C-FMOM, RCMP spy plane?

[ch135146]

My spin on this is that we don't live in the same level of fear and skepticism as our american counterparts do. Some refer to this as freedom...

What is "this" which you refer to? "Some refer" to what exactly "as freedom"?

If you blindly trust that the fools who run the RCMP, SISIS, TC, etc., want to give us anymore freedom than their "american counterparts," then check again.

I'll grant you that the current US administration sucks BIG, but, generally, American citizens enjoy more freedoms under their Constitution than do we smug little Canadians under our laws.

Check this for a history of RCMP scandals (and these are only the big ones):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandals_s ... g_the_RCMP

[ch135146]

Getting back to the first post, maybe the RCMP should employ two pilots to operate that aircraft if one can't manage the frequencies/work load. It'ld be pretty stupid for them to fly straight into someone else for lack of being on the appropriate freq.

(Sorry for the topic creep I've been participating in.)

buck82 is bang-on.

However, they probably don't need a second pilot because a trained observer would do. The pilot would then handle all ATC, and share the load with the other person for mission-specific comms.

[Axial Flow]

If you blindly trust that the fools who run the RCMP, SISIS, TC,

CSIS just like it sounds I guess...

[Wilbur]

The RCMP also have/had a turbine 210. These light airplanes are normally used to conduct survellence against organized crime groups. They use them to track people and vehicles they've tagged with a transmitter, eavesdrop on wireless communications, visually observe and photograph what people are doing, help guide ground based survellance teams into positions, and to provide counter survellence.

[cessnafloatflyer]

The RCMP also have/had a turbine 210
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I don't get it, why would the RCMP use a 160kt+ aircraft to:

These light airplanes are normally used to conduct survellence against organized crime groups. They use them to track people and vehicles they've tagged with a transmitter, eavesdrop on wireless communications, visually observe and photograph what people are doing, help guide ground based survellance teams into positions, and to provide counter survellence.

Seems awfully quick. The 210 and esp. the turbine 210 conversion which is pressurized is a high level x-country cruiser, not a hang over the city an look typ machine.

I beleive they have one but it would be the wrong machine to be doing this; i think.

[Pratt]

I am all for anti-terrorism but I think we are entering a little more into a police state every day without the public knowing. One only needs to look at Ontarios new street racing laws to see this, A warning flag should go up with anyone who knows the details in regards to complete lack of recourse and the absolute power of officers
Regards

To see what??? If that is what a police state is then bring it on.............That going more than 50 kms over the speed limit is not a threat to everyone else on the road or sidewalk? In BC it has been 40 kms over for the last number of years will get you the same treatment. I think it is a good idea, it doesn't stop it but it slows it down. And those stupid enough to be going those speeds deserve what they get.

Might not be as prevelant in Ont with all of the 400 series highways but in BC or the Vancouver area specifically the big thing is or was, is that they were doing their street racing on the streets, not highways. A number of people were mowed down from assholes losing control of their souped up cars on roads with 50 or 60 kms speed limits, doing well in excess of even the 40 over limit now imposed.

If the cops weren't given those powers the same idiot could and probably would be back on the street the next day doing the same thing again.

I hope you don't agree with that.

[Ogee]

I'd venture to say that organized crime, and even mildly disorganized crime, has figured out workarounds for this type of stuff long ago. It's mostly boys and their toys, paid for by the taxpayer. At least it keeps them from tazering people to death or shooting them in the back of the head.

[TheCheez]

I think its amusing that in this thread people are getting antsy about the cops using an aircraft with technology to fight crime because that makes it a police state and over in the Misc forum people are saying its a good thing for cops to act without a warrant and just go bust some heads.

Hmm, why don't you all get into one thread and have a good ol internet slap fight.

[WS739]

I love the people who come on here and bag the police. What do you think they are doing? Building time? You people make me sick. Get a life or a hobby and let them do their jobs.

What is "this" which you refer to? "Some refer" to what exactly "as freedom"?

If you blindly trust that the fools who run the RCMP, SISIS, TC, etc., want to give us anymore freedom than their "american counterparts," then check again.

I'll grant you that the current US administration sucks BIG, but, generally, American citizens enjoy more freedoms under their Constitution than do we smug little Canadians under our laws.

Check this for a history of RCMP scandals (and these are only the big ones):

Quite possibly the most stupid thing i have ever read , if you dont know how to spell it, chances are you have no idea what CSIS does. You sound like a conspiracy nut!

[Expat]

It seems that I enjoy more freedoms here in Afghanistan, than you do at home. No wonder why I get reverse home sick when I go home in Canada.

