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Re: Azimuth Aviation Systems

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Yeah CID what exactly do you doubt? That youll ever touch a woman? Well I can tell you I fully agree with you there. Anyways you would probably know what to do with her as you would an an aircraft, am I right? And if you dare question the quality of my work or the legality you had better come out and say it and if you cant back it up I would prefer you shut your mouth. Don't worry Transport doesn't need your help. If you refer to my second post I think I told you any work will be signed off by someone with the proper authority.
Let me educate you a little azimuthaviation.

I asked a very simple question and you have failed to answer it. I didn't ask whether or not you'd have an AME sign off your work, I simply asked if you had a license. Cat driver is convinced that since you call yourself a “technician” that means you must be licensed. There’s no basis for that assumption but I did ask if you were at least a member of ASET, the Association of Science and Engineering Technology of Alberta who certifies technicians and technologists in Alberta. Again, there was no response to that question.

As far as “backing up” what I say, I say about "legality" or "quality" of your work, remember, I didn't question either. I merely asked you some questions about your qualifications. You've done much more to cause people to question the legality and quality of your work than I have.
BTW when someone gets work done at an avionics shop, dont expect an AME to be doing it. Chances are an apprentice just out of school will be working on your aircraft and signed out by an AME. Now I dont think theres anything unsafe or unproffesional about that. Not too many people are going to school for two years and four years of apprenticeship in order to spend the rest of their career working at a shop for whatever wage they get in order to meet the requirements of people like CID.
Let me educate you some more. Work on avionics equipment is specialized work and isn’t signed off by an AME. It’s signed off by someone with a shop certification authority or “SCA” in an approved shop. That’s why I asked you if you had an SCA. An AME license is associated with an Aircraft Certification Authority or an “ACA”.
573.05 Qualifications for Signing a Maintenance Release
Information Note:
An AME licence does not automatically qualify an individual to sign a maintenance release under an AMO authority. The authority for a person to sign a release within the AMO's jurisdiction shall be separately granted by the AMO, in acordance with section 573.07 of the CARs, following specific training in regards to AMO procedures and other regulatory training.
(1) Pursuant to section 573. 05 of the CARs, an AMO shall issue an authorization to those individuals who will sign a maintenance release in respect of work performed on an aircraft.
Information Notes:
(i) This type of authorization is commonly known as an Aircraft Certification Authority (ACA). An ACA also permits the certification of work that is performed off the aircraft, provided it is not prohibited in the MPM. This work is only appropriate under an ACA where it is performed on products that are, by type design, eligible for installation on the aircraft or system for which the AME licence, forming the basis of the ACA, is rated.
(ii) "Eligible" does not necessarily mean that the part is intended to be installed on an aircraft for which the AME licence is rated; the part may be eligible, by type design, to be installed in several aircraft types. Provided the part is eligible for installation in the type for which the AME licence has been rated, the work can be performed even though the part may actually be installed on an aircraft for which the AME licence has not been rated.
(2) An AMO authorizes a person, that is not the holder of an AME licence issued pursuant to Subpart 403 of the CARs, to sign a maintenance release, in accordance with paragraph 571.11(2)(c) of the CARs, in respect of work performed on parts intended for installation on an aircraft, by means of a Shop Certification Authority (SCA). Prior to the issuance of an SCA, the AMO shall ensure that the person understands his/her responsibilities in accordance with the applicable regulations, and has demonstrated levels of knowledge and experience that meet the applicable requirements of CAR 573.05, in respect of the work certified. These levels of knowledge and experience can be determined as follows:
(amended 2002/03/01; previous version)
(a) by diploma or certificate from a course in an appropriate field or by an attestation that the person has been working in the field, under the supervision of an ACA or SCA holder for a period of not less than:
(i) in the case of engine or propeller overhauls, 1800 hours; and
(ii) in all other cases, including the repair of engine modules, 300 hours.
(3) Prior to issuing an authorization in respect of the evaluation of undocumented aircraft parts, the AMO shall ensure that the person has been exercising the privileges of an appropriate ACA or SCA for a period of not less than 5 years, and has successfully completed an approved course of training on the applicable process outlined in Standard 571, Appendix H.
(amended 2002/03/01; previous version)
Information Note:
The five year experience requirement mentioned in (3) does not necessarily represent the experience gained within a single AMO, but can be the cumulative pertinent experience gained within a number of AMOs.
(amended 2002/03/01; previous version)
(4) Performance of specific NDT tasks can be authorized by AMOs not holding an NDT category provided that the tasks are performed as set out in Appendix K to Standard 571.
(5) ACA or SCA authorizations are indicated in a document issued to each individual concerned; the identity of each person shall also be established in the records required by section 573.07 of the CARs. In the case of an SCA, the records shall include details in respect of (2)(a) above.
You might also what to read up on CAR 571.

