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[Cat Driver]

Thanks for your defense of free speech on Avcanada Rocky.

When I decided to post in my real name here on Avcanada it was to be held accountable for anything I posted about some of TCCA's top management, who you will note I name.

So far nothing I have posted about TCCA's top management has been contested by them.

The rest of this stuff is just day to day back and forth by mostly people who post and do so from anonymity, which is their choice.

So quite frankly this gunning from the dark is just that.

. E.

[Rockie]

If that's your definition of an unacceptable personal attack STL then you had better ban half the users on this forum including me, Cat, Hedley, xsbank, fogghorn, the_professor, Doc and LOTS of others I can't recall off the top of my head.

. admirably posts under his own name so the "naming names" rule does not apply here, and in your own words you let this continue for your own amusement. "Otherwise, I'm quite enjoying this... Can't wait for I Hate . to post again, this is a real page turner" If you're going to quote ethics and decorum you can't be choosy about what you will tolerate and from whom. Ban him or don't, but be consistent.

[Rockie]

By the way Cat, I greatly respect you for not hiding behind a false handle.

[sky's the limit]

By the way Cat, I greatly respect you for not hiding behind a false handle.

Jesus Rockie,

What's got your Goat today?

If you're unable to see where this type of thread can go, I worry about you. Joe gets all kinds of emails from companies and individuals asking things be removed, for all kinds of reasons. In case you haven't noticed, this is still here, and if you read my original posts, I think it's pretty apparent I had no real intentions of removing it. It was a veiled threat to Cat Hater or whatever his name is to keep things clean(ish).

Nice job on the hijack though.


stl

[Cat Driver]

Rocky, by allowing this thread to proceed it will give us a better understanding of the quality of the product that comes out of these colleges.

If the poster that started this will come back and continue to express his/her position and do so with enough factual points to win his her position then we will have had an educational discussion....

......otherwise I just can not see his/her colleagues being proud of the college approach to learning to be a pilot.

[Pavese]

I drop in on various forums, each one has it's own subtle flavor and this one is no exception. I DO like the Canadian perspective and it's interesting to see that the demographic generally appears to be working pilots vs recreational, a bit more real world. You can see from my post total here I do more lurking than posting but today I'm inspired to toss in my 2 cents worth.

While I'm not deeply involved in the discussions, I see that Mr. . has a definite perspective WRT TC & perhaps a few other issues and I can't imagine that it has come for no reason. Of course there are at least 2 sides to the story and as a bystander, most in attendance don't see the whole picture. I can also see how someone uninformed of the background would see the discussion as a bit strong but that's like barging into a conversation in progress (in person).

Anyhow, for me personally, the true nugget of gold I have taken from this thread so far is the visual picture painted by Cat Driver on the flare/touchdown. That was "more clear" than my instructor painted and I consider her to be pretty darn good. Too bad (for me) she was fortunate enough to move on to a flying career with our federal government.

Anyhow, finally getting to the point Mr. E., (. if I may...)

I am willing to keep answering any and all questions about how I teach height and speed judgment, all I wish to do is make flying safer and easier for those who fly for the love of it.

Would you be willing to say a few words about getting your head & hands & feet around cross wind landings? I think I know the theory, bank into the cross wind, correct yaw with rudder etc. but putting the big picture together hasn't clicked yet. Oh, I'm at about 18 hrs & solo'd.

Tks

D <--- My std forum sig, real world = Dave

[Cat Driver]

Would you be willing to say a few words about getting your head & hands & feet around cross wind landings? I think I know the theory, bank into the cross wind, correct yaw with rudder etc.

It would be a pleasure.

Please give me some time to paint the picture in words so the picture is not blurred.

I see that Mr. . has a definite perspective WRT TC & perhaps a few other issues and I can't imagine that it has come for no reason. Of course there are at least 2 sides to the story

Actually there are three sides to my story regarding wrongdoing by several of TCCA's top management.

(1) Mine.

(2) TCCA's top management.

(3) The results of the Director General, Transport Canada's inquest into all the issues.

The ruling was in my favor on all counts......

[L1011]

Rocky, by allowing this thread to proceed it will give us a better understanding of the quality of the product that comes out of these colleges.

