Flight level 23oh!

[Flying Nutcracker]

Hey look a frican elephant!

Most priceless comment of the day! ROFL don't know why...

[Cat Driver]

Still just my pet peeve for the day

You'll be O.K. all you need is some rest after all that hands and feet flying without an autopilot son.....just imagine the hero you can be at the local airport happy hour impressing some young frail with those manly stories of actually hand flying an airplane.....why you will be swamped with free tail.....hmmmm well maybe you will be to tired to perform if you just landed.

[flying4dollars]

It wasn't just jazz, it's a whole bunch of pilots. It isn't a one time instance, it's every day.

A tamato and a tamayto are both red fruit
oh and 0 are about as similar as helicopter pilots and aeroplane pilots
Ever hear ATC say oh??
Oh, and I have to fly a machine at flight levels with only 2 hands and 2 feet, no autopilot.
There is a difference between pronounciation (lingo) and interpretation (letters vs numbers)
When it comes to trying to understand what some controllers say in some parts of this planet is akin to trying to understand the thought processes of some posters on AvCanada.

Still just my pet peeve for the day

ever hear ATC say "what the frick is two three oh? PLEASE ACKNOWLEDGE FL TWO THREE ZERO!!!!"

yes there is a diff. between pronunciation and interpretation. i dont think its hard to figure out what "fl two three oh" means..correct or not.

now saying "okay up to two hundred 30 jazz 211" will be a bit of a problem

[Lost Lake]

Hey Cat, I get to read your pissing and moaning once in awhile. So suck it up. And o yah, I've been around a while too. Maybe not as long as you. I haven't gone crusty and senile yet.

Gee, if no one writes anything on AvCanada, where would it be. Maybe we should only write about TC for your benefit. Had enough of trying to be a contibutor. You can kiss my ass while you're trying to impress all the young guys with your sage sarcasm. Your not the only guy in the world whose has more than a few thousand hours and some good experience that could be shared with the newbies.

Get a life!!

Goodbye AvCanada. I'll just sit back and watch as posters like you slowly poison what could have been a fun and informative site.

[Cat Driver]

Lost Lake, you obviously didn't read the comments as they were meant.....I put smiles after them which obviously meant I was poking fun and figured you would take it that way....

When you post stuff that looks like you were just venting you should expect people to have some fun with it. How was I supposed to know you were serious about something so unimportant?

I haven't gone crusty and senile yet.

Neither have I, don't you like my sense of humor with this one?

STL, you gotta drop by one of these days.....I'm working on a FMS with a real neat multi color touch screen for helicopter long lining and heli logging.

It is powered by the glow of the pilots gold stripes shining on the screen.

Flying as an occupation is just another job that any normal member of society can learn.

[Flying Nutcracker]

I think Lost Lake could use a couple of 10 degree driftlines to see that there will always be room for improvement, AND, that nit picking peoples noses won't help...

Awww, yes I almost forgot... There, that was supposed to be sarcasm in case some didn't get it!

[cjet]

say oh in Mexico or the Caribbean and they don't understand.

Cjet

[Lloyd Christmas]

say oh in Mexico or the Caribbean and they don't understand.

Cjet

Acutally they do understand, it just has to be preceeded by Jose Cuerv(Oh), then its clear as mud. And could someone please get Lost lake a box of tissues, I think he's had a rough day.

Lloyd

[Lost Lake]

Some of the posts I put up have been to "stir the pot". Some have been put up as humour. Some to try and be informative or pass on some of my "little knowledge".

Almost every post gets hijacked with some asshole trying to be a smartass (as opposed to humurous). You are either a pilot who knows more than me, or you'r one who thinks he knows more. So either way, I can't pass anything on.

To be 100% honest, I really couldn't give a rats ass how anyone talks to ATC. It Just so long as ATC knows where they are and where I am. I was just trying to see what other pilots think about the misuse of proper english. Ain't goner get no friggin chance now, lol!!

I'm off to a new adventure in flying. Enjoy your AvCanada. I'll sit back and watch both experts (those that do know and those that think they know) pick at each other.

To those of you who don't stoop to the bickering , i.e. JC, Suldako, Widow and like company, keep up the good work!!

GOOD BYE

[Rockie]

I guess I'll wade in here.