[ch135146]

I love the people who come on here and bag the police. What do you think they are doing? Building time? You people make me sick. Get a life or a hobby and let them do their jobs...

... Quite possibly the most stupid thing i have ever read , if you dont know how to spell it, chances are you have no idea what CSIS does. You sound like a conspiracy nut!

Then you must not be very widely read.

I made a spelling mistake -- have you ever?

Far from a conspiracy nut, I'm a civil libertarian who leans slightly right. I believe in an emphasis on individual rights and personal freedoms over authority.

I served 16 years contributing to the defence of Canada, 3 years as a staff officer at NDHQ. More than a few times, I attended meetings between us and other departments. Though thankfully in the minority, there are many "fools" who rise to very high positions in government agencies who, unchecked, would minimize the personal rights of all to make the enforcement goals of their respective operations easier to achieve. This includes DND.

I'm not "bagging" frontline officers, for whom I have high respect. For your enlightenment, why don't you ask a Member what he/she thinks of the Horsemen's current crop of senior management?

[Ogee]

I love the people who come on here and bag the police. What do you think they are doing? Building time? You people make me sick. Get a life or a hobby and let them do their jobs.

What do YOU think they are doing, laddie? I have a life as I am sure everyone on here who has written RCMP critical comments does. The RCMP are a complete disgrace to this country, they are incompetent, corrupt, and the largest criminal organization in this country. We are approaching the point where there is as much chance of one of us or our family being murdered by an RCMP officer with impunity as there is by a real criminal.

Your first job should be to get your head out of your ass, shower it off, and have a look around you. One of the first requirements of avoidance of a police state is that we constantly question the power we give police and refuse to allow them to take the slightest bit more. You criticize people who do that intelligently and reasonably. What have you contributed, you cockroach?

"I love people who come here..." "You people make me sick" "Get a life..." Up yours, you pathetic son of a bitch. If that's all you've got to gurgle out, STFU!

[Axial Flow]

OGEE did they arrest you for beating your sister... I mean your wife and now you can't get a restricted area pass and your pissed at them ?

[Chuck Ellsworth]

One of the first requirements of avoidance of a police state is that we constantly question the power we give police and refuse to allow them to take the slightest bit more. You criticize people who do that intelligently and reasonably. What have you contributed, you cockroach?

It is to late, the corruption at the top is so ingrained it can't be stopped.

Tower C in Ottawa is a perfect example of corrupt top officials who are above the law.

[linecrew]

My spin on this is that we don't live in the same level of fear and skepticism as our american counterparts do. Some refer to this as freedom...

What is "this" which you refer to? "Some refer" to what exactly "as freedom"?

If you blindly trust that the fools who run the RCMP, SISIS, TC, etc., want to give us anymore freedom than their "american counterparts," then check again.

I'll grant you that the current US administration sucks BIG, but, generally, American citizens enjoy more freedoms under their Constitution than do we smug little Canadians under our laws.

Check this for a history of RCMP scandals (and these are only the big ones):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandals_s ... g_the_RCMP

All I meant was that we are lucky to have just a single, lowly, piss-pot 210 buzzing around overhead rather than "Global Hawk, Predator, Pegasus, U-2, J-STAR, E-8C, and EP-3" military hardware wasting our tax $$$'s as they are in the states.

Didn't mean to open up your can of worms.....!

[Ogee]

OGEE did they arrest you for beating your sister... I mean your wife and now you can't get a restricted area pass and your pissed at them ?

No. You fucking halfwit. Did you respond to my post because you're a member of the force in Dog Poop, Saskatchewan?

[WJflyer]

My spin on this is that we don't live in the same level of fear and skepticism as our american counterparts do. Some refer to this as freedom...

What is "this" which you refer to? "Some refer" to what exactly "as freedom"?

If you blindly trust that the fools who run the RCMP, SISIS, TC, etc., want to give us anymore freedom than their "american counterparts," then check again.

I'll grant you that the current US administration sucks BIG, but, generally, American citizens enjoy more freedoms under their Constitution than do we smug little Canadians under our laws.

Check this for a history of RCMP scandals (and these are only the big ones):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandals_s ... g_the_RCMP

All I meant was that we are lucky to have just a single, lowly, piss-pot 210 buzzing around overhead rather than "Global Hawk, Predator, Pegasus, U-2, J-STAR, E-8C, and EP-3" military hardware wasting our tax $$$'s as they are in the states.

Didn't mean to open up your can of worms.....!

The American birds do a different job. You see, military surveillance and intelligence is a whole different ball game compared to law enforcement surveillance.

