to reduce corruption, and is credited with improving the economy.

Odinga, 62, promised to help the poor.

There are 14 million registered voters in the country, who also voted for 210 members of parliament and local councillors.

[Nark]

Who the hell knows what is driving the Taliban or Al Queda, but we know it has to be money and military power.
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I don't think suicide bombing is part of a religion.

Since the Taliban or Al Qaeda don't have much money and their military fire power might impressive compared to a Saskatchewan farmer, I think your out to lunch.

Dying for your cause certainly isn't new. The Japanese did it during World War 2. Their belief in the Emperor was incredible. No more incredible than the Sunni and Shiite's believe that their sect is the true descendants of Hohammad.

No where in the Koran, Bible or whatever religious text does it encourage killing yourself to spread the word of the gospel. Suicide bombers are cowards who can't face a problem plain and simple.

[BoostedNihilist]

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[swede]

Regardless of who was responsible, and as an aside, she states in her final Frost interview that Bin Laden was murdered - one could take that to mean he is dead. Meanwhile the msm horseshit is still flowing about nasty ole obl threatening the zionists again. I cannot believe the level of total shite that continues from the msm - how thick do they think we are.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg

[grimey]

Regardless of who was responsible, and as an aside, she states in her final Frost interview that Bin Laden was murdered - one could take that to mean he is dead.

One could take that to mean she believed he as dead. With no physical evidence, it's no more convincing than anyone else's claim.

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It's a sad place in the world when a voice of freedom gets slain like an animal.

[2R]

I do hope that it does not affect the cricket as the Pakistanies have a good cricket team

[Phaedrus]

Sheila wrote:

Religion cannot be the reason, since she was Muslim.

Sadly, this is far from the truth. Ms. Bhutto was not anywhere near a strict enough Muslim to appease those hardliners within Pakistan's spectrum. Bhutto was in fact quite modern: educated in Europe, several high (and low) profile relationships over the years; but she did not represent the average person.

We like to think that modernity will prevail, over time, if we can just keep moderate rulers in charge to manage the transition. In actuality, the birth rate paints a far different demographic picture. The millions of youth emerging in muslim nations (not just Pakistan) are far more radicalized than the previous ones. And since we, as a society, are unwilling to engage the actual religious doctrines of Islam, we will always misread the political climate in situations like this, and ultimately will have little chance in affecting the course of this conflict's progression. Case in point:

again, Sheila:

Who the hell knows what is driving the Taliban or Al Queda, but we know it has to be money and military power.

This is not even close to the truth of the matter.

[swede]

There is no proof that Bin Laden is alive, a smattering of doctored, grainy tapes that could be anyone are not proof that the guy is around - I say he is dead and no one has proved otherwise for years. I also don't think that someone with the connections Bhutto had would state that obl was murdered without sufficient evidence.
From the following link, I also wonder why the bush administration did not pressure musharef to make sure Bhutto was properly protected? I think the answer is obvious.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... tto230.xml

[Rockie]

The extremists are taking over Islam. No one but Muslims can prevent it.

[grimey]

There is no proof that Bin Laden is alive, a smattering of doctored, grainy tapes that could be anyone are not proof that the guy is around - I say he is dead and no one has proved otherwise for years. I also don't think that someone with the connections Bhutto had would state that obl was murdered without sufficient evidence.

Nice that it hasn't been presented anywhere. And absence of evidence isn't proof of anything, though you still seem to be incapable of grasping that fact.

From the following link, I also wonder why the bush administration did not pressure musharef to make sure Bhutto was properly protected? I think the answer is obvious.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... tto230.xml

Indeed, US diplomats took the highly unusual step of providing her directly with confidential US intelligence about militant threats to her life.

Yes, they obviously wanted her dead, that's why they kept warning her she was at risk.

[swede]

There is no proof that Bin Laden is alive, a smattering of doctored, grainy tapes that could be anyone are not proof that the guy is around - I say he is dead and no one has proved otherwise for years. I also don't think that someone with the connections Bhutto had would state that obl was murdered without sufficient evidence.

Bhutto's statement that obl is dead is more than enough proof. OBL is dead - so youve been hoodwinked for the past 5 or 6 years , get over it.

[Dash-Ate]

[Dash-Ate]

swede do your christmas shopping here


http://conspiracyclothes.com

[grimey]

Bhutto's statement that obl is dead is more than enough proof. OBL is dead - so youve been hoodwinked for the past 5 or 6 years , get over it.

Ah, so someone's word is proof when it suits your pre-concieved notions of a conspiracy, but otherwise it isn't. Gotcha.

And how the hell would she know what Omar Sheikh was responsible for, anyway? She's been in exile for 8 years, it's not like Musharraf would have made sure to include her on intelligence briefings. It's far more likely that she just misspoke, and meant that Sheikh had murdered Daniel Pearl for Bin Laden.

[swede]

I don't necessarily hold that Bush pulled the trigger on Bhutto. Chaos (well anywhere but their own back yard cause they have the nice vote riggin machines) serves the neozioncons aspirations quite nicely. So it was certainly a nice turn of events for bushco, whether they were directly involved or not. I betcha ole tricky dick even cracked a smile while he watched the carnage unfold.

ps, nice link -8

[swede]

The destabilization of Pakistan:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... a&aid=7705