If the poster that started this will come back and continue to express his/her position and do so with enough factual points to win his her position then we will have had an educational discussion....

......otherwise I just can not see his/her colleagues being proud of the college approach to learning to be a pilot.

Okay, you do realize that you have COMPLETELY proven the original poster's point, right? Pretty much every post you've made since you talked about flaring has been something negative about those who choose to learn to fly through the university/college route.

Where someone learns how to fly does not dictate what kind of pilot they will become. A college/university can produce one very skilled pilot and a complete dumbass within the same graduating class, as can an FTU. It all comes down to the individual (determination, natural ability) and who ends up as their instructor (actually cares, or just here to earn a pay check).

Lastly, there is nowhere in that original post that says point blank I GO TO A COLLEGE/UNIVERSITY. Or, "College Top Gun" as you like to call them.

L1011

PS - I do not consider myself as "all-knowing," as this post may have given that impression. I have made observations and expressed my opinion. And no, I was not the thread starter

[Cat Driver]

Would you be willing to say a few words about getting your head & hands & feet around cross wind landings? I think I know the theory, bank into the cross wind, correct yaw with rudder etc. but putting the big picture together hasn't clicked yet. Oh, I'm at about 18 hrs & solo'd.

Tks

How to perform stress free X/wind landings.

Next to not fully understanding the effect of controls and being able to change or maintain the aircraft attitudes accurately, the inability to perform a stress free X/wind landing is a real problem with a lot of PPL license holders and sometimes Commercial as well.

So lets step back and look at this in its most basic context.

A X/wind landing only differs from a normal landing in that unless you use the flight controls to stop sideways drift it will contact the runway moving sideways in direct relation to the speed of the wind across the runway.

In normal three axis control aircraft there are only two ways to correct this side ways drift.

(1) By using the crabbing method which is the easiest method up until the moment of runway contact.

(2) By using the side slip method which requires slightly more finess with the flight controls.

Each method has it’s plus and minus points depending on the type of aircraft being flown and which method you wish to use during any one landing, all that is left now is getting comfortable with controlling the aircraft so as to track down the center line and touch down with zero sideways drift with the airplane pointed parallel to the center line of the runway.

My suggestion would be to spend enough time practicing controlling the airplane in a X/wind at low altitude until you can do it without any stress or thought into what your hands and feet are doing….that is simply projecting the flight path ahead of the airplane and directing it in said path.

Rather than do touch and goes you need to fly the runway length at around 25 feet to give yourself a safety margin in case the thing touches the runway pointed it the wrong direction.

It is quite often possible to do these low fly bys on runways that have sufficient X/wind component to make you work keeping it flying down the center line.

The most important thing to remember is having the most accurate picture of the airplanes flight path down the runway and being able to detect any change as it occurs.

To best see this picture we once again come back to “ The point of no apparent movement down the runway “

That is the secret to getting an accurate picture…look to close in towards the airplanes nose and the picture is blurred….look to far into the distance and small changes in height above the runway can not be seen.

I have to go now but if anyone wants to ask any questions or don’t quite understand what I am explaining feel free to ask and I will try and help you out.

[Cat Driver]

L1011, I was addressing this part of his post:

"This forum has been developed to discuss flight instruction/University and College programs" What current and relevant information do you have for the 100's of students reading this forum......very little, if any.

And this:

I would be entertained for you to educate yourself about the current College and University programs in Canada and what they have to offer and provide.

[TiredofCat.com]

Now, we're talking Cat...thanks for the positive posts and useful advice.

Everyone gets so heated up when someone steps on Cats toes in this forum......I was just tired of reading so much crap and decided to say something.

Everyone complains about the negativity in this forum, so I tried to do something to make it more positive. You Cat are one person who can motivate people to being more positive on here, but when the majority of your posts are negative everyone else seems to follow suit.

I really enjoyed your posts about your training techniques......why not just post stuff like that and forget about all the other negative crap, it really draws away from the person I bet you are and your only hurting the image of yourself. I retract my statement that your training is BS...that was the case of beer talking. LOL. And if the Mods think they know who I am thats great, I've done nothing wrong and am not embarassed by anything I've said..... I haven't posted on here in about a year, read a bit though. I'm not a college/university punk either and I'm sure there are 100's of other young guys that have read a lot of Cats stuff and thought exactly what I typed....fact is I had enough beer and typed it lol, nothing was inappropriate. I didn't say I hate you Cat or that I think you should go jump off the face of the earth.....I was just tired of so much negativity.