My original question in this post was legit and I posed it because I may have had some business to push your way. Before I recommend anybody, I'd like to fully understand a person's capabilities and credentials. You've chosen to interpret my questions as hostile and provided very suspicious replies.

Based on your responses azimuthaviation, (and in spite of the grumbling from the usual morons) I certainly will not recommend your services to anyone I know. twotter, Cat Driver, feel free.

Cheers.


And you wonder why people don't like you. You are the first to complain about anyone saying anything bad about you but this is how you choose to reply..
twotter, what does it matter? Like I told Cat Driver once, it doesn't matter if I'm polite and civilized or rude and crude to you or him. You still attack me just as much and just as vile. The moderators haven't shown a desire to respond to your statements or Cat Drivers threats in the past. So I figured what the hell? You might say that I learned from you. When I reply to you I just think "what would twotter do?" It's a compliment really. Isn't imitation the sincerest form of flattery? If I hurt your feelings, let me apologize. You're not a piece of dog shit. When I scrape dog shit off my shoe the smell goes away. Your stench just lingers forever.
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Re: Azimuth Aviation Systems

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Excuse me? You want to educate me? Exactly who the hell do you think you are? Are you a teacher? An auditor? I think the smart ass tag is really starting to stick. In Lebanon we have a word for people like you but theres no English equivelent, ya hashour. But I guess we'll stick to smart ass, though obviously not so smart. Ill also add to that a few other words, im sure you can imagine some of them.

So did you not understand me when I said transport doesnt need your help? Why are you posting CAR's regs? Do you think I dont know who can sign what off? Why do you feel you need to educate me? You think I need a favor from you? Or you want to show off your ability to cut and paste CAR's regs. Is anyone impressed by that?

Oh and please keep your "customers" you were going to send my way. First I doubt a guy like you has a lot of friends and second even if you did if they were anything like you Id probably throw them out on the ramp the second they started asking me stupid questions and making outrageous suggestions.
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Re: Azimuth Aviation Systems

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Excuse me? You want to educate me?
Yes. Based on your comments, you really don't know what you're talking about.
First I doubt a guy like you has a lot of friends and second even if you did if they were anything like you Id probably throw them out on the ramp the second they started asking me stupid questions and making outrageous suggestions.
So if a potential customer asked if you had a license, you'd throw them "out on the ramp"? I wonder what legitimate avionics maintainers in Edmonton think of your "freelance" offerings. You know. The guys who have to jump through all sorts of hoops to get licenses or authorized.

So azimuth aviation systems won't take me on as a customer! Kater khayr alla!
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Re: Azimuth Aviation Systems

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I asked a very simple question and you have failed to answer it.
ah, the irony of it all ... the internet coward, who refuses to answer
any questions about his qualifications here, is asking that question
of others! :wink:

Just ignore CID. He continually attacks me, but refuses to back
up his anonymous internet aggression by acting in the real world.

There's a marvellous quote from a "Tale of Two Cities" which I
swear must have been written about CID:
it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing
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Re: Azimuth Aviation Systems

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Im sure you believe youre bringing up some good observations. You may even think you are telling me something I dont know. You may think I am not aware of CAR's or maybe that youre the only person who is. But let me assure you everything you know I know, and so do a lot of other people. Do you wonder why youre the only person who asked those questions? Were you the only person who thought of them? Maybe no one else knows what ASET is? I definitely dont know what an SCA is though right?

Do you actually work in this industry? If you did I think you would give a bit more credit to your colleagues. And if you do work in this industry, then remember those who live in glass houses shouldnt throw stones...
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Don't worry Azimuth, it's for the better. We for the most part ignore CID.

Like his comments about SCAs being full of half-truths. Any Avionics AMO appropriately rated with AME-E licensed technicians holding ACAs can do Specialized Avionics work. An SCA only comes into place for specialized component overhaul shops where the employees are only working on specific components and don't posses AME licenses.

And what does ASET have to do with AMEs? Yeah they're a nice 'society' but legally and practically impotent other than to say 'this guy does good work'. TC does all of the certification.
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Re: Azimuth Aviation Systems

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ah, the irony of it all ... the internet coward, who refuses to answer
any questions about his qualifications here, is asking that question
of others!
The difference here Hedley (which is blatently obvious) is that I'm not soliciting business. Mr. azimuthaviation is. Don't you consider that an important distinction? An opinion (me) versus a solicitation (azimuthaviation)?
Just ignore CID. He continually attacks me, but refuses to back
up his anonymous internet aggression by acting in the real world.
You mean your bizarre demand that I take an internet discussion to TC enforcement?
Im sure you believe youre bringing up some good observations. You may even think you are telling me something I dont know. You may think I am not aware of CAR's or maybe that youre the only person who is. But let me assure you everything you know I know, and so do a lot of other people. Do you wonder why youre the only person who asked those questions? Were you the only person who thought of them? Maybe no one else knows what ASET is? I definitely dont know what an SCA is though right?
azimuthaviation, the original question was simply, do you have any of those qualifications. Not whether or not you understand what they are. It was only in later discussion I realized that perhaps you didn't know what they were.
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You mean your bizarre demand that I take an internet discussion to TC enforcement?
You continally attack me personally, indulging in character assassination.

