Would you leave Canada to Live in Indonesia or not?

[sky's the limit]

Not a chance in hell. I don't care what they paid.
But I wouldn't leave Canada for any country.
OK to visit but thats it.

That's the spirit....

Nothing like narrow mindedness to keep you warm at night...

Go, go, go.... Good or bad, you won't regret it in the long term.

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[Chuck Ellsworth]

I am shocked to see half the votes are not to leave Canada.

What is wrong with this group?

[sky's the limit]

I am shocked to see half the votes are not to leave Canada.

What is wrong with this group?

I've been asking myself that very question for years... Some of the things I read on here simply baffle me, 50% of the responses to this poll being one of them.

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[Chuck Ellsworth]

I am really losing faith in this business, it is no wonder the industry is becoming the slave market of the 21St. Century in this country.

Can you in your wildest drug induced dreams imagine pilots who won't leave home STL?

[sky's the limit]

You haven't read the fine print at the flight schools recently ., "$100k/yr at 500hrs, HOME EVERY NIGHT, and no effort required...."

I know, I know, there are a few who aren't subscribing to that, but are there ever a lot who do.


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[Wacko]

It's not so much the move as the destination.

[THEICEMAN]

Agreed .!
There is nothing wrong with leaving home for a bit! My best experiences are from traveling the world & making many close friends around he globe.
I would love to spend a couple of years working in South Asia!

I have around 530TT and 48 Multi & flying around 60 hours a month. Anybody have any suggestions on where to apply in South Asia?

[Cat Driver]

Iceman, the way to get to fly overseas is to just start applying and keep at it....sometimes actually going over will luck you in to a job.

I would like to take one more kick at the cat so to speak and go to Sierra Leone dressed in a priest or ministers garb and buy some diamonds to smuggle into Europe and sell to give me more mad money for my retirement....I have real expensive habits.

[sky's the limit]

have real expensive habits.

Don't worry Cat, penicillin is cheap....


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[Cat Driver]

Don't worry Cat, penicillin is cheap....

Yeh, but unfortunately with the new strains of sport diseases in todays world penicillin is useless.

[north son]

Sex in Africa is like bungee jumping. If the rubber breaks... you die.

[Wacko]

Sex in Africa is like bungee jumping. If the rubber breaks... you die.

Yes because everyone if Africa has AIDS... we should just quarantine the continent, let them all die out and we won't need cures for HIV anymore. What a concept!

[bmc]

I'm amazed at the number of people against a move and I'm curious to know the reasons. Is it concern of maintenance of aircraft? Living conditions? Security? Fear of the unknown?

Living abroad is NOT for everybody. It's one thing to think about far away places. It's another to visit far away places. And it's an entirely different thing to pack up and move to another country. It really isn't for everyone.

That being said, I have yet to meet fellow Canadians abroad that regretted their decision to leave Canada for a taste of something different. I think the bigger issues for Canadians living abroad is when do you go back to Canada.

Since we left Canada, we know of several friends that left Canada that are still abroad. There are lots of us around the world.

[Chuck Ellsworth]

Wacko, are you aware of the percentage of AIDS infection in many African countries?

Are you aware that it is very difficult to stop the spread of AIDS in African countries because of the fact there are so many who are not even literate?

[husky]

I don't know about other people who voted no, but I voted no because the airline industry in Indonesia doesn't seem to have the best safety record, from anecdotal evidence I might add.

Safety should always be a high priority for yourself, whether it be security, maintenance or having to fly with egotistical sociopathic captains.

Be safe out there, and make wise choices.

[Wacko]

Never mind.. I just edited this post... but yes... I am very aware of HIV in Africa. I'm also aware that unless you're trying to get some from the natives you're unlikely to get exposed to HIV.

[Chuck Ellsworth]

.. So you believe "Sex in Africa is like bungee jumping. If the rubber breaks... you die."

It was north son who made that comment...not me.

The only reason you would go abroad is to get laid?

Where did I indicate that?

Are you aware that you need to exchange bodily fluid in order to catch HIV? This means that unless an HIV positive person spits blood in your eyes it is unlikely that you'll catch HIV.

Hmmm, no I was not aware of that.

I thought that having sex with an AIDS infected person was taking a very dangerous risk of becoming infected yourself.....now I find out someone has to spit blood in your eye to contract it.

I am really pissed off with the doctor we had with us during the flying we did with TF1 television in Africa who told us that there was a real danger of having sex with any African in the countries we were working in. Now I find out that was just fear mongering...thanks Wacko for setting all that strait for me.

I actually don't even understand where your comment comes from.

Which comment?..... I make so many.

Do you believe we should quarantine Africa?

Not all of Africa, however there are quite a few countries with areas that it might not be a bad idea.

What do you think?

[BoostedNihilist]

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[Cat Driver]

Boosted, of all the places on earth I have flown Africa is by far the most interesting.

I have done thirteen different trips to Africa and flown in around twenty five countries there.

Africa has to be experienced to even come close to understanding how vast and diverse the continent truly is.

There is everything from the beautiful to the truly horrific.

Sadly AIDS is decimating many of the countries and there is no way to stop it.

[sky's the limit]

Sadly AIDS is decimating many of the countries and there is no way to stop it.

Actually...

We could start by offing the F'in Pope and start telling people they WON'T burn in hell for eternity for using a condom..... Just a thought.


