Another fine example of police taking care of their own

[Topspin]

I have numerous friends amongst the DPD. Hell my best friend is a member. Good, solid and fair group of men and women in my opinion. I know quite a few RCMP as well and as of late, I can't say them same for all of them.

Some stories from growing up in Tsawwassen, admittedly we weren't the best of teenagers but....

Hanging out at a friends house, about 10 of us. We were loud but not noise complaint loud. Sitting around watching a hockey game or something when they walk right in through the front door. My friend that lives there stands up to say WTH!? and promptly gets thrown through the 52" projection TV.

At a house party in Ladner, we were being hooligans here. They were fairly reasonable as we were dispersing, but I saw a guy start to get loud. They approached rapidly, and he shut up just as rapidly. He put his hands in the air and said something like, "OK, I'm leaving." Another officer approached from behind and placed his right hand behind his left shoulder via the behind the back route. This separated the shoulder and broke the collarbone. They also decided to drive him around in the back of the cruiser for no less than 2 hours in this state.

The school liaison at my high school was a known womanizer and drunk. Very few of friends mothers had not been approached/abused at the local pub. It got to the point of one friends mother, he approached her and placed his hands directly down her shirt in the middle of the pub.

A friend was riding a bicycle home drunk, and went to cross the road. He was hit by a fellow drunk driving a truck. Drunk driver was released, and my friend was cited for operating a bicycle while drunk. I know he was definitely at fault for being drunk in the road, but......

All of the local drug dealers are known, and have been for years. Cops do nothing, but being drunk in a park is a jailable offense. Admittedly I wasn't the best teenager, but was never punished for breaking the law in a serious manor. Yet being drunk outside at night landed me in jail no less than 4 times.

Pepper spray is used routinely & randomly. I could write a page about this.

I went to school with a guy, not really mentally stable, not crazy but not right. He somehow made his way onto the force. Not 1 month later I heard from a friends siblings about him pulling his gun on them on the side of the highway, he pulled them over for speeding.

I know a few members that are great respectable people, perhaps 5-6. My respect level for the force as a whole though, rests somewhere around -150%. I won't defend the RCMP, although personal experience with them has been perfect. I would love to see change in delta.

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Great post topspin...really well thought out and delivered.

Orion Hutchinson, is 21 year old. 21 years old! In my humble opinion, that's way to young for anyone 'young' adult to be a constable.

Constable is a word deriving from the Latin, "comes stabuli".

Definition:
"The purpose of the police is to maintain safety, security, peace and order in society. The police shall further this purpose by means of preven-tion, assistance and law enforcement."

Most 21 year olds I know don't have the slightest clue on how to manage their own lives. A Constable in my humble opinion is the hardest job on many levels and it is one I KNOW I could never do.

To place ALL that resposibility on a young adult shoulders may be more than their undeveloped and unmatured sense of conscience can handle at the tender age of 21!!! They simply have not developed the life skills and tools needed to being able to cope with the high stress demands of the job.

And those that seek out such programs will be viewed as 'pussies' and sensitive phaggots from within their own peer group of officers.

Thats brutal...and a jurassic old school way of thinking that has no room in our society. Especially when my property taxes are paying for these types of 'help' programs that are not being utilized enough to better and benefit those in need of some support and coping mechanisms.

Bumping up the age to 25 at least should be a starting point.

[Topspin]

Great post topspin...really well thought out and delivered.

Orion Hutchinson, is 21 year old. 21 years old! In my humble opinion, that's way to young for anyone 'young' adult to be a constable.

Constable is a word deriving from the Latin, "comes stabuli".

Definition:
"The purpose of the police is to maintain safety, security, peace and order in society. The police shall further this purpose by means of preven-tion, assistance and law enforcement."

Most 21 year olds I know don't have the slightest clue on how to manage their own lives. A Constable in my humble opinion is the hardest job on many levels and it is one I KNOW I could never do.

To place ALL that resposibility on a young adult shoulders may be more than their undeveloped and unmatured sense of conscience can handle at the tender age of 21!!! They simply have not developed the life skills and tools needed to being able to cope with the high stress demands of the job.

And those that seek out such programs will be viewed as 'pussies' and sensitive phaggots from within their own peer group of officers.

