Plane from Toronto college lands on New York interstate

[swede]

Im surprised homeland security didnt gun em all down right on the stop as suspect binladen teurorists, I also wonder if they had all their papers in proper order. If not they're probably enroute to syria.

[costermonger]

Good on these guys for getting it down safely in an area that likely doesn't have too many options.

Oh yes........a highway makes a great landing strip! I did this exact thing many years ago on the Conestoga Parkway in Waterloo. We "teach" students to land in "fields", but when traffic permits....ROADS ROCK!!

Which part of the parkway? Everytime I drive on (or fly over) the section between Bridgeport & University I can't help but think it's about as close to a runway as you're going to find anywhere in the city.

[swede]

sorry, lost my head there for a second

[Wingman]

Hey,

I heard it was a connecting rod that let go. Just rumor though.

Clunker, you sound like a bitter old man, try to have a little bit of class?

That was a great job.

[xsbank]

Raven and Wingman, or

[Cat Driver]

O.K. Clunk asked me to comment so I will.

Looking at the picture and the highway behind them there is no doubt they did a good job flying the airplane and coming to a stop with no damage to the occupants or the airplane on the highway.

Where these discussions go awry is all of us have this " need to know " urge in us every time we read about one of these incidents.

The subject always breaks down into two camps, those who wonder what happened because we learn from each and every incident such as this one, on the other side are the emotionally driven individuals who jump in already in the full defense mode to defend those involved even though no one really knows what exactly led to these incidents.

The system is geared to the lawyer mentality where everyone is scared shitless of being caught in a situation where some asshole can sue you for any perceived damage....real or not....because a lawyer is in the business of making money regardless of right or wrong.

Therefore the system goes into a black hole with the main agenda being hide the facts regardless of what really caused the incident and off the file goes to wherever never to be seen again by the general aviation population.

So every time something like this happens everyone wonders what really happened......and there can be as many reasons as there are incidents.

Clunker, you sound like a bitter old man, try to have a little bit of class?

Conversely wingman, maybe you should have just a little bit of respect for those who have forgotten more than most of you collectively know.

Wingman, I am one of the most senior pilots on avcanada and one of the highest time as well, I know Clunkdriver and have the utmost respect for his background and would cut off one of my nuts to have had the training he had and to have flown some of the airplanes he has.

[. .]

Raven, I would sugest you contain your horseshit untill all the facts are in,having spent many hours line indocing all sorts of pilots from all kinds of backgrounds I find you remarks to be totally self serving and biased, the best kid I ever had on a line indoc at Big Red had a grade six education and flew fish in a B18, he finished up at the very top of flight opps management, in the mean time you might like to reflect that every day kids pull of far more difficult landings than this as just a routine part of their day, they call them "Float Pilots", and "Northern Pilots" And "Off Strip Pilots",but there are no newspapers where they fly. Your turn Cat!

How bitter. You couldn't just say well done guys?

[N2]

Yes they did a good job, however just because they are from a certain college doesn't make them "super pilots". I know a lot of people from this place and some are mediocre when it comes to throwing something at them outside of the box.

A well trained pilot is just that, no matter where they got their training.

[Doc]

I think we should leave the "Seneca" connection out of the equation for a moment. They had something go wrong with their Bonanza, and they dealt with it. Professionally. Successfully. I don't really care what caused it (dip stick left out, or catastrophic crankcase failure, matters not) they did a good job.

[. .]

Wingman, I am one of the most senior pilots on avcanada and one of the highest time as well

Could you possibly be more narcissistic?

[Doc]

Geeeeze endless, do you have a thesaurus beside your computer?

He's just saying, he's really old and tired.

[. .]

Maybe he was saying his the most old and most tired?

[L1011]

A well trained pilot is just that, no matter where they got their training.

Very well said!

[Cat Driver]

Cat Driver wrote:

Wingman, I am one of the most senior pilots on avcanada and one of the highest time as well

Endless wrote:

Could you possibly be more narcissistic?

Endless you obviously are just too dense to understand the message that I was attempting to get across....

....so let me explain it in a manner that even you may be able to grasp.

By pointing out that I am one of the most senior people here at Avcanada who has been around aviation all my life it should get the message across when I explained that I hold Clunkdriver in high regard and envy his background and knowledge.....narcissistic has nothing to do with it as I was merely pointing out a fact.

....the message was directed at a poster who in my opinion was showing disrespect for his elders....

....someone just like you endless an immature wannabe pilot who is a real big blow hard hiding behind a computer screen, however if you really do have some background and flying ability that would set you apart form the regular group lets hear about it.

By the way, maybe someday you may get to the point where Clunk and I are......maybe.

[. .]