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[Wacko]

Ok ok ok ... this is going way off topic now anyway but...

... I know who made what comments, I can read. What I am saying is that you can go to much ANY African country and as long as you keep your nose clean you'll be alright.

I agree with BoostedNihilist that exotic is/can be attractive. I don't like the idea that many young North American males feel that they need to conquer a continent/country but sleeping with the local women... which is how I interpreted north son's comment. I have seen this much too often in Asia.

Anyway... I'm done with this.. if you have any more comments for me ., just pm me.

[Fr8 dawg]

[Chuck Ellsworth]

No need for me to PM you Wacko now that you have explained what I should do if I go to Africa.

... I know who made what comments, I can read. What I am saying is that you can go to much ANY African country and as long as you keep your nose clean you'll be alright.

Thanks for that good advice.

[Expat]

I'm amazed at the number of people against a move and I'm curious to know the reasons.

I think the bigger issues for Canadians living abroad is when do you go back to Canada.
Since we left Canada, we know of several friends that left Canada that are still abroad. There are lots of us around the world.

You are quite right about coming back to Canada. You get really spoiled overseas, especially in some countries. After three and half years here in Afghanistan, I really do not want to go back to Canada.
First of all, I cannot make that dough home. (>12k/month tax free)
Moreover, I got used to the personal freedoms that do not exist any more in Canada. Like driving any speed you want, while sipping a beer, smoking anywhere you want, even in the airport terminals, buying booze anywhere, anytime, cheap.
Going to Canada for holidays is such a nightmare, that I keep it to the minimum, and try to meet the family in sunnier destinations.
My feeling in this thread is that people who would not take a jog overseas, are the ones who did not travel, have their head in the sand, and believe that Canada is still the best place in the world. Once you have been out of the country long enough, you stop to care about local news, and become a real expat.
I just wish I could bring my Cessna here...

[carholme]

Wacko said it right, it is not leaving home, it is the destination. The post below was taken from Pprune and there is a wealth of information there about Indonesian operations.

Travel, sure but at least be informed about where you are going. We have seen enough accidents from this area and you can read about them at Pprune as well.




The future of the Indonesian Aviation System – Arising from the Ashes?

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I would like to thank PK-KAR for his many postings and sharing insight about the current situation in Indonesia with the readers of this forum – terima kasih.

It is with a strong sense of disappointment that I have been watching the ongoing meltdown of the Indonesian aviation system. Politicians and local “experts” seem only to attend to the symptoms and fail to address the root cause for the ongoing challenges in the Indonesian aviation system.

De facto, all Indonesian airlines, airports and air navigation services providers have been forced in a “self-regulating mode” due to the inability of the Directorate General of Civil Aviation to meet its international obligations in terms of safety oversight and implementation of international standards and are therefore only in part to blame for the deficiencies in the system. The Department of Transportation's three categories of “safety ratings” (Cat I meets all DGCA safety requirements, Cat II indicates an intent to meet safety requirements and Cat III is given 3 months to address safety concerns) for Indonesian airlines is an example of DGCA’s inability to take firm action - an airline either complies with the safety requirements of the DGCA or it does not!

At the Strategic Aviation Safety Summit in Bali in July 2007, the President of the Council of the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) concluded that there was an urgent need to implement a concrete, realistic and achievable plan of action and the Indonesian government committed itself, inter alia, to improve the safety of its aviation safety system by implementing a safety programme in accordance with the new provisions of ICAO Annexes 6, 11 and 14. In addition, the government also committed to the implementation of safety management systems by airport operators, airlines and air navigation services providers.

Soon it will be a year since the Strategic Aviation Safety Summit and the expectations of the international community, set by the “positive” outcome of the Strategic Aviation Safety Summit, have so far failed to materialize and progress has been marginal when compared to what is still outstanding in the context of the “Bali Declaration”. It remains therefore to be seen if the Directorate General of Civil Aviation, by itself, is able to demonstrate that it takes safety matters serious or if the “plan of action” will end up somewhere on a shelf in Jakarta gathering dust.

In this forum there has been widespread criticism and bashing of the Indonesian aviation system. It is about time we start discussing an action plan of what is required to bring the Indonesian aviation system back on track. To start this thread, I have outlined below some suggestions that may contribute to a constructive discussion on the future of the Indonesian Aviation System;


1. Indonesia finally needs to demonstrate the political will, leadership and the ability to manage the challenges in its aviation system to the international community;

2. The President is to appoint a fully independent and “clean” Executive with the sole mission to urgently restructure the Indonesian Aviation System including the Directorate General of Civil Aviation. This Executive will report to the President directly and will have the power to act at her/his own discretion albeit with support and advice from ICAO experts and the Air Safety unit of the EU Directorate-General for Energy and Transport;

3. Indonesia has to implement a safety programme before the end of 2008;

4. Indonesia has to implement Safety Management Systems at all its airlines, service providers, certified airports and air navigation services providers as soon as practicable;

5. Indonesia has to develop a Strategic Plan for Civil Aviation comprised of the following components;
(a) Oversight of the aviation system;
(b) Safety policy, rulemaking, and agreements;
(c) Education, promotion, and evaluation;
(d) Qualification of aeronautical products, individuals, and organizations;
(e) Leadership and the ability to manage.


More could obviously be done, but that would be a good start for the future of aviation safety in Indonesia.