I don't lose sleep over somebody saying things wrong over the radio. But when I hear someone say "Flight Level two three zero", it isn't at all noteworthy because it was said the way it's supposed to be and it appears to me as if the guy knows what he's doing. Just what you would expect.

When I hear someone say "Flight Level two three oh", I think either that guy doesn't know how to speak on the radio, or he doesn't care enough to do it properly. Then the standards guy in me wonders what else he's not doing properly.

But like I said, I don't lose sleep over it.

[Siddley Hawker]

Lol, JAA would eat you alive if you said 23 OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH MY GODD, AHH OHHH AHH ... seriously. Especially in the UK.

Yeah but in North America if you said you were at flight level niner zero, they'd probably think you were gay or something.

[matt foley]

You accept sub standard you should expect sub standard. It's not "oh" it's zero and that has been a standard in debrief after line checks witch I have been doing for years. Yes, some of us do have YEARS of experience as well.

[rd1331]

Radio calls are horrible....

FL 29oh!
Looking for lower (put head to left or right....slightly look down...there it is)
Ready for Take-off (Its "Ready for Departure" not ready for Take-off)

As people said there are other things to worry about more, no doubt, but after that is all done we as professionals should attempt to keep high standards within our industry. There is standard phraseology, try to use it, or try to learn it, no one is perfect but its like the plague out there, its like no one even cares that they don't use standard phraseology. Its the unwillingness to learn or want to even try to learn proper phraseology that gets me going.

[flying4dollars]

Radio calls are horrible....

FL 29oh!
Looking for lower (put head to left or right....slightly look down...there it is)
Ready for Take-off (Its "Ready for Departure" not ready for Take-off)

As people said there are other things to worry about more, no doubt, but after that is all done we as professionals should attempt to keep high standards within our industry. There is standard phraseology, try to use it, or try to learn it, no one is perfect but its like the plague out there, its like no one even cares that they don't use standard phraseology. Its the unwillingness to learn or want to even try to learn proper phraseology that gets me going.

Just because one uses oh instead of zero, it by no means they are 1) being lazy 2) an f/o 3) unprofessional 4) unwilling to learn

Is the radio call clear? Yes. Does it relay the point? Yes. Is there ever any ambiguity and confusion between ATC and crews when "two three oh" is stated instead of "two three zero" ? No.

Don't see how this relates to laziness or unprofessionalism. sorry not buying it.

[Rudderless]

I don't get the problem...called iat 230 going out , and 220 coming back (23 "oh" and 22 "oh") - it was not an issue. who cares? It's like - level at 2,500 feet vs I'm level at 2.5. Who gives a rat's ass as long as everyone gets it?

[Anti-Ice]

I used to here this guy correcting people on the air, everytime he heard someone say "oh" instead of "zero" what a joke that was with the majority of pilots I knew and worked with

I pride myself on proper phraseology, and yet I prefer to use "oh" vs. "zero" It is quicker, allowing for better communication on busy frequencies. Has nothing to do with laziness or incompetence. But there is definately a line between sloppy radio work and professional radio work. Although, from reading other posts on here I think I'm going to try and break that habit, as I didn't realize in other 'non english' places people wouldn't understand the "Oh"

Now lets go get a "two-FOWer" LOL

[flyincanuck]

Don't take life so seriously...it eventually ends.

Ever hear ATC say oh??

Yup (yes).

Oh, and I have to fly a machine at flight levels with only 2 hands and 2 feet, no autopilot.

+2

Still just my pet peeve for the day

To each there own. If it bothers you, it bothers you. My pet peeve is "XYZ squak ident", to which the pilot replies "here's the flash". For real? You actually flashed someone?