I think you hit the nail on the head cat. I don't believe I have anything that sets me apart from the rest. I'm just another guy that shows up to work every morning and does the best job they know how. I don't believe for a second that my experience, what company I work for, what school I went to, or what planes I fly, or have flown should define me. You on the other hand seem to believe that you can talk down to other people on a continual basis. You seem to believe that respect should be given to you, without you giving any to anyone else.

[niss]

Moderator Vs. The Elderly! Oh Nos!

[AUGER9]

Moderator Vs. The Elderly! Oh Nos!

I love it.

Not only do the mods let these threads develop into mindless arguments, but they involve themselves in it. Priceless.

[Cat Driver]

You seem to believe that respect should be given to you, without you giving any to anyone else.

Endless the last thing on earth that I need is respect from anonymous posters on Avcanada, conversely when I see disrespect shown to others I have no problem giving my opinion as to how I feel about it.

If someone wishes to disagree with my position that is fair game.....but I do believe that calling me narcissitic should at least give me the right to explain what I meant in my post.

[xsbank]

It is a revelation to hear these squabbles (especially as I side with Cat and Clunk and think Endless, is, well, endless) as they are so diametrically opposite to the way I was brought up. 'Junior' pilots usually listened at the knees of the 'senior' guys because they would learn useful stuff that might keep them alive longer and learn how to make it into those difficult spots that they would otherwise not get into and lose the revenue. Or damage the aircraft. Or hurt/scare the passengers. Or, I am sorry to say, kill themselves.

Doesn't carry over to real life, does it?

Now that all licensed pilots seem to think they have nothing more to learn, were born with all-knowing magical insight into the aviation world, don't need to listen to anyone with more time than themselves and never read the accident reports; there is absolutely no restraint to be rude to our elders.

I bow down to you Aviation Gods, oh Glorious Endless, you of the Supreme Knowledge who have nothing more to learn. Or share, for that matter, judging by what you write on here.

[iflyforpie]

Good job.

Any pilot who can put down a crippled plane off strip without bending tin is good in my books.

[Cat Driver]

Xsbank there is absolutely no doubt that many in today's generation have no respect for their elders and their contempt for same is very obvious.

When my generation were learning how to become the best we could be as pilots if we were to have shown such contempt for the older generations our chances of ever becoming successful in the flying game was slim to none as we would have been unemployable.....but I guess in today's world these unfortunates are so self centered they probably believe it does not matter how they act.

However their pay scales reflect what they are worth....the only other comment I can think of is a lot of them are still paid way more than they are worth.

[Doc]

Children! Play nice with the other (older, and younger) pilots. And, now back to our regularly scheduled program....

[The Raven]

Wow!!! Some of the old guys (Cat, clunkdriver) really need to get a life.

This whole thread creep eminated from my comment on page 1 that "I would be happy to have a college grad as my First Officer any day". Note that I did not malign anyone who received their training privately or through the military. In fact I have flown with excellent pilots who did not go the college route. So clunkdriver attempts to take me to task because I praised college graduates. Somehow he feels this was a slight towards him and others like him.

And then Cat rushes to clunkdrivers defense and attempts to belittle the younger generation of pilots in a most unprofessional manner.

So Cat and clunkdriver, I too am an old fart. While maybe not quite as old as the two of you, I have been had my license for 37 years. In that 37 years I have accumulated close to 30,000 hours.

When I was a First Officer I would drive home at the end of a flight and sometimes think, "That Captain I just flew with was a really good pilot. I learned a lot from him. When I become a Captain I want to incorporate some of the things I learned from him into my flight deck". Other times I would drive home at the end of a flight thinking, "That Captain I just flew with was a real jerk. While he could fly the airplane ok, he was condescending and didn't instill a good feeling in the cockpit. When I become a Captain, I don't want to be anything like him".

Cat and clunkdriver, which category of Captain do you fall under?

Anyway, back to the topic of the thread.....Nice landing boys!!!!

The Raven


Addendum: Now that I am a Captain, at the end of a flight I often think, "That First Officer (or Relief Pilot) was really sharp. He taught me a few things I didn't know. I will have to incorporate them into my next flight".

[Doc]

Raven, I guess the point should be, no matter how many hours we have, or how old we are, there is something to be learned from every one of us. I'm a low time young guy, compared to you and Cat....but this landing should serve as a learning experience for all. It will be interesting to learn the cause. Perhaps that too, will serve as a learning tool. Don't they look all warm and fuzzy in their nice black pilot pants and white shirts.......That's a JOKE son!

[xsbank]

Just a sort of a propos comment - how do college guys get to fly a Bonanza? I thought I was in heaven flying a 1956 172 with a 6 and manual flaps. I'd STILL like to fly one like the one they just landed! School airplane???

"Fork-tailed Doctor-killer"