Thats brutal...and a jurassic old school way of thinking that has no room in our society. Especially when my property taxes are paying for these types of 'help' programs that are not being utilized enough to better and benefit those in need of some support and coping mechanisms.

Bumping up the age to 25 at least should be a starting point.

Hutchinson was the victim. The officer was Benjamin Monty Robinson.

[Wilbur]

Police don't charge in BC, crown counsel does. The process followed in this case is entirely normal. Arrested, blow, questioned, issued a PTA and released. Police will finish up their investigation and forward their report to crown who will decide what, if any, charges will be brought foward. Impaired driving does not have a very high conviction rate, so unless everything was done flawlessly and he was pissed out of his mind, there is a good chance crown will accept a plea to a lessor offence. That's a very common occurrence, and would not be indicative of speacial treatment. If convicted, the fact he is a police officer will increase the penalty the court would otherwise impose if the accused were an average citizen. As RCMP, he will no doubt also face a service court regardless of the outcome of the criminal process.

[Driving Rain]

After the TAZER episode this scum bag was pronounced fit for duty.

When a police officer is involved in a critical incident where someone dies, it can have very long-lasting effects on that person, but it affects everyone differently," Shields said in an interview.

"The final review is made by the RCMP's health services officer, and this particular RCMP member was deemed to be fit for duty after going through this process."

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columb ... named.html

So he can't use it as a reason for his drunk driving with his two kids in the car can he? I can't see a member of Canada's elite ARSE SEE EM PEE trading on a dead mans soul to get a lighter sentence or sympathy from the court. No that couldn't happen could it?

[Topspin]

Police don't charge in BC, crown counsel does. The process followed in this case is entirely normal. Arrested, blow, questioned, issued a PTA and released. Police will finish up their investigation and forward their report to crown who will decide what, if any, charges will be brought foward. Impaired driving does not have a very high conviction rate, so unless everything was done flawlessly and he was pissed out of his mind, there is a good chance crown will accept a plea to a lessor offence. That's a very common occurrence, and would not be indicative of speacial treatment. If convicted, the fact he is a police officer will increase the penalty the court would otherwise impose if the accused were an average citizen. As RCMP, he will no doubt also face a service court regardless of the outcome of the criminal process.

Impaired driving causing death though.....Would be indictable would it not?

[B-rad]

anyone who is drunk driving and kills someone as a result shoud loose thier licence for life and in this case his job aswell.

[Topspin]

anyone who is drunk driving and kills someone as a result shoud loose thier licence for life and in this case his job aswell.

I think that is something of an understatement.

[Guido]

How about if they're drunk driving and they don't kill anyone?
What's the sentence for attempted murder?

[North Shore]

Impaired driving does not have a very high conviction rate, so unless everything was done flawlessly and he was pissed out of his mind, there is a good chance crown will accept a plea to a lessor offence. That's a very common occurrence, and would not be indicative of speacial treatment. If convicted, the fact he is a police officer will increase the penalty the court would otherwise impose if the accused were an average citizen. As RCMP, he will no doubt also face a service court regardless of the outcome of the criminal process.

On Friday, I heard on CBC that the defence lawyer was already using the 'left the scene' bit as a conceivable defence: Hit the victim, panicked, left the scene, went home, drank half a bottle of Scotch to steady his nerves, and then returned to the scene. Breathalyzed then, and blew over because of the recent imbibing. Therefore, not drunk at the time, but drunk after..

'Course, they don't cover that at Depot

[Gipper]

On Friday, I heard on CBC that the defence lawyer was already using the 'left the scene' bit as a conceivable defence: Hit the victim, panicked, left the scene, went home, drank half a bottle of Scotch to steady his nerves, and then returned to the scene. Breathalyzed then, and blew over because of the recent imbibing. Therefore, not drunk at the time, but drunk after..

This is an affirmative defense thus requiring the accused to take the stand in his own defense. As this is Canada, he opens himself up to questioning on ANY aspect of the incident once he's up on the stand. If the Delta Police do a proper major-case style investigation regarding this incident they should be able to shut this defense down and get Crown solid evidence to refute it. In normal impaired investigations police don't have the time or resources to refute this defense, but in something this big money becomes no object and they can start writing search warrants and production orders all day.