[WS739]

The RCMP are a complete disgrace to this country, they are incompetent, corrupt, and the largest criminal organization in this country. We are approaching the point where there is as much chance of one of us or our family being murdered by an RCMP officer with impunity as there is by a real criminal.

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First thats the second most stupid post I have ever read. You must be one of those guys who reads the paper and thinks he knows everything. You dont know squat.

You criticize people who do that intelligently and reasonably. What have you contributed, you cockroach?

Yah that shines intelligence. On a public aviation forum your spitting out your garbage.

If you have such a problem with the RCMP call up the HA, im sure they will keep you safe! SOAB

"I love people who come here..." "You people make me sick" "Get a life..." Up yours, you pathetic son of a bitch. If that's all you've got to gurgle out, STFU!

Very classy guy you are!

[Ogee]

Up yours, you authority loving spank me if I'm bad yahoo.

You made a crap post, you got your teeth punched in. That's the way life is if you want to post from Yahooville.

You aren't a classy guy. I think we all are getting that message loud and clear.

[the_professor]

I love the people who come on here and bag the police. What do you think they are doing? Building time? You people make me sick. Get a life or a hobby and let them do their jobs.

I'd love to see you spout that off when they're searching your house with an invalid warrant, or shooting you while your hands are in the air. Or maybe while they're tasering you because you don't speak the language.

Letting them "do their jobs" does not mean letting them break the law and not get called on it. Were you dropped on your head as a child?

[ch135146]

WS739 would be the type of individual Vladimir Lenin had in mind when he coined the term "useful idiots."

Waterloo Record, Editorial

They serve on the streets in the small communities across the country. They enforce the law when in a cruiser or on foot. In Ontario and Quebec, they focus on special areas of policing such as drug cases. On Parliament Hill, as every tourist in Ottawa knows, they stand in their bright red tunics, proudly representing all Canadians.

But, sadly, something is wrong with the institution to which these men and women belong: the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. Day after day, stories are slipping into newspapers and news- casts that suggest the RCMP has been infected by scandalous behaviour. In many cases, the allegations have come from credible sources: members or former members of the force.

How they must feel chagrined when they feel obliged to provide members of Parliament or newspaper reporters with information that is highly critical of the national police force.

The image of the RCMP as a well-run organization started to change last year when auditor general Sheila Fraser reported millions of dollars in inappropriate charges to the RCMP’s pension and insurance plans.

Several Mounties have already appeared before a Commons committee to provide startling testimony. Who could forget the testimony of Ron Lewis, a retired RCMP staff sergeant? He accused the force’s former chief, Giuliano Zaccardelli, of lying.

The police force has also come under strong criticism for its handling of the Maher Arar torture case and the investigation of the bombing of an Air India plane that had departed from Canada.

More recently, a Toronto lawyer has said he has the names of half a dozen current or former Mounties who are prepared to reveal further problems about the police force if they are asked to speak to a parliamentary committee. The allegations include the suggestion that senior officers misused their investigative powers.

Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day has asked David Brown, a lawyer and former head of the Ontario Securities Commission, to look into the alleged financial abuses, but that’s not good enough.

So far Day has declined to call a public inquiry. Day has argued that an inquiry would take too long and be too costly. He has also pointed out that the government is about to appoint a new commissioner of the police force.

It would be nice to think that a new commissioner could correct all the problems that have arisen, but that would probably be naive. The problems are deep. They aren’t likely to go away when a new person takes over or because the Conservatives have taken over from the Liberals in Ottawa. Day should think most about those decent, hard-working members of the RCMP. They deserve to belong to an organization that lives by the rules it enforces.

He should establish a full inquiry into the Mounties’ problems.

[xsbank]

Ogee, your post(s) are offensive. Perhaps give some thought to editing them.

[Dust Devil]

It seems that I enjoy more freedoms here in Afghanistan, than you do at home. No wonder why I get reverse home sick when I go home in Canada.

I suppose anarchy could be confused with freedom. Just keep in mind they are two different things. I'd prefer to keep your brand of freedom in Afghanistan

[Fresh Prince of King Air]

I peeked inside of the thing when it was in London. I figured it was a dope plane. He had a set of gyro stabilized bino's on board.

[FamilyGuy]

RCMP spy plane?

If you're not breaking the law who the @#$! cares if the RCMP or any police force have a plane with lots of sophisiticed gear on board?????????????????????????

I say good on them - keep up the marginally good work. Catch all the drug dealing scum you can incarcerate.....

Police state??? Very foolish to think that our RCMP could muster that kind of concerted effort against average Canadians... honestly...this isn't the US of Eh. Mooops