[Bleed Air]

Used to say "oh" when I flew in Canada and the States, and used to say other things slang on the radio.
Then started working overseas and nobody understood me, and realized my RT was crap.
"oh" is fine if you stay in N.Am but venture outside to the rest of the world and you'd better get your RT up to scratch, so the earlier and more standard you are from the start (old dog new tricks, bad habits hard to break)the easier things will be when you have a Russian, Asian, European controller asking you to constantly "say again", beacuase some of them don't speak a lick of English except for stanard RT, so anything other than standart RT and you've lost them. Saying things correctly once is shorter than having to say the same thing twice because you weren't standard, and even if you know what you mean, and so does the controller, that Korean crew who just flew 13 hours and is right behind you might not have a clue what you meant.
By the way the rest of the world looks at North Americans (mainly yanks) as having the worst RT, and I'm told this everytime I'm checked on the line and Sim, by a non North American, before I even open my mouth on the radio. "You North American's and your sloppy RT". Guess it could be because we aren't taught it properly from the get go, got a heart beat and can press a PTT then here's you Restricted Radio Telephoney thinging-ma-bob. Rest of the world has to study the RT manula and write extensive exams.
Just think of it this way you saying "oh" on the radio is like starting to spell favour, labour, with just an or at the end. Now there would be an uproar about that not being right.
I'm tired now

[Hoov]

Used to say "oh" when I flew in Canada and the States, and used to say other things slang on the radio.
Then started working overseas and nobody understood me, and realized my RT was crap.
"oh" is fine if you stay in N.Am but venture outside to the rest of the world and you'd better get your RT up to scratch, so the earlier and more standard you are from the start (old dog new tricks, bad habits hard to break)the easier things will be when you have a Russian, Asian, European controller asking you to constantly "say again", beacuase some of them don't speak a lick of English except for stanard RT, so anything other than standart RT and you've lost them. Saying things correctly once is shorter than having to say the same thing twice because you weren't standard, and even if you know what you mean, and so does the controller, that Korean crew who just flew 13 hours and is right behind you might not have a clue what you meant.
By the way the rest of the world looks at North Americans (mainly yanks) as having the worst RT, and I'm told this everytime I'm checked on the line and Sim, by a non North American, before I even open my mouth on the radio. "You North American's and your sloppy RT". Guess it could be because we aren't taught it properly from the get go, got a heart beat and can press a PTT then here's you Restricted Radio Telephoney thinging-ma-bob. Rest of the world has to study the RT manula and write extensive exams.
Just think of it this way you saying "oh" on the radio is like starting to spell favour, labour, with just an or at the end. Now there would be an uproar about that not being right.
I'm tired now

Its amazing how we haven't all run into each other with such confusion

[Liquid Charlie]

It's similar to people calling level at fl 060 -- instead of 60 -- but then again one can call levels 3-80 -- 3 hundred -- as they do in Europe -- lets face it -- it's all about style -- haha

[sky's the limit]

STL, you gotta drop by one of these days.....I'm working on a FMS with a real neat multi color touch screen for helicopter long lining and heli logging.

It is powered by the glow of the pilots gold stripes shining on the screen.

Sounds like a great idea Cat,


But getting a long line pilot to wear bars??? That's where you're going to run into issues! As for the logging side, if you can get it powered by ego, you might be onto something...!

I might try to pop in next weekend, could be driving up your way from Vic, I'll let you know.


stl

[trey kule]

I am 100% with rockie on this one. If you cant get your radio work correct, what else are you doing wrong?

And as one other poster put it...if you accept sub standard , you will get substandard..let me add a corrollary
If you accpt in your self subsatndard, you will become substandard.

For years and years I have checked out pilots.. there is a co-relation between sloppy radio work and general flying ability.

It might be something for those who think "so what?" to give some thought about.

[Right Seat Captain]

Its amazing how we haven't all run into each other with such confusion

Actually, it's happened. I'm not claiming to be the perfect radio operator, but the use of slang has in the past created assumptions being made by the receiver of the message causing confusion and loss of situational awareness as a result. Classic example is the use of "for"/"four" and "to"/"two", such as
"cleared to four hundred feet" and "Cleared two four hundred feet".

Okay sure, saying "23 - oh" instead of "23 zero" over Edmonton won't cause a mid-air, but it things people say like "as long as the point gets across" that scare me...who are you to decide how the receiver of the message will get the point? Sticking to proper terminology that we all know and understand keeps us all on the same page.

[2milefinal]

...right then, there is another 5 min. down the drain.

[Flying Nutcracker]

So explain to me how they can do multilingual stuff in let's sat CYUL and get away with it??? I've never felt as lost as when everybody around me speaks a different language. I am not about to learn french, just to be clear on that!