RCMP use taser on HANDCUFFED 135lb 15 year old
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Chuck Ellsworth
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Re: RCMP use taser on HANDCUFFED 135lb 15 year old
How dangerous do you think that senior citizen was sitting in his car in Kelowna Wilbur?
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After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
Re: RCMP use taser on HANDCUFFED 135lb 15 year old
I don't know ., I wasn't there. But I would sure have my guard up after the guy stepped on the gas and took off. Why would he do that? This case was hashed over thoroughly before, just remember, it's alway nice to be able to view a situation after all the facts are known, but a cop on the street doesn't get that benefit. They have to make split second decisions with the benefit of nothing more than their training, experience, and the bit of information they have. Honestly ask yourself what you would think if you were in that cop's shoes. You approach a guy for a simple traffic violation and he hits the gas and takes off. Who do you think, in that cops experience, runs from the police? Old guys out for drives with their wives, or criminals with a reason to run from the law? Why would anyone right in the head, or honest, do that? They wouldn't, and didn't in this case. The guys wife stated in a TV news interview that the guy had problems with mental functioning that made him prone to impulisivity and irrational behaviour.
Police and others in law enforcement are covered by the same WCB regs as everyone else, and they have an obligation to protect themselves from harm, not take unreasonable risks, and to be supplied with and use all practicable means to keep themselves safe. They are not obligated to get kicked in the head, have a stapler thrown at them, etc to avoid subjecting a crook to a few seconds discomfort from a taser.
Police and others in law enforcement are covered by the same WCB regs as everyone else, and they have an obligation to protect themselves from harm, not take unreasonable risks, and to be supplied with and use all practicable means to keep themselves safe. They are not obligated to get kicked in the head, have a stapler thrown at them, etc to avoid subjecting a crook to a few seconds discomfort from a taser.
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Dust Devil
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Re: RCMP use taser on HANDCUFFED 135lb 15 year old
It's very simple. Don't be a douchbag and you will never be tasered by the cops. Ever!
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Re: RCMP use taser on HANDCUFFED 135lb 15 year old
Wilbur, are you now saying that a 135lb 15 year old in the back of a police car is an exceptional case?Wilbur wrote:It would be a very exceptional case where use of a taser could be justified on a handcuffed suspect. If this article is accurate and these cops worked in my organization, they would be serving 30-60 days suspensions without pay if it's their first incident of excessive force. If they had a prior, they would be fired. In either case, the matter would be submitted to crown for consideration of criminal assault charges.
Re: RCMP use taser on HANDCUFFED 135lb 15 year old
My all time favorite is BC transit police tasering non violent people for not paying fares.
I believe the figure was 15 people in the last 18 months, of which only 3 tried to run away and the rest were just standing there.
I believe the figure was 15 people in the last 18 months, of which only 3 tried to run away and the rest were just standing there.
Re: RCMP use taser on HANDCUFFED 135lb 15 year old
I have no way of knowing if this case involving the 15 year old is exceptional or not. Maybe the cops actions were justified, and maybe they weren't. I just said what my organization would do if the level of force used was not justifiable in the circumstances.
As for tasering non-violent people, how do you define violent or non-violent. Those terms aren't normally used in law enforcement because they are too subjective and mislead people. The actions of suspects are normally described in terms of their level of resistance. Passive, active, assaultive, etc. If the police have the legal right to arrest you, they can use whatever level of force they reasonably need to use to overcome your resistence and effect the arrest. If you are placed under arrest and then pull away and attempt to flee, they should taser or pepper spray you before attempting some sort of take down on you. Just because you weren't "violent" doesn't mean they have to just let you run away, nor does it mean they should subject you and themselves to the increased risk of harm that comes from engaging in physcial control techniques. Your agreement, permission, or voluntary cooperation are appreciated, but not required when being arrested. However, no matter how minor your initial crime or violation, you always have the ability to escalate the situation into something far mor serious by running or resisting. That simple point seems to escape a lot of people these days, and they get a big surprise and their knickers in a knot when they get a face full of OC or a couple of taser darts stuck in their hide.
It's really quite simple to avoid being tasered by the transit police when you haven't paid your fare; take your ticket, go your merry way, and either pay it or fight it in court. Or, you can tell the cop to pound it, refuse to produce ID, try walking or running away, flop around on the ground with either 50K volts contorting your body or pepper sauce burning your eyes and nose, be handcuffed, arrested and charged for obstruction. It doesn't strike me as a particularily difficult decision to get right.
As for tasering non-violent people, how do you define violent or non-violent. Those terms aren't normally used in law enforcement because they are too subjective and mislead people. The actions of suspects are normally described in terms of their level of resistance. Passive, active, assaultive, etc. If the police have the legal right to arrest you, they can use whatever level of force they reasonably need to use to overcome your resistence and effect the arrest. If you are placed under arrest and then pull away and attempt to flee, they should taser or pepper spray you before attempting some sort of take down on you. Just because you weren't "violent" doesn't mean they have to just let you run away, nor does it mean they should subject you and themselves to the increased risk of harm that comes from engaging in physcial control techniques. Your agreement, permission, or voluntary cooperation are appreciated, but not required when being arrested. However, no matter how minor your initial crime or violation, you always have the ability to escalate the situation into something far mor serious by running or resisting. That simple point seems to escape a lot of people these days, and they get a big surprise and their knickers in a knot when they get a face full of OC or a couple of taser darts stuck in their hide.
It's really quite simple to avoid being tasered by the transit police when you haven't paid your fare; take your ticket, go your merry way, and either pay it or fight it in court. Or, you can tell the cop to pound it, refuse to produce ID, try walking or running away, flop around on the ground with either 50K volts contorting your body or pepper sauce burning your eyes and nose, be handcuffed, arrested and charged for obstruction. It doesn't strike me as a particularily difficult decision to get right.