Anyways, the beers gone, no hard feelings, didn't mean to get everyone so worked up.

[Cat Driver]

I retract my statement that your training is BS...that was the case of beer talking.

If that is the worst thing you do when you are drinking you are living a boring life....I got shot once when I was drunk.

And if the Mods think they know who I am thats great,

I bet the mods will move on beyond that crisis on this forum.

No hard feelings, take care and safe flying and other activities.

P.S. :

I take it you won't be needing that sign in name anymore?

[L1011]

L1011, I was addressing this part of his post:

"This forum has been developed to discuss flight instruction/University and College programs" What current and relevant information do you have for the 100's of students reading this forum......very little, if any.

And this:

I would be entertained for you to educate yourself about the current College and University programs in Canada and what they have to offer and provide.

I understand that, but "flight instruction/University and College programs" encompasses all methods of learning to fly, and by students, it means all student pilots.

The second quote does lean more towards the culprit learning to fly at a post-secondary institution, and the grammatical error is amusing. But I still get the sense that you are assuming this person goes to a post-secondary institution because of your pre-existing negative view of student pilots who choose such a path. For example, your belief that a college student/graduate cannot handle a 5 knot crosswind.

L1011

PS - I just read toc.com's most recent post..."I'm not a college/university punk either..." And there you have it. As they say, "when you assume..."

[Cat Driver]

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[Cat Driver]

For example, your belief that a college student/graduate cannot handle a 5 knot crosswind.

It is my understanding that one of Canada's biggest colleges has that as a X/wind limit for students.....but I've been wrong before.

But I still get the sense that you are assuming this person goes to a post-secondary institution because of your pre-existing negative view of student pilots who choose such a path.

You assume to much.

[L1011]

It is my understanding that one of Canada's biggest colleges has that as a X/wind limit for students.....but I've been wrong before.

That college has a x-wind limit for pre-PPL students on a solo flight due to an accident several years ago. After that, they are checked out for a greater limit after proving it in front of an instructor. And of course, there is no limit on dual flights.

You assume to much.

Fair enough. But can you see how I can form such an opinion after reading a few of your posts? Good to know that I am wrong.

L1011

PS - I hope you are enjoying Greece. I miss living in the Mediterranean so much!

[Cat Driver]

That college has a x-wind limit for pre-PPL students on a solo flight due to an accident several years ago. After that, they are checked out for a greater limit after proving it in front of an instructor. And of course, there is no limit on dual flights.

Are you saying that their PPL students are not allowed to fly solo if thre is a X/wind over 5 knots until they receive their PPL?

[L1011]

Are you saying that their PPL students are not allowed to fly solo if thre is a X/wind over 5 knots until they receive their PPL?

That is unfortunately correct. I believe it was the insurance company's decision, not that of the college. If that accident never happened, this probably would not be the case. I am curious to see what the operational changes will be with Moncton after their recent accident. It's tough, but with insurance companies these days, what can you do?

[Cat Driver]

That is unfortunately correct.

Have they made sure TC adds this restriction to their new PPL to make sure they do not fly in violation of their new license?

Just imagine if they received their new PPL and went to another school and rented an airplane and wrecked it in a 15 knot X/wind. Who would be to blame, the PPL for flying beyond their skill level, the school who dummed them down to such a low level..TC for not putting a X/wind restriction on the license??

I believe it was the insurance company's decision, not that of the college.

I have been working with the insurance underwriters for some years and, yes I have seen restrictions put on the insurance policy but they are rare, in the case I speak of it was a restriction put there by me and agreed to by the insurance underwriters....however the restriction was not that limiting.

If that accident never happened, this probably would not be the case.

How many other schools have such restrictions?....5 knots is not even a wind in the grand scheme of things.

but with insurance companies these days, what can you do?

One would think that if one college has this restriction all of them would, do they?

If not why not?