You repeatedly accuse me of being a "careless and reckless" pilot
and mechanic, despite my perfect safety record of over 30 years.

So yes, you internet coward, put your money where your mouth
is, and report me to Enforcement. Let's go to the Tribunal, where
you can testify as a self-proclaimed expert witness on every
possible topic, from touching up paint to air-swinging compasses.

Or simply shut up, because you're an internet coward and blowhard
that refuses to stand behind his words.

Unlike ., me, twotter, etc. etc.
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Don't worry Azimuth, it's for the better. We for the most part ignore CID.

Like his comments about SCAs being full of half-truths. Any Avionics AMO appropriately rated with AME-E licensed technicians holding ACAs can do Specialized Avionics work. An SCA only comes into place for specialized component overhaul shops where the employees are only working on specific components and don't posses AME licenses.

And what does ASET have to do with AMEs? Yeah they're a nice 'society' but legally and practically impotent other than to say 'this guy does good work'. TC does all of the certification.
iflyforpie,

My comment wasn't a "half-truth". Read it again.

ASET isn't just a "nice society". When someone calls themselves a "technician" in Alberta, they must either be a member of ASET unless they are under the responsibility of another governing body. Since our friend here doesn't seem to be an AME or an avionics technician under an SCA issued by an AMO, I figured he might be using the term under the ASET umbrella.
You repeatedly accuse me of being a "careless and reckless" pilot
and mechanic, despite my perfect safety record of over 30 years.
Repeatedly? Don't you mean "once"?
Let's go to the Tribunal, where
you can testify as a self-proclaimed expert witness on every
possible topic, from touching up paint to air-swinging compasses.
Yep, using incompatible solvents when touching up paint, using non-standard and incorrect methods to swing compasses and (in this current case) having an unlicensed guy running around Edmonton undercutting legitimate shops for "a fraction" of the cost. Yep, I'm just a bad ass Mofo.
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simply shut up, because you're an internet coward and blowhard
that refuses to stand behind his words.
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Again, with the "I know things that you don't". That you think Im not aware of these acronyms you list makes me wonder whats wrong with you... "Are you a member of ASET?? I know what ASET is!! Do you know what asset is??" You sound like a child. And did you notice NOBODY seems to be agreeing with you?? Is that because youre smarter than everyone else in the industry?
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Is that because youre smarter than everyone else in the industry?
It's sure starting to look that way. Fortunately, the AvCanada regulars represent only a small percentage of people in the Canadian aviation industry.
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simply shut up, because you're an internet coward and blowhard
that refuses to stand behind his words.
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Well we heard it here first. CID (what is that some kind of disorder?) is smarter than us all. But somehow he still has no better place to express it but here... I guess nobody can afford him so he gives it to us for free, lucky us. I wonder if he even has a day job...
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CID wrote:
Is that because youre smarter than everyone else in the industry?
It's sure starting to look that way.
OR, you are just so stupid that you believe your excess stupidity has caused you to wrap around to the intelligent side of the bell curve.
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OR, you are just so stupid that you believe your excess stupidity has caused you to wrap around to the intelligent side of the bell curve.
beautiful, that one is going in the lexicon
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Every village has its idiot, CID is Avcanada's idiot.

Hey CID when did I threaten you?

And what exactly did I threaten to do to you?
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CID is Avcanada's idiot
I think of CID as Avcanada's herpes. Disappears sometimes,
but never goes away permanently, and no one is happy when
it comes back :wink:
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OH, OH we seem to be missing some posts.
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Its really too bad when you cannot even ask a simple question on here without being edited. I guess it must have touched an nerve for some people. Maybe they didn't want me to use that shop..
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twotter wrote:Maybe they didn't want me to use that shop..
I guess that's the only explanation.
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OMG I take back anything I said to anybody else pickin on CID. PHAWK it's open season now. Are there any moderators here or WTF.
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phred, CID is a comment magnet.

He just has that ability to get these responses. :mrgreen:
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Did I miss something?
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Funny how these posts seem to degenerate the same way so often. The big difference in this particular post is that between all the drama and bullshit, nothing useful has been resolved.

It's a shame really. I wonder how long Cat Driver and twotter (and their ilk) will continue to be able to do whatever they wish on this forum without fear of any meaningful sanctions.

It's too bad really. This forum has the potential to be a real place of learning. Instead it's just like an inner city neighborhood with a gang of undesirables breaking the rules and using intimidation to control. The moderators seem either powerless or apathetic and just like many inner city sidewalks, thier are plenty of pieces of dog shit.
Did I miss something?
Yah, but nothing much more than you can see in any Kindergarten class. At least Kindergarten classes that admit 70 year olds.
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