[sky's the limit]

Now isn't this refreshing, a good old fashion argument, almost confused it for a 'love-in' reading the last few posts.


TiredofCat.com,

I really don't care who you are, and your subsequent posts have given me no reason to either. Hopefully something good and constructive can come out of all this.

Hey Cat, when you're done with the x-wind thing, I'm just going over hydraulic failures in the 212, any thoughts???

stl

[Cat Driver]

Hey Cat, when you're done with the x-wind thing, I'm just going over hydraulic failures in the 212, any thoughts???

Unfortunately no, never even sat in one let alone flew one, closest I thing I have flown was the 204, but that was many moons ago.

[sky's the limit]

Hey Cat, when you're done with the x-wind thing, I'm just going over hydraulic failures in the 212, any thoughts???

Unfortunately no, never even sat in one let alone flew one, closest I thing I have flown was the 204, but that was many moons ago.

204, 212... Same same but different. What's 4 more seats, one more engine, one more hydrualic system, and a bunch of other switches who's function can't be fully verified??? LOL

I think L1011 has a good point about painting all College or FTU grads with the same brush. There are good ones and bad ones in each, but the good ones will almost always find a way to be better in the long run. Unfortunately, it's not them I'm worried about, it's the middle of the road crew who need better guidence.

stl

[trey kule]

Wow...so it is possible to land a plane in more than a 5 kt. crosswind.

Next you guys will be telling me it can be done sober!!!

Those were nice posts cat. The original post seemed to have some positive results that I am sure many ultimately enjoyed.

Although,I gotta say, I dont know how TC can keep anyone who passes the written and flight test from being issued an instructor's rating....I think we have a Charter that precludes them from denying employment.
I ran into this bullying many years ago in a different aspect. they can be taken to task for it.

[Pavese]

Wow...so it is possible to land a plane in more than a 5 kt. crosswind.

Next you guys will be telling me it can be done sober!!!

LOL!

Those were nice posts cat. The original post seemed to have some positive results that I am sure many ultimately enjoyed.

Agreed. I hope Cat Driver shares more of his wisdom on the art of aircraft handling. I think it's the first time I've seen a clear description of techniques that'll tell you what it looks like as you do it right.

Cheers,

D

[L1011]

Have they made sure TC adds this restriction to their new PPL to make sure they do not fly in violation of their new license?

Just imagine if they received their new PPL and went to another school and rented an airplane and wrecked it in a 15 knot X/wind. Who would be to blame, the PPL for flying beyond their skill level, the school who dummed them down to such a low level..TC for not putting a X/wind restriction on the license??

I think that solo flying in crosswinds greater than 5 knots would be very beneficial, but just to play devil's advocate, if you never saw a, say, 10 knot crosswind in your solo flying at a different FTU, should there be a restriction on your PPL? Let's say you never saw 10 knots of crosswind even with an instructor on board? What then? What if you never flew in visibility less than 6 miles, or never saw a runway less than 4000 feet long? Does this mean you cannot fly when the TAF says less than P6SM? Or you plan on flying to an airport with a 2000 foot runway in your 150, but because you never saw it in your PPL training and it is therefore noted as a restriction on your licence, you can't go?

I have been working with the insurance underwriters for some years and, yes I have seen restrictions put on the insurance policy but they are rare, in the case I speak of it was a restriction put there by me and agreed to by the insurance underwriters....however the restriction was not that limiting.

I know nothing about insurance, so I'll take your word. What's your stance on float schools that have limiting insurance when it comes to renting the aircraft solo after issuing a student a float rating after 5 solo take offs and landings....HAHA, kidding, I don't wanna go down that path again (For those who don't know what I'm talking about, search "The Value of Solo Flying", good thread)

How many other schools have such restrictions?....5 knots is not even a wind in the grand scheme of things.

I don't know much about the operations of the other colleges that operate their own fleet. And yes, it's not a lot.

One would think that if one college has this restriction all of them would, do they?

If not why not?

If another college repeated the same accident, then maybe they would have the same restriction. Maybe they should take the same stance in order to be proactive rather than reactive. An example would be that one college has a restriction on spinning an aircraft solo, not because they spun an aircraft into the ground themselves, but because another college had such an accident.

L1011